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bluetraveler wrote:Mister B ,just for kicks i drove from Meigs HS to RV HS took 12 mins driving the sped limit with no traffic.Sorry life in Belpre is so crazy that 24 min round trip would make such a difference.


do you see any difference in rt 7 to cheshire and rt 7 to eastern hs?

ive driven that route a few times and dont see any difference between the two lane north or south of pomeroy.... imo mister b is grasping for straws


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I think he is too. :lol:


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NYBuckeye96 wrote:
theassassin wrote:
bluetraveler wrote:Mister B ,just for kicks i drove from Meigs HS to RV HS took 12 mins driving the sped limit with no traffic.Sorry life in Belpre is so crazy that 24 min round trip would make such a difference.


do you see any difference in rt 7 to cheshire and rt 7 to eastern hs?

ive driven that route a few times and dont see any difference between the two lane north or south of pomeroy.... imo mister b is grasping for straws


Eastern isn't a league game for Ohio Division schools, so that point is moot.

I do agree with Mister B that Route 7 is a much better drive north of Pomeroy than it is south of Pomeroy. But at the same time, River Valley isn't really that much farther down the road.

Personally, I would rather see Warren in the league than River Valley. But who knows what will happen. I think the real question is would either school make the jump if they were offered the spot? Or would either school approach the TVC on their own and request to join the league? One of those two scenarios would have to happen regardless of which school people prefer.


Warren already did last year.

I say no to Warren. And yes to RV. You have Athens, Alexander Meigs, VC and Wellston close to RV. I think N-Y would go along and Belpre would just have to get over their 44 mile drive. Rt. 7 is no worse on either side.

I hope the RV Raiders get in the TVC-Ohio :!:


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One thing I hate about the TVC is that it is always so secretive in everything it does. It takes forever for some all league teams to be announced to the media. The all sports trophy winner is never announced to the media. Expansion discussions are never talked about in the media until after the fact a vote has taken place.

Despite what happens, I don't think teams will leave the TVC. In the 40 year history of the league, only one team has ever left - Warren. And it would appear that Warren would jump at the chance to re-enter the league.

History has shown us that the TVC doesn't have teams that want to leave, rather, it shows us teams who jump at the chance to play in the league.


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The TVC was founded in 1969-70, however league play in football did not begin until the fall of 1970.

1969 original four members:
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Vinton County
Warren

In 1970, Nelsonville-York left the SEOAL to join the TVC as the fifth team. This was the TVC from 1970-1973:
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Nelsonville-York
Vinton County
Warren

In 1974, Alexander joined the TVC as the sixth team. This is what the TVC looked like from 1974-1977:
Alexander
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Nelsonville-York
Vinton County
Warren

In 1978, Trimble joined the TVC as the seventh team. This is what the TVC looked like from 1978-1981:
Alexander
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Nelsonville-York
Trimble
Vinton County
Warren

In 1982, Wellston left the SEOAL to join the TVC as the eighth team. This is what the TVC looked like in 1982:
Alexander
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Nelsonville-York
Trimble
Vinton County
Warren
Wellston

In 1983, the TVC started to get crowded. Meigs left the SEOAL to join the TVC and Miller was also added that same year giving the league 10 teams. 9 out of 10 football games were league games from 1983-1985:
Alexander
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Meigs
Miller
Nelsonville-York
Trimble
Vinton County
Warren
Wellston

In 1986, Warren left the TVC to join the SEOAL, bringing membership down to 9 schools from 1986-1992:
Alexander
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Meigs
Miller
Nelsonville-York
Trimble
Vinton County
Wellston

In 1993, the TVC split into two divisions - Ohio River Division and Hocking River Division. The word "River" was dropped after that season and they were referred to simply as TVC OHIO and TVC HOCKING after that point. Eastern and Southern were added as the tenth and eleventh schools at this time to make the TVC look like this from 1993-1996:

TVC OHIO:
Belpre
Meigs
Nelsonville-York
Vinton County
Wellston

TVC HOCKING:
Alexander
Eastern
Federal Hocking
Miller
Southern
Trimble

In 1997, Waterford was added as the 12th school, joining the HOCKING and bumping Alexander up to the OHIO. From 1997-2007, the TVC looked like this:

TVC OHIO:
Alexander
Belpre
Meigs
Nelsonville-York
Vinton County
Wellston

TVC HOCKING:
Eastern
Federal Hocking
Miller
Southern
Trimble
Waterford

In 2008, Athens left the SEOAL to join the TVC by becoming the 13th member. Which brings us to the current breakdown of the TVC:

TVC OHIO:
Alexander
Athens
Belpre
Meigs
Nelsonville-York
Vinton County
Wellston

TVC HOCKING:
Eastern
Federal Hocking
Miller
Southern
Trimble
Waterford


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I know what you mean in. I doubt Wellston, VC and Meigs will say yes to Warren, as Mister B stated. Likewise, Jackson was attending the TVC Meetings there for a couple of years but it didn't help them. Even though Wellston and VC plays the Ironmen every year, they would not vote for Jackson to enter the TVC-Ohio. Jackson would become for the TVC-Ohio what Ironton was to the SEOAL in the 70's and early 80's.

I think since Crooksville from the MVL said no, the only option would be RV.


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BuckeyeCav --

What would you think about Chillicothe joining the TVC-Ohio? I look at Chilly a lot like I look at Vinton County. Solid basketball programs, yet mediocre in other sports. Both are D-II in basketball and D-III in football. Both are hit-and-miss in football. Chillicothe would've been embarrassed by state champion Alexander in volleyball in the TVC last year, so they would've had that in common with the Vikings. Neither team fielded much in baseball and softball last year. I doubt the Cavs would've wanted to tangle with Wellston in softball last year or with Meigs in baseball. I think Chillicothe would be a good addition to the TVC-Ohio and they might contend in a couple sports outside of basketball. Not sure if the golf or cross country teams would have anything on Athens. Football title might come down to Nelsonville-York and Chillicothe, they could be a good rivalry. With Chilly losing those seniors, my money would be on Arnold and company in at NY next year. If Chilly can travel to Portsmouth, they can travel to Alexander and Athens.


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River Valley brings nothing to the table for the TVC Ohio.

Since 2004, their record against TVC Ohio teams is 1-14.

Athens 0-2

Alexander 1-3

Meigs 0-5

Nelsonville 0-4

Wellston and Meigs are ok with Warren. VC and FH are not.

I seriously doubt that Jackson ever attended any TVC meetings as you state. :roll:

Again I ask, why is River Valley such a good fit for the TVC other then being a rural school like Warren?

Answer please.


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Mister B,

Again, you are only thinking Football. Instead of all sports. RV balances out in Volleyball, Basketball, Track and Field, Baseball and Softball.

Two, You are not looking at the whole picture. Instead you are thinking football only and not reviewing actually what Warren would do if they were in the TVC-Ohio in all other sports.

Three, yes Jackson was attending TVC meetings a few years ago, snooping around to see what their chances were to possibly get an open slot. This was when the SEOAL just lost RV and Point Plesent, WV was talking about leaving the SEOAL. And, Chillicothe by themselves, was initally petitioning the SEOAL to join.

Then AGAIN when the vote was coming up in 2004 for the SEOAL expansion, Jackson began to attend TVC Meetings as so-called observors. :roll: :lol:

I should know, and I'll leave it at that. ;-)

Right now, it's either RV or make Federal Hocking move up, it's the only choice at the moment for the TVC-Ohio to expand to 8 teams. :-D

Forget Vincent Warren Local who is a D3 School.

Forget Crooksville from the MVL who is a D5 School.

Either take a real review of the choices you have, make a choice between RV or FH or stay with 7 members and leave it at that.


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Do-Your-Job wrote:BuckeyeCav --

What would you think about Chillicothe joining the TVC-Ohio? I look at Chilly a lot like I look at Vinton County. Solid basketball programs, yet mediocre in other sports. Both are D-II in basketball and D-III in football. Both are hit-and-miss in football. Chillicothe would've been embarrassed by state champion Alexander in volleyball in the TVC last year, so they would've had that in common with the Vikings. Neither team fielded much in baseball and softball last year. I doubt the Cavs would've wanted to tangle with Wellston in softball last year or with Meigs in baseball. I think Chillicothe would be a good addition to the TVC-Ohio and they might contend in a couple sports outside of basketball. Not sure if the golf or cross country teams would have anything on Athens. Football title might come down to Nelsonville-York and Chillicothe, they could be a good rivalry. With Chilly losing those seniors, my money would be on Arnold and company in at NY next year. If Chilly can travel to Portsmouth, they can travel to Alexander and Athens.


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No disrespect, but are you joking? You are to funny. If Chillicothe was in the TVC-Ohio they would rule in Volleyball, Football, Golf, and Cross Country in the Fall every year. Since the Rural TVC-Ohio does not compete in Boys or Girls Tennis and Boys and Girls Soccer the CAVS would have to be an independent. In the winter, they would rule in Basketball every year, both in Boys and Girls B-Ball. In wrestling at times, and since the Rural TVC-Ohio has no Swimming Team or Bowling Team, the CAVS would have to play independent in those sports too. In the Spring, our Baseball team would compete. As for the Softball, I would have to agree with you. Our Track and Field Team, both boys and Girls would rule every year.

Football and Basketball would be a joke for our CAVS to play in such a rural and weak Conference. What did Ironton do to your powerhouse on Nelsonville's field? What did Chillicothe do to Ironton? ;-)

What has Chillicothe done the past two years at the CONVO to your powerhouse VC in basketball? Please don't make me laugh. :roll: :lol:

There is no way in you know what that Chillicothe would ever think of joining the TVC-Ohio. Now for Jackson D2 who is one size larger than our CAVS D3 in football. I could see them jumping out of the SEOAL in a heartbeat, if you all offered them to place in your conference. Check their football schedules out every year. Wellston, Waverly and Vinton County. Then they wonder why they get beat by 40 plus points in football by Chillicothe, Ironton and Logan.

Be for real.

River Valley is the only option outside of Federal Hocking to move up in making the TVC-Ohio an eight member division.


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BuckeyeCAV...

I really don't think you know anything. I think you just like to contradict.

If Warren came back to the TVC, which I don't think that will happen unless one school switches it vote, they would challange for the title in almost any sport. What sports would River Valley challange for a title in the TVC? I don't see where they would standout in any sport. I am sure their kids play hard but how do they do in their current conference every year? That is what you want from members of your conference, teams that challange the other teams programs to get better.

If you can give us an idea of how their teams do in the other sports you could make a case for them. But until then, your not putting up much of an argument.

Federal Hocking won't move up to the Ohio. That has already been proposed and discussed. Of course, you would already know that if you knew what you were talking about.

And South Gallia being added to the Hocking makes less sense then River Valley to the Ohio. Who wants to drive all the way to Mercerville? From Miller no less for every sport?


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I guess I am wondering what the definition rural would be. As far as I can see, ALL leagues in SE Ohio are rural. Sure there are bigger towns like Chilly, Athens and Zanesville but SE Ohio is, always was and always will be rural.

BTW, Chillicothe would not rule in volleyball. Alexander is the cream of the crop in Vball and looks to be for several more years.


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Invite Oak Hill and put Oak Hill in the Ohio,put Belpre in Hocking.Oak Hill is close to most Ohio teams except NY and maybe Meigs.There you have it problem solved!! :-D


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Oak Hill tried to join the TVC in the early '90's, but was turned down. Also, we can't move any team to the Hocking if a team is added to the Ohio. That is the whole point of expansion - to give the league 8 teams. Moving a team to the Hocking would give both divisions an odd number of teams which creates an even bigger mess.

I would think anyone from a SEOAL school would rather see RV in the TVC than Warren. If Warren leaves the SEOAL, Marietta wouldn't be far behind. I think Marietta in that scenerio would jump at the chance to join the new OVAC football league that Zanesville, Parkersburg South, etc. are forming. It's kind of like the domino effect. I think SEOAL fans would not want that instability and would rally behind RV joining the TVC to prevent that from happening.

So the question is......is adding RV to the TVC in the best interests of the TVC, or is it in the best interests of the SEOAL by not having yet another SEOAL school jump ship to the TVC?



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What makes everyone so sure RV wants to go to the TVC?


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theassassin wrote:
Mister B wrote:Did I mention that Belpre is 4-3 against Warren in the last 7 years and we lead the series by about 8 games?

Did I also mention that Warren is rural school in southeastern Ohio?

Why is everyone so afraid of them?


.... and warrens record during that time is:
02 0-10
03 0-10
04 2-8
05 1-9
06 3-7 beat belpre
07 3-7 beat belpre
08 4-6 beat belpre


Thank you.


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BuckeyeCAV wrote:I know what you mean in. I doubt Wellston, VC and Meigs will say yes to Warren, as Mister B stated. Likewise, Jackson was attending the TVC Meetings there for a couple of years but it didn't help them. Even though Wellston and VC plays the Ironmen every year, they would not vote for Jackson to enter the TVC-Ohio. Jackson would become for the TVC-Ohio what Ironton was to the SEOAL in the 70's and early 80's.

I think since Crooksville from the MVL said no, the only option would be RV.


You what I would love to see? Crooksville join the TVC and Warren invade their MVL spot.
And any comparasions with Ironton and the SEOAL are moot points, you have to stay in a league for more then four years at a time to be considered dominant.


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Mister B wrote:BuckeyeCAV...

I really don't think you know anything. I think you just like to contradict.

If Warren came back to the TVC, which I don't think that will happen unless one school switches it vote, they would challange for the title in almost any sport. What sports would River Valley challange for a title in the TVC? I don't see where they would standout in any sport. I am sure their kids play hard but how do they do in their current conference every year? That is what you want from members of your conference, teams that challange the other teams programs to get better.

If you can give us an idea of how their teams do in the other sports you could make a case for them. But until then, your not putting up much of an argument.

Federal Hocking won't move up to the Ohio. That has already been proposed and discussed. Of course, you would already know that if you knew what you were talking about.

And South Gallia being added to the Hocking makes less sense then River Valley to the Ohio. Who wants to drive all the way to Mercerville? From Miller no less for every sport?


Mister B

How about Basketball and Volleyball for starters. Track and Field at times. And once in a blue moon baseball.


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buckfan84 wrote:I guess I am wondering what the definition rural would be. As far as I can see, ALL leagues in SE Ohio are rural. Sure there are bigger towns like Chilly, Athens and Zanesville but SE Ohio is, always was and always will be rural.

BTW, Chillicothe would not rule in volleyball. Alexander is the cream of the crop in Vball and looks to be for several more years.



So you say now. If Chillicothe was ever in the TVC-Ohio as proposed by the one poster...... :roll:

Chillicothe would get tired and bored at continuiously hanging Conference Titles in their gym as did Ironton when they were in the SEOAL in the 70's and 80's. Plus, if the CAVS were in the TVC-Ohio it wouldn't take long before everybody would exit the TVC-Ohio due to the CAVS being in the Conference. :-D

But with that said, lets get back to the topic, River Valley is the only option the TVC-Ohio has at the moment to expand to 8 teams.
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Do-Your-Job wrote:BuckeyeCav --

What would you think about Chillicothe joining the TVC-Ohio? I look at Chilly a lot like I look at Vinton County. Solid basketball programs, yet mediocre in other sports. Both are D-II in basketball and D-III in football. Both are hit-and-miss in football. Chillicothe would've been embarrassed by state champion Alexander in volleyball in the TVC last year, so they would've had that in common with the Vikings. Neither team fielded much in baseball and softball last year. I doubt the Cavs would've wanted to tangle with Wellston in softball last year or with Meigs in baseball. I think Chillicothe would be a good addition to the TVC-Ohio and they might contend in a couple sports outside of basketball. Not sure if the golf or cross country teams would have anything on Athens. Football title might come down to Nelsonville-York and Chillicothe, they could be a good rivalry. With Chilly losing those seniors, my money would be on Arnold and company in at NY next year. If Chilly can travel to Portsmouth, they can travel to Alexander and Athens.


Do-Your-Job,

No disrespect, but are you joking? You are to funny. If Chillicothe was in the TVC-Ohio they would rule in Volleyball, Football, Golf, and Cross Country in the Fall every year. Since the Rural TVC-Ohio does not compete in Boys or Girls Tennis and Boys and Girls Soccer the CAVS would have to be an independent. In the winter, they would rule in Basketball every year, both in Boys and Girls B-Ball. In wrestling at times, and since the Rural TVC-Ohio has no Swimming Team or Bowling Team, the CAVS would have to play independent in those sports too. In the Spring, our Baseball team would compete. As for the Softball, I would have to agree with you. Our Track and Field Team, both boys and Girls would rule every year.

Football and Basketball would be a joke for our CAVS to play in such a rural and weak Conference. What did Ironton do to your powerhouse on Nelsonville's field? What did Chillicothe do to Ironton? ;-)

What has Chillicothe done the past two years at the CONVO to your powerhouse VC in basketball? Please don't make me laugh. :roll: :lol:

There is no way in you know what that Chillicothe would ever think of joining the TVC-Ohio. Now for Jackson D2 who is one size larger than our CAVS D3 in football. I could see them jumping out of the SEOAL in a heartbeat, if you all offered them to place in your conference. Check their football schedules out every year. Wellston, Waverly and Vinton County. Then they wonder why they get beat by 40 plus points in football by Chillicothe, Ironton and Logan.

Be for real.

River Valley is the only option outside of Federal Hocking to move up in making the TVC-Ohio an eight member division.



I'm not so sure Chillicothe would rule anything in volleyball, golf, cross country and football in the TVC every fall. If you think Chillicothe could've beaten Alexander in volleyball the past five years or so, then you are too funny. Alexander is a state champion and has been in the state tournament the last three years. Chilly hasn't even won an SEOAL title. Chilly wouldn't win a single set against Alexander last year if they played them 100 times. Ask Adena, who is consistently better than Chillicothe but got smoked by Alexander in the regionals the last two years.

Athens is very strong in golf and cross country and my money would be on them over Chilly. Yes, Chillicothe was good in football last year, but I don't think the Cavs have ever been confused with being a football powerhouse year in and year out. I don't think Chillicothe wins the TVC last year in girls basketball, baseball, softball, golf or cross country. We already established they wouldn't have a prayer in volleyball. Athens did fine in the fall being an independent soccer team, as the boys won the district title. Looks like Chillicothe could be a good fit as the 8th TVC team.


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BuckeyeCAV wrote:I know what you mean in. I doubt Wellston, VC and Meigs will say yes to Warren, as Mister B stated. Likewise, Jackson was attending the TVC Meetings there for a couple of years but it didn't help them. Even though Wellston and VC plays the Ironmen every year, they would not vote for Jackson to enter the TVC-Ohio. Jackson would become for the TVC-Ohio what Ironton was to the SEOAL in the 70's and early 80's.

I think since Crooksville from the MVL said no, the only option would be RV.


You what I would love to see? Crooksville join the TVC and Warren invade their MVL spot.
And any comparasions with Ironton and the SEOAL are moot points, you have to stay in a league for more then four years at a time to be considered dominant.


To answer your comment about being in the SEOAL, In the 4 short years, Chillicothe has been in the league, the Cavaliers has accomplished more for the SEOAL, than Warren Local has in the 23 years they have been in the league.

STATE Champions ring a bell?

What was the score in football for our first meeting in football? Get used to those type of scores.

You have to ask yourself, why did the Warriors leave the TVC? Wasn't the theory back then, that the TVC was a weak heck league with SEOAL former has beens being invited into it? And, that the Warriors was a step above that, and needed to boot for a larger more competitive league like the SEOAL? Who talked the Warren Local School to leave the TVC in the first place? Who had the influence from the SEOAL on Warren to leave the TVC? Jackson? Athens? Marietta? Gallipolis? Logan?

Heck they can't even defeat Belpre half the time in football. And, they are no longer the BIG GUYS within the SEOAL in basketball either. Are they?

But if they were invited back into the TVC-Ohio, they would rule that Division in most sports. At football during certain times to. I can understand why FH and VC said no. ;-)

Crooksville would be an O.K. team and balance out the TVC-Oio as a RV would. But, WITH THAT STATED, I don't see Wellston or VC wanting to make that trip.

As for RV Raiders, I think they balance out the Conference in all sports.
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