Wellston drops Jackson starting in 2020

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So to prove my point, you should at Cincinnati LaSalle, Akron Hoban, Canal Winchester, Massillon Washington, or Winton Woods.

That should be your new opener. That's about the same disparity between Wellston and Jackson. Lets face it...Jackson doesnt play anyone besides DIVISION 5 Burg and Chillicothe and unfortunately they lose those games.

Chillicothe plays Teays Valley, Hartley, Marion Franklin, and scrimmages Burg. Jackson plays no one like that. They need to schedule some real competition and really try to grow their program so they can win some big games. The 8 wins they take so much pride in are all games they should win.


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ravensfan09 wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:14 pm So to prove my point, you should at Cincinnati LaSalle, Akron Hoban, Canal Winchester, Massillon Washington, or Winton Woods.

That should be your new opener. That's about the same disparity between Wellston and Jackson. Lets face it...Jackson doesnt play anyone besides DIVISION 5 Burg and Chillicothe and unfortunately they lose those games.

Chillicothe plays Teays Valley, Hartley, Marion Franklin, and scrimmages Burg. Jackson plays no one like that. They need to schedule some real competition and really try to grow their program so they can win some big games. The 8 wins they take so much pride in are all games they should win.
That’s fine, at least this post isn’t laden with exaggerations. Your “double the enrollment” comment was well off as well. You do realize that the equality of this rivalry sucked for decades before their was a big difference in enrollment.

I’m not sure I understand your problem with winning 80% of your games and going to the playoffs. The playoff point system calls for a schedule of enough difficulty to garnish enough points to make the postseason. I think Jackson ‘s schedule is pretty close. Wellston’s not quite as favorable but most of these recent years beating an Oak Hill or whoever instea of losing to Jackson wouldn’t get you to the playoffs either. Of course scheduling to reach the playoffs isn’t the end all in the SE District. Travel and gate are definitely weighted in there.


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Look Ironman92...I'm not from Wellston or Jackson, but I will say this, the "You do realize that the equality of this rivalry sucked for decades before their was a big difference in enrollment," comment is laughable.

You want to beat your chest about beating up on school half your size? Why don't you have a streak against the other D5 school on your schedule?

You made the statement that kids relish the opportunity to knock off the bigger schools and the tough teams. I agree with you 100 percent. My question is wht doesn't Jackson give their kids that opportunity?

As far as winning 8 games a year...thats great, but if you always play teams that are inferior what have you really accomplished? Yeah you won 8 games and that's great, but if your kids are never challenged because you won't play anybody I guarantee you you won't win in the playoffs. Playing your schedule and then playing a good D3 school will always set your kids up to fail.

I understand you play Wheelersburg and they are very good, but they have 200 boys and you have 305. If your program I'd elite in D3...you should at least be in the game, or win, against a D5.


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ravensfan09 wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:04 pm Look Ironman92...I'm not from Wellston or Jackson, but I will say this, the "You do realize that the equality of this rivalry sucked for decades before their was a big difference in enrollment," comment is laughable.

You want to beat your chest about beating up on school half your size? Why don't you have a streak against the other D5 school on your schedule?

You made the statement that kids relish the opportunity to knock off the bigger schools and the tough teams. I agree with you 100 percent. My question is wht doesn't Jackson give their kids that opportunity?

As far as winning 8 games a year...thats great, but if you always play teams that are inferior what have you really accomplished? Yeah you won 8 games and that's great, but if your kids are never challenged because you won't play anybody I guarantee you you won't win in the playoffs. Playing your schedule and then playing a good D3 school will always set your kids up to fail.

I understand you play Wheelersburg and they are very good, but they have 200 boys and you have 305. If your program I'd elite in D3...you should at least be in the game, or win, against a D5.
5 league games and 5 open. Of the 5 open I’d prefer 3 good teams and 2 should be wins. The years Jackson has won in the playoffs we didn’t have really any different kind of schedule but what we did have was exceptionally talented players those years. 3-3 against the very good D3 playoffs teams while opening up with Wellston last 4 years.

The double the size comment continues to be an exaggeration but just keep saying it if you must. It’s not the size in this rivalry as these two were nearly same size for a long long time. Like everyone knows...Wheelersburg is a superior program than Jackson who is much bigger. We’re always way bigger and they are almost always better.

You may not be from Jackson or Wellston but you sure do care a lot about this topic.

Hopefully all this works out for Wellston football.


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My thoughts have been posted. In the end this is the decision that has been made. I don’t completely agree with it but I trust Jackson will find a good replacement and hopefully Wellston can pull in Oak Hill to open every year. I wish Coach Lucas and the Wellston kids the best of luck and congrats on your power lifting successes.


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I agree ravensfan09,spot on!


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OHSAA enrollments

Jackson 289
Wellston 165. 43% smaller
Wheelersburg 175. 39% smaller


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I was just curious about the actual numbers.


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Glad to see this happen. This was an useless game that resulted in countless injuries over the years. I believe there were around 530 injuries in 54 all-time meetings.


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Proud_Pirate63 wrote: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:31 am OHSAA enrollments

Jackson 289
Wellston 165. 43% smaller
Wheelersburg 175. 39% smaller
You can’t compare Wheelersburg and Wellston. Wheelersburg is just an all star team. The last time Wellston beat Jackson, Jackson recruited Wellston’s QB.


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Has the athletic department planned for the loss in revenue? I would assume a lot more fundraising will have to occur.


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Raider6309 wrote: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:07 am
Proud_Pirate63 wrote: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:31 am OHSAA enrollments

Jackson 289
Wellston 165. 43% smaller
Wheelersburg 175. 39% smaller
You can’t compare Wheelersburg and Wellston. Wheelersburg is just an all star team. The last time Wellston beat Jackson, Jackson recruited Wellston’s QB.
I’m not comparing Wheelersburg and Wellston. I included Burg’s enrollment only because of the previous posts.


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hate to see this game go


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This is probably for the best of everyone involved. This doesn't mean they will never play again, it just means the game is taking a break for awhile.

Wellston had too many games on their schedule that in most years are automatic losses.


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NYBuckeye96 wrote: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:34 am This is probably for the best of everyone involved. This doesn't mean they will never play again, it just means the game is taking a break for awhile.

Wellston had too many games on their schedule that in most years are automatic losses.
Exactly.


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I think Winton Woods has a Week 1 opening if Athens doesn't in 2020.


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Dandy Don wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:19 am I think Winton Woods has a Week 1 opening if Athens doesn't in 2020.
I think Jackson played Winton Woods 2 or 3 years ago. Maybe if it wasn’t a 2 hour and 30 minute bus ride.


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Logan, Gallia and Athens will have openings in the upcoming years!


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moonshine wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:07 am Logan, Gallia and Athens will have openings in the upcoming years!
I believe Logan is on the schedule starting in 2019 since Gallia is dropping them after this year. Athens would be a nice pick up but I doubt Athens will play this game.


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