Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

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Post by BuckeyeCAV » Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:48 am

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theassassin wrote:mister b please explain the difference between rt 7n of pomroy and rt 7 s of pomeroy


The drive on RT 7 South of Pomeroy is not as good of a drive as it is on RT 7 North. IMHO.

BuckeyeCAV...

Since this is a football forum, again I ask...

What does River Valley bring to the table that the TVC would want? I have pointed out their failure to be competitive against TVC Ohio teams to the tune of a 4-17 record since 2002. Since the 2004 season they are 1-14 against the TVC Ohio.

Since the 2004 season they have the following records...

2004 2-8. A win against 0-10 D5 Southeastern and 2-8 D4 Southpoint.

2005 1-9. A win against 0-10 D5 Southeastern.

2006 1-9. A win against 1-9 D5 Southeastern.

2007 1-9. A win against 3-7 D4 Alexander.

2008 3-7. A win against 0-10 D4 Rock Hill and 3-7 D6 Eastern and 5-5 D6 Waterford.

In 5 years they have compiled a record of 8-42 with 3 wins against schools of their size D4 with a 5-25 record, 3 wins against a D5 school (Southeastern) with a record of 1-29 and 2 wins against 2 different D6 schools with a combined record of 8-12.

If you are concerned about who Belpre plays, the combined record of our teams this year was 50-50. We played 2 teams that were smaller than us, D6 Trimble (8-2) and D6 Zanesville Rosencrans (6-4). 2 games of teams our size D5 Fort Frye (3-7) and Nelsonville (8-2). 3 games against D4 Alexander (4-6), Wellston (4-6) and Meigs (8-2). 3 games against D3 Warren (4-6), Vinton County (1-9) and Athens (4-6).

Now tell us about the schedule of River Valley's football schedule. As for other sports, I or for that matter, nobody else at Belpre is worried about the other sports. You win some and you lose some, boys and girls. I doubt River Valley would present much of a problem for us in basketball, even with your new coach on the boys team. You can have our cast-offs.


It's a Rural and Small Town Conference. Sorry, but River Valley is your only option at the present for the 8th team. Not many will vote for Warren Local to re-enter the TVC-Ohio Division. And Rt. 7 South is no worse than Rt. 7 North.



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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by mister b » Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:54 am

Did I mention that Belpre is 4-3 against Warren in the last 7 years and we lead the series by about 8 games?

Did I also mention that Warren is rural school in southeastern Ohio?

Why is everyone so afraid of them?

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by bluetraveler » Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:54 am

Mister B ,just for kicks i drove from Meigs HS to RV HS took 12 mins driving the sped limit with no traffic.Sorry life in Belpre is so crazy that 24 min round trip would make such a difference.

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by theassassin » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:34 am

bluetraveler wrote:Mister B ,just for kicks i drove from Meigs HS to RV HS took 12 mins driving the sped limit with no traffic.Sorry life in Belpre is so crazy that 24 min round trip would make such a difference.


do you see any difference in rt 7 to cheshire and rt 7 to eastern hs?

ive driven that route a few times and dont see any difference between the two lane north or south of pomeroy.... imo mister b is grasping for straws

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Post by theassassin » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:50 am

Mister B wrote:Did I mention that Belpre is 4-3 against Warren in the last 7 years and we lead the series by about 8 games?

Did I also mention that Warren is rural school in southeastern Ohio?

Why is everyone so afraid of them?


.... and warrens record during that time is:
02 0-10
03 0-10
04 2-8
05 1-9
06 3-7 beat belpre
07 3-7 beat belpre
08 4-6 beat belpre

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by NYBuckeye96 » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:57 am

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bluetraveler wrote:Mister B ,just for kicks i drove from Meigs HS to RV HS took 12 mins driving the sped limit with no traffic.Sorry life in Belpre is so crazy that 24 min round trip would make such a difference.


do you see any difference in rt 7 to cheshire and rt 7 to eastern hs?

ive driven that route a few times and dont see any difference between the two lane north or south of pomeroy.... imo mister b is grasping for straws


Eastern isn't a league game for Ohio Division schools, so that point is moot.

I do agree with Mister B that Route 7 is a much better drive north of Pomeroy than it is south of Pomeroy. But at the same time, River Valley isn't really that much farther down the road.

Personally, I would rather see Warren in the league than River Valley. But who knows what will happen. I think the real question is would either school make the jump if they were offered the spot? Or would either school approach the TVC on their own and request to join the league? One of those two scenarios would have to happen regardless of which school people prefer.

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by theassassin » Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:05 pm

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theassassin wrote:
bluetraveler wrote:Mister B ,just for kicks i drove from Meigs HS to RV HS took 12 mins driving the sped limit with no traffic.Sorry life in Belpre is so crazy that 24 min round trip would make such a difference.


do you see any difference in rt 7 to cheshire and rt 7 to eastern hs?

ive driven that route a few times and dont see any difference between the two lane north or south of pomeroy.... imo mister b is grasping for straws


Eastern isn't a league game for Ohio Division schools, so that point is moot.

I do agree with Mister B that Route 7 is a much better drive north of Pomeroy than it is south of Pomeroy. But at the same time, River Valley isn't really that much farther down the road.

Personally, I would rather see Warren in the league than River Valley. But who knows what will happen. I think the real question is would either school make the jump if they were offered the spot? Or would either school approach the TVC on their own and request to join the league? One of those two scenarios would have to happen regardless of which school people prefer.


i know eastern isnt a league game for tvc ohio teams but if last time i was up that way a person driving from belpre to meigs would have to drive right past eastern hs.... also if you check belpre schedule i think you will find that they normally schedule eastern non league game anyway.

i would agree once you get to the 4 lane at tuppers planes rt7n is better road but there is no difference from there on.... except the few miles north and south of the 7/33 intersection near meigs hs.

your last 2 sentence sums it all up..... would either accept an invtation if offered? would either approach the tvc fro mmembership. as far as i know river vally hasnt since back n the 90's (imo the tvc is where they should have been to begin with but that is another topic) and are comfortable with the ovc at this time.

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by 93Bulldog » Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:38 pm

For 'competitive' reasons, plus, having an established rivarly with Belpre already I think gives Warren a little edge over River Valley.

Warren is NOT that great at other sports by the way. They have their moments in basketball and are usually very competitive, their football team is on parallel with Athens, maybe even a step below. Warren puts a good product on the field in baseball in most years and ive been told they have an excellent wrestling program. The girls sports, they are tough in a lot of different activities. Volleyball, Hoops, softball, all solid.

BUT... Being good or having some talent on all their different athletic teams is a POSITIVE thing for the TVC-Ohio and its teams. In football, you want the bigger school that you can possibly beat during most seasons as opposed to a smaller school that even if you do beat them, you gain no computer points if they aren't very good; and if they are teetering around D-4 or D-5 makes the R.V. option less attractive. Warren is a solid D-3 and use to be D-2, they will not drop to 4, if anything they would go up.

Warren would help the other TVC-Ohio teams, in a variety of different ways. Playing tough competition only makes you better and the Warriors will always play you tough, even if they aren't loaded with talent. THey can only enhance the TVC-Ohio teams chances of succeeding in the playoffs or tournaments.

Warren offers some fairly descent facilities too, I loved playing at their football stadium, walking off the top of the hill down into the 'bowl' was always cool. Their baseball field is very nice as is their gym for the hoops fanatics.

Also, Warren is about as Rural as you are going to get in Southeastern Ohio! If you don't think having 2 big ol' farms surrounding your school where cows seem to be part of the landscape, then I don't know what rural is ... lol ... Their are no businesses really around the school, no town with numerous stop lights and businesses, the kids are 'country' boys, as are their girls ... To me, Warren and Alexander are a lot alike. The school, its students, etc...etc... I mean, if the TVC-OHio was open to add Athens, I can't believe they would snubb Warren. Warren is like the 'anti-Athens', they are waaaaay more like the other TVC-Ohio teams than Athens is in terms of its students and culture surounding the school.

Think of it this way, if Athens and Waterford got together and had a baby, it would be Warren ...lol... A descent sized school (D-3), but mainly a 'country' school that draws its students from a large county. I mean, NELSONVILLE-YORK is 10 X MORE URBAN than Warren Local. Hell, N-Y has more stoplights than Warren, Alexander, Trimble and Federal Hocking combined!

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Post by BuckeyeCAV » Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:31 pm

Since your school was lucky to get in such a small conference because as big as it is, no body plays football, which is a shame, and they couldn't handle the SEOAL, I don't think Athens will have any pull IN WHO GETS IN. You can forget about Warren. They would rule in Basketball, Track, give Alexander a run in Volleyball, have a top Soccer program and at times win the TVC-Ohio in Football.

Sorry newcomers....Athens, but we know the real reason why Athens wants Warren and Marietta in the TVC-Ohio. It's due to Soccer. Right? Sorry Bulldogs, Meigs, Wellston and Vinton County will say no. :-D

As for River Valley, Wellston, Meigs and Vinton County will say yes. River Valley would have no problem with Alexander, Athens at times, Belpre at times too. The Raiders already play Meigs and have played Wellston and N-Y several times. They at times could handle VC too. As for Warren, the Warriors would dominate in several TVC-Ohio sports, when RV would not.

You all have to learn to beat little D5 Federal Hocking first. And drop little Class A Wahama, WV off your schedule before you want to step it up. It boggles me though, since you all were already in the SEOAL, wanted out, now you come into the TVC-Ohio and want to push your voice around like you all have pull. :roll: :lol:

We even heard as soon as you entered the TVC-Ohio there were several in your Athletic Department trying to devise a new league with TVC Teams. The new league was all 5 Athens County Teams, i.e., D3 Athens, D5 N-Y, D6 Trimble, D4 Alexander D5 Federal Hocking, add D3 Vinton County, D4 Meigs and D4 River Valley. Thus, dumping Wellston and Belpre faithful members in the TVC to the curb.

No matter how Mister B tries to justify it, Warren is a no-go at this time. RV is a go for your only option to add a 8th team.

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by mister b » Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:32 pm

93Bulldog wrote:For 'competitive' reasons, plus, having an established rivarly with Belpre already I think gives Warren a little edge over River Valley.

Warren is NOT that great at other sports by the way. They have their moments in basketball and are usually very competitive, their football team is on parallel with Athens, maybe even a step below. Warren puts a good product on the field in baseball in most years and ive been told they have an excellent wrestling program. The girls sports, they are tough in a lot of different activities. Volleyball, Hoops, softball, all solid.

BUT... Being good or having some talent on all their different athletic teams is a POSITIVE thing for the TVC-Ohio and its teams. In football, you want the bigger school that you can possibly beat during most seasons as opposed to a smaller school that even if you do beat them, you gain no computer points if they aren't very good; and if they are teetering around D-4 or D-5 makes the R.V. option less attractive. Warren is a solid D-3 and use to be D-2, they will not drop to 4, if anything they would go up.

Warren would help the other TVC-Ohio teams, in a variety of different ways. Playing tough competition only makes you better and the Warriors will always play you tough, even if they aren't loaded with talent. THey can only enhance the TVC-Ohio teams chances of succeeding in the playoffs or tournaments.

Warren offers some fairly descent facilities too, I loved playing at their football stadium, walking off the top of the hill down into the 'bowl' was always cool. Their baseball field is very nice as is their gym for the hoops fanatics.

Also, Warren is about as Rural as you are going to get in Southeastern Ohio! If you don't think having 2 big ol' farms surrounding your school where cows seem to be part of the landscape, then I don't know what rural is ... lol ... Their are no businesses really around the school, no town with numerous stop lights and businesses, the kids are 'country' boys, as are their girls ... To me, Warren and Alexander are a lot alike. The school, its students, etc...etc... I mean, if the TVC-OHio was open to add Athens, I can't believe they would snubb Warren. Warren is like the 'anti-Athens', they are waaaaay more like the other TVC-Ohio teams than Athens is in terms of its students and culture surounding the school.

Think of it this way, if Athens and Waterford got together and had a baby, it would be Warren ...lol... A descent sized school (D-3), but mainly a 'country' school that draws its students from a large county. I mean, NELSONVILLE-YORK is 10 X MORE URBAN than Warren Local. Hell, N-Y has more stoplights than Warren, Alexander, Trimble and Federal Hocking combined!
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bluetraveler wrote:Mister B ,just for kicks i drove from Meigs HS to RV HS took 12 mins driving the sped limit with no traffic.Sorry life in Belpre is so crazy that 24 min round trip would make such a difference.


do you see any difference in rt 7 to cheshire and rt 7 to eastern hs?

ive driven that route a few times and dont see any difference between the two lane north or south of pomeroy.... imo mister b is grasping for straws


Eastern isn't a league game for Ohio Division schools, so that point is moot.

I do agree with Mister B that Route 7 is a much better drive north of Pomeroy than it is south of Pomeroy. But at the same time, River Valley isn't really that much farther down the road.

Personally, I would rather see Warren in the league than River Valley. But who knows what will happen. I think the real question is would either school make the jump if they were offered the spot? Or would either school approach the TVC on their own and request to join the league? One of those two scenarios would have to happen regardless of which school people prefer.


Finally, some voices of reason who have a vested interest in the TVC unlike BuckeyeCAV who is a Chilly fan with an axe to grind against Athens, for leaving the SEOAL and the TVC for reason he only knows. I guess he fears the TVC becoming a better league.

Who cares what Warren's record was when Belpre beat them. I can remember Belpre beating Warren in years past and it being Warren's only loss of the year. But, I guess the people posting on this thread must not be old enough to know.

One of the complaints I hear most about Belpre from the other TVC schools is their travel time to Belpre. And the schools in the Hocking complain about the same thing about Waterford. So it is not just Belpre doing complaining about travel.

As much as BuckeyeCAV wants to say Athens wants to soley have the top soccer program in the TVC, he just doesn't get it, the TVC does not recoginize soccer in the TVC. By the TVC bylaws, they will not acknowledge a league title nor count that sport towards the all sports trophy until at least 1/2 of the total teams in the TVC, regardless of divison, Ohio or Hocking, field teams in that sport. This is how it is done for a league title in cross-country, wrestling etc. Athens, Alex and Belpre, the only 3 schools in the TVC that have soccer, are not required to even play each other by TVC bylaws. In fact, next year, Athens and Alex will only play Belpre once each in soccer. Plus, the OHSAA does not have any requirement as to how many teams a conference must have to crown a champ in that conference. That is left up to the conference to decide. The OHSAA only concerns itself with crowning state champs, not league champs. I can respect someone who at least knows somewhat of what they are talking about but BuckeyeCAV is trying to enter into a debate in which he lacks the knowledge to get in the door.

As for the last vote of Warren into the TVC. Meigs and Wellston did not oppose it as BuckeyeCAV reports. In fact, there was some who wanted to add Jackson to the mix. Jackson didn't ask for the TVC for entrance, but some TVC members wanted to approach them about it but it didn't go past the discussion stage. Vinton and Federal were the 2 that lead the charge to keep Warren out. Vinton because they are still upset that Warren left in the 1980's :roll: and Federal because there was a proposal to move them out of the Hocking into the middle division to have 3 divisions. It is just not the TVC Ohio that votes on who comes into the Ohio, the entire membership votes on new members regardless of what division they will be placed in, which I disagree with. I think 75% of the total league membership has to vote to approve a motion. So with 13 teams, you need 10 votes to pass anything. Vinton and Federal only had to get 1 more no vote and it was a member of the Hocking that helped tip the scales.

Athens has the same pull as any other member of the TVC. As for what the other members of the TVC will vote for or against River Valley, BuckeyeCAV is in no position to say who will vote what way. If they get in, fine, but I seriously think Belpre and at least 2 more will not vote for it. But the TVC is known for doing what is not best of itself. With their record of 4-17 against the TVC Ohio since 2004. they don't bring alot to the table. Just a win for everybody in the TVC Ohio and maybe that is what the TVC wants. If so, then that is sad for the league.

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by BuckeyeCAV » Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:23 pm

theassassin wrote:
bluetraveler wrote:Mister B ,just for kicks i drove from Meigs HS to RV HS took 12 mins driving the sped limit with no traffic.Sorry life in Belpre is so crazy that 24 min round trip would make such a difference.


do you see any difference in rt 7 to cheshire and rt 7 to eastern hs?

ive driven that route a few times and dont see any difference between the two lane north or south of pomeroy.... imo mister b is grasping for straws


theassassin,

I think he is too. :lol:

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Post by BuckeyeCAV » Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:27 pm

NYBuckeye96 wrote:
theassassin wrote:
bluetraveler wrote:Mister B ,just for kicks i drove from Meigs HS to RV HS took 12 mins driving the sped limit with no traffic.Sorry life in Belpre is so crazy that 24 min round trip would make such a difference.


do you see any difference in rt 7 to cheshire and rt 7 to eastern hs?

ive driven that route a few times and dont see any difference between the two lane north or south of pomeroy.... imo mister b is grasping for straws


Eastern isn't a league game for Ohio Division schools, so that point is moot.

I do agree with Mister B that Route 7 is a much better drive north of Pomeroy than it is south of Pomeroy. But at the same time, River Valley isn't really that much farther down the road.

Personally, I would rather see Warren in the league than River Valley. But who knows what will happen. I think the real question is would either school make the jump if they were offered the spot? Or would either school approach the TVC on their own and request to join the league? One of those two scenarios would have to happen regardless of which school people prefer.


Warren already did last year.

I say no to Warren. And yes to RV. You have Athens, Alexander Meigs, VC and Wellston close to RV. I think N-Y would go along and Belpre would just have to get over their 44 mile drive. Rt. 7 is no worse on either side.

I hope the RV Raiders get in the TVC-Ohio :!:

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Post by NYBuckeye96 » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:04 pm

One thing I hate about the TVC is that it is always so secretive in everything it does. It takes forever for some all league teams to be announced to the media. The all sports trophy winner is never announced to the media. Expansion discussions are never talked about in the media until after the fact a vote has taken place.

Despite what happens, I don't think teams will leave the TVC. In the 40 year history of the league, only one team has ever left - Warren. And it would appear that Warren would jump at the chance to re-enter the league.

History has shown us that the TVC doesn't have teams that want to leave, rather, it shows us teams who jump at the chance to play in the league.

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Post by NYBuckeye96 » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:34 pm

The TVC was founded in 1969-70, however league play in football did not begin until the fall of 1970.

1969 original four members:
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Vinton County
Warren

In 1970, Nelsonville-York left the SEOAL to join the TVC as the fifth team. This was the TVC from 1970-1973:
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Nelsonville-York
Vinton County
Warren

In 1974, Alexander joined the TVC as the sixth team. This is what the TVC looked like from 1974-1977:
Alexander
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Nelsonville-York
Vinton County
Warren

In 1978, Trimble joined the TVC as the seventh team. This is what the TVC looked like from 1978-1981:
Alexander
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Nelsonville-York
Trimble
Vinton County
Warren

In 1982, Wellston left the SEOAL to join the TVC as the eighth team. This is what the TVC looked like in 1982:
Alexander
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Nelsonville-York
Trimble
Vinton County
Warren
Wellston

In 1983, the TVC started to get crowded. Meigs left the SEOAL to join the TVC and Miller was also added that same year giving the league 10 teams. 9 out of 10 football games were league games from 1983-1985:
Alexander
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Meigs
Miller
Nelsonville-York
Trimble
Vinton County
Warren
Wellston

In 1986, Warren left the TVC to join the SEOAL, bringing membership down to 9 schools from 1986-1992:
Alexander
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Meigs
Miller
Nelsonville-York
Trimble
Vinton County
Wellston

In 1993, the TVC split into two divisions - Ohio River Division and Hocking River Division. The word "River" was dropped after that season and they were referred to simply as TVC OHIO and TVC HOCKING after that point. Eastern and Southern were added as the tenth and eleventh schools at this time to make the TVC look like this from 1993-1996:

TVC OHIO:
Belpre
Meigs
Nelsonville-York
Vinton County
Wellston

TVC HOCKING:
Alexander
Eastern
Federal Hocking
Miller
Southern
Trimble

In 1997, Waterford was added as the 12th school, joining the HOCKING and bumping Alexander up to the OHIO. From 1997-2007, the TVC looked like this:

TVC OHIO:
Alexander
Belpre
Meigs
Nelsonville-York
Vinton County
Wellston

TVC HOCKING:
Eastern
Federal Hocking
Miller
Southern
Trimble
Waterford

In 2008, Athens left the SEOAL to join the TVC by becoming the 13th member. Which brings us to the current breakdown of the TVC:

TVC OHIO:
Alexander
Athens
Belpre
Meigs
Nelsonville-York
Vinton County
Wellston

TVC HOCKING:
Eastern
Federal Hocking
Miller
Southern
Trimble
Waterford

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Post by BuckeyeCAV » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:50 am

I know what you mean in. I doubt Wellston, VC and Meigs will say yes to Warren, as Mister B stated. Likewise, Jackson was attending the TVC Meetings there for a couple of years but it didn't help them. Even though Wellston and VC plays the Ironmen every year, they would not vote for Jackson to enter the TVC-Ohio. Jackson would become for the TVC-Ohio what Ironton was to the SEOAL in the 70's and early 80's.

I think since Crooksville from the MVL said no, the only option would be RV.

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Post by Do-Your-Job » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:09 am

BuckeyeCav --

What would you think about Chillicothe joining the TVC-Ohio? I look at Chilly a lot like I look at Vinton County. Solid basketball programs, yet mediocre in other sports. Both are D-II in basketball and D-III in football. Both are hit-and-miss in football. Chillicothe would've been embarrassed by state champion Alexander in volleyball in the TVC last year, so they would've had that in common with the Vikings. Neither team fielded much in baseball and softball last year. I doubt the Cavs would've wanted to tangle with Wellston in softball last year or with Meigs in baseball. I think Chillicothe would be a good addition to the TVC-Ohio and they might contend in a couple sports outside of basketball. Not sure if the golf or cross country teams would have anything on Athens. Football title might come down to Nelsonville-York and Chillicothe, they could be a good rivalry. With Chilly losing those seniors, my money would be on Arnold and company in at NY next year. If Chilly can travel to Portsmouth, they can travel to Alexander and Athens.

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by mister b » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:13 am

River Valley brings nothing to the table for the TVC Ohio.

Since 2004, their record against TVC Ohio teams is 1-14.

Athens 0-2

Alexander 1-3

Meigs 0-5

Nelsonville 0-4

Wellston and Meigs are ok with Warren. VC and FH are not.

I seriously doubt that Jackson ever attended any TVC meetings as you state. :roll:

Again I ask, why is River Valley such a good fit for the TVC other then being a rural school like Warren?

Answer please.

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Post by BuckeyeCAV » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:56 am

Mister B,

Again, you are only thinking Football. Instead of all sports. RV balances out in Volleyball, Basketball, Track and Field, Baseball and Softball.

Two, You are not looking at the whole picture. Instead you are thinking football only and not reviewing actually what Warren would do if they were in the TVC-Ohio in all other sports.

Three, yes Jackson was attending TVC meetings a few years ago, snooping around to see what their chances were to possibly get an open slot. This was when the SEOAL just lost RV and Point Plesent, WV was talking about leaving the SEOAL. And, Chillicothe by themselves, was initally petitioning the SEOAL to join.

Then AGAIN when the vote was coming up in 2004 for the SEOAL expansion, Jackson began to attend TVC Meetings as so-called observors. :roll: :lol:

I should know, and I'll leave it at that. ;-)

Right now, it's either RV or make Federal Hocking move up, it's the only choice at the moment for the TVC-Ohio to expand to 8 teams. :-D

Forget Vincent Warren Local who is a D3 School.

Forget Crooksville from the MVL who is a D5 School.

Either take a real review of the choices you have, make a choice between RV or FH or stay with 7 members and leave it at that.

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by BuckeyeCAV » Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:14 am

Do-Your-Job wrote:BuckeyeCav --

What would you think about Chillicothe joining the TVC-Ohio? I look at Chilly a lot like I look at Vinton County. Solid basketball programs, yet mediocre in other sports. Both are D-II in basketball and D-III in football. Both are hit-and-miss in football. Chillicothe would've been embarrassed by state champion Alexander in volleyball in the TVC last year, so they would've had that in common with the Vikings. Neither team fielded much in baseball and softball last year. I doubt the Cavs would've wanted to tangle with Wellston in softball last year or with Meigs in baseball. I think Chillicothe would be a good addition to the TVC-Ohio and they might contend in a couple sports outside of basketball. Not sure if the golf or cross country teams would have anything on Athens. Football title might come down to Nelsonville-York and Chillicothe, they could be a good rivalry. With Chilly losing those seniors, my money would be on Arnold and company in at NY next year. If Chilly can travel to Portsmouth, they can travel to Alexander and Athens.


Do-Your-Job,

No disrespect, but are you joking? You are to funny. If Chillicothe was in the TVC-Ohio they would rule in Volleyball, Football, Golf, and Cross Country in the Fall every year. Since the Rural TVC-Ohio does not compete in Boys or Girls Tennis and Boys and Girls Soccer the CAVS would have to be an independent. In the winter, they would rule in Basketball every year, both in Boys and Girls B-Ball. In wrestling at times, and since the Rural TVC-Ohio has no Swimming Team or Bowling Team, the CAVS would have to play independent in those sports too. In the Spring, our Baseball team would compete. As for the Softball, I would have to agree with you. Our Track and Field Team, both boys and Girls would rule every year.

Football and Basketball would be a joke for our CAVS to play in such a rural and weak Conference. What did Ironton do to your powerhouse on Nelsonville's field? What did Chillicothe do to Ironton? ;-)

What has Chillicothe done the past two years at the CONVO to your powerhouse VC in basketball? Please don't make me laugh. :roll: :lol:

There is no way in you know what that Chillicothe would ever think of joining the TVC-Ohio. Now for Jackson D2 who is one size larger than our CAVS D3 in football. I could see them jumping out of the SEOAL in a heartbeat, if you all offered them to place in your conference. Check their football schedules out every year. Wellston, Waverly and Vinton County. Then they wonder why they get beat by 40 plus points in football by Chillicothe, Ironton and Logan.

Be for real.

River Valley is the only option outside of Federal Hocking to move up in making the TVC-Ohio an eight member division.

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by mister b » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:27 am

BuckeyeCAV...

I really don't think you know anything. I think you just like to contradict.

If Warren came back to the TVC, which I don't think that will happen unless one school switches it vote, they would challange for the title in almost any sport. What sports would River Valley challange for a title in the TVC? I don't see where they would standout in any sport. I am sure their kids play hard but how do they do in their current conference every year? That is what you want from members of your conference, teams that challange the other teams programs to get better.

If you can give us an idea of how their teams do in the other sports you could make a case for them. But until then, your not putting up much of an argument.

Federal Hocking won't move up to the Ohio. That has already been proposed and discussed. Of course, you would already know that if you knew what you were talking about.

And South Gallia being added to the Hocking makes less sense then River Valley to the Ohio. Who wants to drive all the way to Mercerville? From Miller no less for every sport?

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by buckfan84 » Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:26 am

I guess I am wondering what the definition rural would be. As far as I can see, ALL leagues in SE Ohio are rural. Sure there are bigger towns like Chilly, Athens and Zanesville but SE Ohio is, always was and always will be rural.

BTW, Chillicothe would not rule in volleyball. Alexander is the cream of the crop in Vball and looks to be for several more years.

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by Joedirt » Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:45 am

Invite Oak Hill and put Oak Hill in the Ohio,put Belpre in Hocking.Oak Hill is close to most Ohio teams except NY and maybe Meigs.There you have it problem solved!! :-D

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by NYBuckeye96 » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:30 am

Oak Hill tried to join the TVC in the early '90's, but was turned down. Also, we can't move any team to the Hocking if a team is added to the Ohio. That is the whole point of expansion - to give the league 8 teams. Moving a team to the Hocking would give both divisions an odd number of teams which creates an even bigger mess.

I would think anyone from a SEOAL school would rather see RV in the TVC than Warren. If Warren leaves the SEOAL, Marietta wouldn't be far behind. I think Marietta in that scenerio would jump at the chance to join the new OVAC football league that Zanesville, Parkersburg South, etc. are forming. It's kind of like the domino effect. I think SEOAL fans would not want that instability and would rally behind RV joining the TVC to prevent that from happening.

So the question is......is adding RV to the TVC in the best interests of the TVC, or is it in the best interests of the SEOAL by not having yet another SEOAL school jump ship to the TVC?


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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by wildthingRV » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:46 am

What makes everyone so sure RV wants to go to the TVC?

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Re: Any teams mentioned for expanding the TVC-Ohio to 8?

Post by WHSwarrior » Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:31 pm

theassassin wrote:
Mister B wrote:Did I mention that Belpre is 4-3 against Warren in the last 7 years and we lead the series by about 8 games?

Did I also mention that Warren is rural school in southeastern Ohio?

Why is everyone so afraid of them?


.... and warrens record during that time is:
02 0-10
03 0-10
04 2-8
05 1-9
06 3-7 beat belpre
07 3-7 beat belpre
08 4-6 beat belpre


Thank you.

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