What SE-Ohio teams play up concerning their Non-League games

[Army]

Teams that play competition that is a step up on a regular basis. Year in and year out!

These Teams come to mind.

Chillicothe D3
Logan D2
Zanesville D2
Marietta D2
Waverly D4
Williamsport Westfall D4
Wheelersburg D5
Wellston D4
Ironton D4
Portsmouth D4
Circleville D3
Crooksville D5
Glouster Trimble D6
Nelsonville-York D5
Amanda Clearcreek D4
South Point D4
Rock Hill D4
Portsmouth West D5
Washington C.H. Miami Trace D4
Chillicothe Zane Trace D4
Newark Catholic D6


What Larger Teams could use a change and play up instead of playing down concerning their non-league schedule in getting ready for league play. Also, the competition might help the teams benefit by making the playoffs.

If I would mention a few, just in our SE-Ohio area, these 5 come to mind.

1. Jackson who is in our SEOAL is one. They play Wellston and McArthur Vinton County year in and year out.

2. Gallipolis (Gallia Academy) is another in our SEOAL who has played Pomeroy Meigs, McArthur Vinton County and Point Pleasent, WV reguarly. This season they have kept The Plains Athens on their schedule and have added Wellston.

3. Vincent Warren Local from our SEOAL who plays Belpre regularly.

4. Ottway Northwest from the SOC II who plays Portsmouth East (Sciotoville Community) on a regular basis.

5. Greenfield McClain from the SCOL who plays Chillicothe Unioto and Frankfort Adena on a regular basis.

[bman618]

It's not always about playing 'up' Army, it is about playing quality of competition. You could play 'up' and schedule three D1 Columbus City League schools for football, and if they aren't named Brookhaven or Beechcroft, could beat the crap out of them since City League ball is typically subpar overall.

I'd stack last year's Westfall and Waverly teams against most higher division teams in the area, including Chillicothe.

[Army]

Bman618,

When referring to playing up, I am talking about competition. As good as Westfall and Waverly played last season, I believe Brookhaven D1 would have defeated both teams with ease.

[bman618]

Nice editing job after I brought up the point. You were talking about Division, like you typically do.

[bman618]

Doubtful Army, especially in Westfall's case.

[loganlocos]

I have to disagree in regards to Warren, at least in the current state of their program.

"Scheduling up" only does you any good when you have a team ready to "play up."

Warren is a program that needs to gain confidence, respect, and get some WINS under their belt so that they can improve their numbers, commitment, and ability to attract coaches.

Playing "up" isn't going to solve their problems. If 3 years from now Warren is 6-4 and competing week in and week out in the SEOAL, then it's time to start considering the Fort Fryes of the world for Morgan or Meigs's.

Belpre is a game that won't be going off their schedule. Philo is a good game for the Warriors. It will be a good guage. When they start beating Philo, they'll start competing in the SEOAL.

[bman618]

Rivalries don't exactly grow on trees and it sounds like Gallipolis is very fortunate to have some good games with the Point and Athens. They should keep them and don't give a crap what anyone says about it.

Logan Elm has good rivalries with Amanda (league), Circleville (league), Westfall (non-league), Teays Valley (league) and is picking up Zane Trace (non-league) again in football which is a border clash. Canal is a good basketball rivalry and so is Carroll (both league). Rivalry games are something to get extra excited about during the season and are also good gates for the schools, which is important today with rising cost.

Scheduling better competition doesn't work unless you are ready for it. As an example, you could schedule DeSales, Pickerington Central and Dublin Coffman for non-league and brag about it. But if you get your brains beat in and don't improve off of the games, they aren't worth anything.

[bman618]

Another example of a good rivalry are Circleville's games with Washington CH and Miami Trace. Even though Circleville is not in the SCOL any longer, they have continued to play these rivals non-league in nearly every sport and they're good games.

[Army]

bman618,

I have Miami-Trace on there. Circleville too. I agree to disagree with you on the point that Westfall could have defeated Brookhaven last year. Hillard Darby barely defeated Brookhaven after our game with them.

[Army]

Rivalries don't exactly grow on trees and it sounds like Gallipolis is very fortunate to have some good games with the Point and Athens. They should keep them and don't give a crap what anyone says about it.

Logan Elm has good rivalries with Amanda (league), Circleville (league), Westfall (non-league), Teays Valley (league) and is picking up Zane Trace (non-league) again in football which is a border clash. Canal is a good basketball rivalry and so is Carroll (both league). Rivalry games are something to get extra excited about during the season and are also good gates for the schools, which is important today with rising cost.

Scheduling better competition doesn't work unless you are ready for it. As an example, you could schedule DeSales, Pickerington Central and Dublin Coffman for non-league and brag about it. But if you get your brains beat in and don't improve off of the games, they aren't worth anything.

Bman618,

If you look at the post, it is about the Non-League Schedule not League Schedule. Isn't Amanda Clearcreek, Ashville Teays Valley, Circleville and Bloom Carroll in your league as you have annotated? Tell that to Chillicothe, Logan, Marietta in all sports. Then look at lets say, Gallipolis (Gallia Academy) and Jackson.

GO CAVS

[billcox]

Nice editing job after I brought up the point. You were talking about Division, like you typically do.

Exactly, you hit the nail on the head with that post! It's funny that Army tries to claim that he is talking about the level of competition and not school size, yet he still feels the need to list the division beside the name of each team. Quite a contradiction there huh?

[Army]

2. Gallipolis (Gallia Academy) is another in our SEOAL who has played Pomeroy Meigs, McArthur Vinton County and Point Pleasent, WV reguarly. This season they have kept The Plains Athens on their schedule and have added Wellston.

Another somebody who thinks they should criticize how and why any school schedules as they do. The fact of the matter is it is no one's business who they schedule or why, and it is troublemakers who like to "stir the pot."

Scheduling is done by the ADs; no doubt in communication with the coaches. Scheduling should always be realistic IMO and consistent with where your program is any given year. Having said that, our AD has never asked my opinion who we should play, and I dont believe he has ever circulated an opinion poll either.

Your information about GAHS is seriously in error, but then who is surprised at that?

1. We havent played Meigs the last 3-4 years and dont plan to since they dropped US, as Coal Grove did a year or so earlier.

2. Vinton County was a 2 year contract that was up after last year and non renewed. You make it sound like it is a yearly rivalry.

3. Point Pleasant IS a yearly rivalry, and one of the longest ongoing in this part of the state. Just across the river, and Point has had some outstanding teams in that time. That they have been down the last 3-4 years is probably as far back as your "sources" go, but even if the GAHS-PP game was a total mismatch it is a game that MUST be played, if only for the tradition and gate; not to mention the travel, which is an issue in these days. Having said that, this game is in danger of being discontinued due to scheduling conflicts at Point in their league and some other contracts.

4. I cant remember the last time GAHS played Wellston in football, so once again this is an aberration, and another contract that will probably play out and not be renewed.

5. You havent been around long enough, Sonny, to know about the long standing ties between Athens and GAHS, or you forget how great the Athens sports programs once were. You can criticize til the cows come home, but I am glad that our friendships with Athens might continue on a non league basis. I hope we play them in basketball and baseball as well. Friends like Fred Gibson, Paul McNeal, Jeff Skinner, Tom Metters, etc dont grow on trees, and I hope we always include Athens in our scheduling.

You were saying?

gahs4ever,

Show us one school with a winning and competitive record, in Non-League Play your Blue Devils have played the past 6 years besides Sheridan from the MVL? Not playoffs but Non-League play

You were saying

Just curious?

Heck maybe that friendship with Athens and most likely easy victory for the Blue Devils can get you all a yes vote from them to join the TVC-Ohio, rumor has

But....hold on there. Wellston who your Blue Devils have not played since the 80's in Football and will this year in a 1 year series and Pomeroy Meigs who you all used to run over until a few years ago would say no. Likewise a no vote would most likely come from Belpre, Nelsonville-York, Albany Alexander and McArthur Vinton County.

Just wondering

GO CAVS

[Army]

Nice editing job after I brought up the point. You were talking about Division, like you typically do.

Exactly, you hit the nail on the head with that post! It's funny that Army tries to claim that he is talking about the level of competition and not school size, yet he still feels the need to list the division beside the name of each team. Quite a contradiction there huh?

SouthernStorm,

We are always playing D1 Schools. How about your D6 Southern Meigs?

[billcox]

Hey num-nuts (Army),

Gahs4ever just told you that they have played Ironton, Portsmouth, Burg and Sheridan in non-league play! Can't you read?

[Army]

Hey big Meigs Man,

I asked the past (6 years) not 10, 15, or 18 years ago.

If we talked 10 years ago Chillicothe won most of their games in the OCC.

1990.....10-0....................OCC (Capital Division) CHAMPS
1993.....6-4
1998.....9-1
1999.....7-3...................................................(STATE PLAYOFFS)


Would gahs4ever like to compare his teams the Blue Devils played against verses Chillicothe's

Whose your Southern Meigs Team play Farmer

GO CAVS

[billcox]

You can't even add! GAHS has played Ironton, Portsmouth, Burg and Sheridan in NON-LEAGUE games all in the past 6 years! Put in some effort and go check joeeitel before you shoot off at the mouth again!

[Army]

You can't even add! GAHS has played Ironton, Portsmouth, Burg and Sheridan all in the past 5 years!

...........and Portsmouth most of those years

What Years

Gallipolis (Gallia Academy) Non-League Schedule:

1990
Gallipolis 48 Meigs 32 W
Gallipolis 7 Coal Grove 12 L
Gallipolis 7 Pt. Pleasant 0 W
Gallipolis 27 Portsmouth 32 L
Gallipolis 0 DeSales 42 L

1991
Gallipolis 35 Meigs 14 W
Gallipolis 23 Coal Grove 6 W
Gallipolis 31 Pt. Pleasant 0 W
Gallipolis 7 Portsmouth 20 L
Gallipolis 7 DeSales 24 L

1992
Gallipolis 21 Meigs 0 W
Gallipolis 13 Coal Grove 40 L
Gallipolis 7 Pt. Pleasant 13 L
Gallipolis 7 Portsmouth 26 L
Gallipolis 38 River Valley 8 W

1993
Gallipolis 40 Meigs 0 W
Gallipolis 28 Coal Grove 0 W
Gallipolis 6 Pt. Pleasant 18 L
Gallipolis 27 Portsmouth 14 W
Gallipolis 53 River Valley 6 W

1994
Gallipolis 42 Meigs 7 W
Gallipolis 26 Coal Grove 8 W
Gallipolis 17 Pt. Pleasant 0 W

1995
Gallipolis 6 Meigs 0 W
Gallipolis 18 Coal Grove 37 L
Gallipolis 40 Pt. Pleasant 13 W

1996
Gallipolis 16 Meigs 13 W
Gallipolis 7 Coal Grove 35 L
Gallipolis 14 South Point 21 L

1997
Gallipolis 0 Meigs 12 L
Gallipolis 8 Coal Grove 40 L
Gallipolis 14 Ironton 15 L

1998
Gallipolis 28 Meigs 13 W
Gallipolis 14 Coal Grove 44 L
Gallipolis 0 Ironton 40 L

1999
Gallipolis 21 Meigs 6 W
Gallipolis 42 Coal Grove 9 W
Gallipolis 6 Ironton 44 L

2000
Gallipolis 18 Meigs 6 W
Gallipolis 40 Coal Grove 6 W
Gallipoliis10 Ironton 26 L

2001
Gallipolis 57 Meigs 0 W
Gallipolis 62 Coal Grove 0 W
Gallipolis 7 Ironton 27 L

2002
Gallipolis 35 Meigs 9 W
Gallipolis 56 Coal Grove 0 W
Gallipolis 12 Ironton 17 L
Gallipolis 28 Portsmouth 12 W

2003
Gallipolis 46 Meigs 0 W
Gallipolis 48 Coal Grove 14 W
Gallipolis 7 Ironton 20 L
Gallipolis 28 Portsmouth 27 W

2004
8/27 Meigs W 27 - 7 H
9/3 Wheelersburg L 12 - 35 A
9/10 Ironton L 0 - 30 A
9/17 Pt Pleasant W 20 - 7 H
9/24 Chillicothe L 0-17 A

2005
Meigs 28-6 W
Wheelersburg 37-30 L
Ironton 21-40 L
Point Pleasant 44-15 W
Chillicothe 17-0 W

2006
8/25 @ Sheridan 30-13 W
9/1 @ Vinton County 32-12 W
9/8 Point Pleasant 42-13 W

2007
8/24 Sheridan H Loss
8/31 Vinton County H Win
9/7 Pt Pleasant, WV A Win

2008
8/24 Sheridan H
8/31 McArthur Vinton County H
9/7 Pt Pleasant, WV A


Look what happens when they play competition

[Army]

Look at the post above yours....and some of the cream puffs as some Logan Posters says your school has played since 1990

Then look at what happens when you play competition in Non League

One thing our CAVS have since joining the SEOAL.....

Your Blue Devils number

GO CAVS

[westbrook18]

Marietta probably has one of the toughest non-league games with Hilliard Darby Week 1.

[bman618]

Army also forgets to note that for the majority of the last 10-15 years, Chillicothe Chillicothe has been D2 in football and D1 in basketball. Given their school size, they should have been playing those OCC schools. They were the same size or close to it.

Now since Chillicothe Chillicothe has lost enrollment and dropped to D3 in football and D2 in basketball, Army has been on here virtually begging to play the smaller schools and criticizing schools, like Miami Trace, for not scheduling Chillicothe Chillicothe. A lot of schools have non-league rivals, something that Chillicothe Chillicothe really does not have. Maybe that's why Army does not understand why a school doesn't ditch a good rival and a good gate to schedule Chillicothe Chillicothe and schools like them.