Logan is at a crossroad

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Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Paladin » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:08 am

Logan , in my opinion, is at a crossroad. The program has fallen on hard times, is without a league currently and is floundering under the current coach. Some recent history -- 2008 and 2009 Logan finished 10-0 and 11-1 overall, winning in the playoffs. In 2010 they went 3-7, in 2011 did 1-9 and in 2012 went 2-8. 2010 was ugly with wins over a Marietta 3-7 team, a Warren 5-5 team and Portsmouth 3-7. In 2011 the lone win was over a 6-4 Gallia team. In 2012 the 2 wins were a 1-9 Portsmouth team and a losing Chilli 4-6.

Beginning in 2013, a new regime begins and to date has produced an overall 24-23 record with 3 games to go in his 5th year. His first year , Logan went 6-4 but lost to a 3-7 Teays Valley team. In 2014, Logan was 5-5, including a 13-6 win over a 1-9 Warren Local. In 2015, he struck gold, going 8-2 while losing to DeSales and Jackson. Then in 2016, went 3-7 beating only a 2-8 Ross, 2-8 Warren and the miserable pups of Athens. Currently, Logan is 2-5 with 3 games to go.

Besides the record, some troubling things are happening. Players in the program are dropping out. In its long history, Logan had only lettered 4 Frosh but had 4 Frosh letterman last year. One of those was a middle LB at 5'10, 150. Add in a number of Soph starters and pair this with a schedule of multiple large Columbus suburban schools. Worse, the schedule has included a number of smaller school programs given the difficulty getting a schedule without a league. Yet, here again, Logan has not competed well. It would seem there is a problem.

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Orange and Brown » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:27 am

I think things need to change fast at Logan.
If coach Burke stays changes need made to the offense, and they need to put more emphasis on the freshman and jv teams.
From what little I have seen the last few years it seems like the kids aren't putting in the off-season work. Teams are simply faster and better conditioned than the chiefs.
Their are kids on the team who can make plays, their are kids in the hallways who should be playing football.
Hope things get better sooner than later.
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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by JacksonMayor » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:34 am

Orange and Brown wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:27 am
I think things need to change fast at Logan.
If coach Burke stays changes need made to the offense, and they need to put more emphasis on the freshman and jv teams.
From what little I have seen the last few years it seems like the kids aren't putting in the off-season work. Teams are simply faster and better conditioned than the chiefs.
Their are kids on the team who can make plays, their are kids in the hallways who should be playing football.
Hope things get better sooner than later.
Gosh with all the wisdom written in this thread so far I bet the Coach is hoping you guys post your phone numbers so he can hire you right now.

I havent seen Logan in person. I only watched them on film. They looked a little slow to me. If you have to letter a 5-10 150 linebacker that should tell you it isnt coaching its personnel. I get it. No one wants to blame the little timmys of the world. But sometimes you have to face reality. Past performance does not guarantee future success. Logan doesnt have the same players today they did a few years back. IMO you are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. How do you fit in that equation if your answer is to air your grievance on social media?

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by moonshine » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:39 am

Orange and Brown wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:27 am
I think things need to change fast at Logan.
If coach Burke stays changes need made to the offense, and they need to put more emphasis on the freshman and jv teams.
From what little I have seen the last few years it seems like the kids aren't putting in the off-season work. Teams are simply faster and better conditioned than the chiefs.
Their are kids on the team who can make plays, their are kids in the hallways who should be playing football.
Hope things get better sooner than later.
Bingo! 7th, 8th freshman and JV are the feeder system! Also they need to emphasis FLAG football in the 5th and 6th grade and deemphasize tackle football. Change with the assistances are needed! OC and DC needs to be upgraded and special teams must improve! And maybe it is time for the head Coach to go! :mrgreen:

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by thebarlowbandit » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:28 pm

Logan is on the right tract, scheduling Shadyside, NY, Minford and Meigs all 2, 3, 4, 5 divisions lower. Get rid of Dublin Jerome and pick up an Easter Beaver, or a Southeastern (having a great season).

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Orange and Brown » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:33 pm

moonshine wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:39 am
Orange and Brown wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:27 am
I think things need to change fast at Logan.
If coach Burke stays changes need made to the offense, and they need to put more emphasis on the freshman and jv teams.
From what little I have seen the last few years it seems like the kids aren't putting in the off-season work. Teams are simply faster and better conditioned than the chiefs.
Their are kids on the team who can make plays, their are kids in the hallways who should be playing football.
Hope things get better sooner than later.
Bingo! 7th, 8th freshman and JV are the feeder system! Also they need to emphasis FLAG football in the 5th and 6th grade and deemphasize tackle football. Change with the assistances are needed! OC and DC needs to be upgraded and special teams must improve! And maybe it is time for the head Coach to go! :mrgreen:
I wouldn't go so far as to say do away with tackle at the youth level but changes do need made to the youth program.
For couple years now I've talked about having flag football for _irst second and third grade and then ha e a 4th-6th grade being tackle_
Youth leagues need to spend more time emphasizing fundamentals and less time prioritizing wins,
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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by noreply66 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:48 pm

thebarlowbandit wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:28 pm
Logan is on the right tract, scheduling Shadyside, NY, Minford and Meigs all 2, 3, 4, 5 divisions lower. Get rid of Dublin Jerome and pick up an Easter Beaver, or a Southeastern (having a great season).
Logan has been to the play offs where Warren hasn't. You are telling Logan what they should do and you are from Warren. Get serious.....Mr. Never Been There. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Raider6309 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:54 pm

Logan's AD is awful. Schedule winnable games

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Poo Bear » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:58 pm

Agree raider . Logan should take a page out of Athens book and schedule 7-8 guaranteed wins . It will be hard as an independent however

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Orange and Brown » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:59 pm

Raider6309 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:54 pm
Logan's AD is awful. Schedule winnable games
I wouldn't say there ad is awful...........
It's hard to fill games when you have to schedule 10 of them and the coaches in each sport gets a say in scheduling as well.
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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by loganlocos » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:13 pm

Raider6309 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:54 pm
Logan's AD is awful. Schedule winnable games
Logan's AD is fantastic. One of the hardest working with the toughest jobs in the business.

You have NO idea what you are talking about (as usual).

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by cbolt » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:38 pm

JacksonMayor wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:34 am
Orange and Brown wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:27 am
I think things need to change fast at Logan.
If coach Burke stays changes need made to the offense, and they need to put more emphasis on the freshman and jv teams.
From what little I have seen the last few years it seems like the kids aren't putting in the off-season work. Teams are simply faster and better conditioned than the chiefs.
Their are kids on the team who can make plays, their are kids in the hallways who should be playing football.
Hope things get better sooner than later.
Gosh with all the wisdom written in this thread so far I bet the Coach is hoping you guys post your phone numbers so he can hire you right now.

I havent seen Logan in person. I only watched them on film. They looked a little slow to me. If you have to letter a 5-10 150 linebacker that should tell you it isnt coaching its personnel. I get it. No one wants to blame the little timmys of the world. But sometimes you have to face reality. Past performance does not guarantee future success. Logan doesnt have the same players today they did a few years back. IMO you are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. How do you fit in that equation if your answer is to air your grievance on social media?
Good post!

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by tric118 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:45 pm

Logan does have a great A.D. And as an independent it would be a nightmare to schedule teams. I was born in Logan and many of my cousins played sports in Logan and my Uncle was a big name Basketball coach for like 100 years it seems. I hate seeing Logan in such a tough rut. Best of luck. They do have some great people up there best of luck.

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Poo Bear » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:49 pm

I wish the FAC could bring in Logan for football only at least.

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Poo Bear » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:52 pm

Logan vs Jackson - natural rivalry
Logan vs courthouse - very competive
Logan vs Chillicothe- natural rivalry
Logan vs Hillsboro- 2 hard nosed programs
Logan vs Miami Trace - very similar
Logan vs greenfield - win for lost years but greenfield is a proud football community

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Raider6309 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:56 pm

Poo Bear wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:49 pm
I wish the FAC could bring in Logan for football only at least.
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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Poo Bear » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:59 pm

I just want to help our old seoal rival and friends logan. It's not fun or funny when kids suffer. Logan can't survive as an independant.

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Poo Bear » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:00 pm

The fac is going to be a very competitive league. Even the teams who are "down" have athletes and would beat most local teams . Logan would make it that much better

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by hannancoach » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:01 pm

Maybe a good thing to do would be to get back in the SEOAL with us. Have you seen the pics from our tournament of champions parade?

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Poo Bear » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:02 pm

hannancoach wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:01 pm
Maybe a good thing to do would be to get back in the SEOAL with us. Have you seen the pics from our tournament of champions parade?

The seoal makes too much sense . A local league with similar sized teams. No that can't work .

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by cbolt » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:05 pm

:lol:

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Chieftain2009 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:17 pm

Raider6309 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:54 pm
Logan's AD is awful. Schedule winnable games
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by wchreidman » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:32 pm

Poo Bear wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:49 pm
I wish the FAC could bring in Logan for football only at least.
I would say due to the travel time it would not happen. I could see some of the league teams competing with them but not see them added to the league just due to travel.

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Poo Bear » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:35 pm

wchreidman wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:32 pm
Poo Bear wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:49 pm
I wish the FAC could bring in Logan for football only at least.
I would say due to the travel time it would not happen. I could see some of the league teams competing with them but not see them added to the league just due to travel.
Just for football
Though. You make the trip to Logan every other year

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by hannancoach » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:38 pm

The new and improved SEOAL would include only schools with approximately the same number of kids per acres. Here is waht I propose:

Hannan
Logan
Vinton County
Warren
Racine Southern
Federal Hocking

thoughts?

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Truth&fiction » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:15 pm

Raider6309 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:54 pm
Logan's AD is awful. Schedule winnable games
Now you're throwing the AD under the bus . Why don't you go after the custodians and the cooks while you at it ?

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by noreply66 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:20 pm

Raider6309 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:54 pm
Logan's AD is awful. Schedule winnable games
You are two faced. One topic you talk about a certain schedule for Logan and in the next breath you say schedule winnable games. Which one is it..... oh Chief Two Face :?:
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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Chieftain Fan » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:24 pm

Chieftain2009 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:17 pm
Raider6309 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:54 pm
Logan's AD is awful. Schedule winnable games
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Agree 100% with you 2009, but that's not the first time Raider has misspoken . Logans AD does a great job !

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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Orange and Brown » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:25 pm

Chieftain Fan wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:24 pm
Chieftain2009 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:17 pm
Raider6309 wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:54 pm
Logan's AD is awful. Schedule winnable games
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Agree 100% with you 2009, but that's not the first time Raider has misspoken . Logans AD does a great job !
Misspoken?
No, he just doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by noreply66 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:26 pm

He never does.
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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by Paladin » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:31 pm

Having been an AD at a school not in a league, I know first hand the problems involved. Yet, that does not seem to be an issue when addressing the handling of the team since overall Logan should be competitive with most and only a decided underdog against a few teams. Playing former SEOAL members who fled to the TVC, for example or smaller division teams in Southern Ohio shouldn't be an issue. But............

I'd look elsewhere to ID changes that need to happen.
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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by TRENCHFOOT » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:58 pm

Paladin wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:31 pm
Logan should be competitive with most and only a decided underdog against a few teams.
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Post by cbolt » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:09 pm

:lol: :o

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Post by TRENCHFOOT » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:15 pm

cbolt wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:09 pm
:lol: :o
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Re: Logan is at a crossroad

Post by dazed&confused » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:25 pm

Let's be serious for a minute. Logan isn't going to compete with the Dublins of the world. They should be more than competitive with Sheridan and Athens. They should blow out teams like Meigs and Minford. 6-4 is not unrealistic every year.
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