93Bulldog wrote:For 'competitive' reasons, plus, having an established rivarly with Belpre already I think gives Warren a little edge over River Valley.
Warren is NOT that great at other sports by the way. They have their moments in basketball and are usually very competitive, their football team is on parallel with Athens, maybe even a step below. Warren puts a good product on the field in baseball in most years and ive been told they have an excellent wrestling program. The girls sports, they are tough in a lot of different activities. Volleyball, Hoops, softball, all solid.
BUT... Being good or having some talent on all their different athletic teams is a POSITIVE thing for the TVC-Ohio and its teams. In football, you want the bigger school that you can possibly beat during most seasons as opposed to a smaller school that even if you do beat them, you gain no computer points if they aren't very good; and if they are teetering around D-4 or D-5 makes the R.V. option less attractive. Warren is a solid D-3 and use to be D-2, they will not drop to 4, if anything they would go up.
Warren would help the other TVC-Ohio teams, in a variety of different ways. Playing tough competition only makes you better and the Warriors will always play you tough, even if they aren't loaded with talent. THey can only enhance the TVC-Ohio teams chances of succeeding in the playoffs or tournaments.
Warren offers some fairly descent facilities too, I loved playing at their football stadium, walking off the top of the hill down into the 'bowl' was always cool. Their baseball field is very nice as is their gym for the hoops fanatics.
Also, Warren is about as Rural as you are going to get in Southeastern Ohio! If you don't think having 2 big ol' farms surrounding your school where cows seem to be part of the landscape, then I don't know what rural is ... lol ... Their are no businesses really around the school, no town with numerous stop lights and businesses, the kids are 'country' boys, as are their girls ... To me, Warren and Alexander are a lot alike. The school, its students, etc...etc... I mean, if the TVC-OHio was open to add Athens, I can't believe they would snubb Warren. Warren is like the 'anti-Athens', they are waaaaay more like the other TVC-Ohio teams than Athens is in terms of its students and culture surounding the school.
Think of it this way, if Athens and Waterford got together and had a baby, it would be Warren ...lol... A descent sized school (D-3), but mainly a 'country' school that draws its students from a large county. I mean, NELSONVILLE-YORK is 10 X MORE URBAN than Warren Local. Hell, N-Y has more stoplights than Warren, Alexander, Trimble and Federal Hocking combined!
Eastern isn't a league game for Ohio Division schools, so that point is moot.
bluetraveler wrote:Mister B ,just for kicks i drove from Meigs HS to RV HS took 12 mins driving the sped limit with no traffic.Sorry life in Belpre is so crazy that 24 min round trip would make such a difference.
do you see any difference in rt 7 to cheshire and rt 7 to eastern hs?
ive driven that route a few times and dont see any difference between the two lane north or south of pomeroy.... imo mister b is grasping for straws
I do agree with Mister B that Route 7 is a much better drive north of Pomeroy than it is south of Pomeroy. But at the same time, River Valley isn't really that much farther down the road.
Personally, I would rather see Warren in the league than River Valley. But who knows what will happen. I think the real question is would either school make the jump if they were offered the spot? Or would either school approach the TVC on their own and request to join the league? One of those two scenarios would have to happen regardless of which school people prefer.
Finally, some voices of reason who have a vested interest in the TVC unlike BuckeyeCAV who is a Chilly fan with an axe to grind against Athens, for leaving the SEOAL and the TVC for reason he only knows. I guess he fears the TVC becoming a better league.
Who cares what Warren's record was when Belpre beat them. I can remember Belpre beating Warren in years past and it being Warren's only loss of the year. But, I guess the people posting on this thread must not be old enough to know.
One of the complaints I hear most about Belpre from the other TVC schools is their travel time to Belpre. And the schools in the Hocking complain about the same thing about Waterford. So it is not just Belpre doing complaining about travel.
As much as BuckeyeCAV wants to say Athens wants to soley have the top soccer program in the TVC, he just doesn't get it, the TVC does not recoginize soccer in the TVC. By the TVC bylaws, they will not acknowledge a league title nor count that sport towards the all sports trophy until at least 1/2 of the total teams in the TVC, regardless of divison, Ohio or Hocking, field teams in that sport. This is how it is done for a league title in cross-country, wrestling etc. Athens, Alex and Belpre, the only 3 schools in the TVC that have soccer, are not required to even play each other by TVC bylaws. In fact, next year, Athens and Alex will only play Belpre once each in soccer. Plus, the OHSAA does not have any requirement as to how many teams a conference must have to crown a champ in that conference. That is left up to the conference to decide. The OHSAA only concerns itself with crowning state champs, not league champs. I can respect someone who at least knows somewhat of what they are talking about but BuckeyeCAV is trying to enter into a debate in which he lacks the knowledge to get in the door.
As for the last vote of Warren into the TVC. Meigs and Wellston did not oppose it as BuckeyeCAV reports. In fact, there was some who wanted to add Jackson to the mix. Jackson didn't ask for the TVC for entrance, but some TVC members wanted to approach them about it but it didn't go past the discussion stage. Vinton and Federal were the 2 that lead the charge to keep Warren out. Vinton because they are still upset that Warren left in the 1980's
and Federal because there was a proposal to move them out of the Hocking into the middle division to have 3 divisions. It is just not the TVC Ohio that votes on who comes into the Ohio, the entire membership votes on new members regardless of what division they will be placed in, which I disagree with. I think 75% of the total league membership has to vote to approve a motion. So with 13 teams, you need 10 votes to pass anything. Vinton and Federal only had to get 1 more no vote and it was a member of the Hocking that helped tip the scales.
Athens has the same pull as any other member of the TVC. As for what the other members of the TVC will vote for or against River Valley, BuckeyeCAV is in no position to say who will vote what way. If they get in, fine, but I seriously think Belpre and at least 2 more will not vote for it. But the TVC is known for doing what is not best of itself. With their record of 4-17 against the TVC Ohio since 2004. they don't bring alot to the table. Just a win for everybody in the TVC Ohio and maybe that is what the TVC wants. If so, then that is sad for the league.