2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by TCat » Wed May 23, 2018 12:31 pm

Was told a few middle school players were transferring in open enrollment.

With the more penalties for transferring at the high school level players are tranferring earlier. Rules seem to be much more relaxed in middle school as far as transferring.



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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by wobycat » Wed May 23, 2018 12:38 pm

They may. I think they will happen earlier but burg has to be full by now.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Proud_Pirate63 » Wed May 23, 2018 2:31 pm

There’s always unlimited space at our Super Secret Training Facility under Ed Miller Stadium. Lol

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by rxburgfan » Wed May 23, 2018 4:26 pm

Proud_Pirate63 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 2:31 pm
There’s always unlimited space at our Super Secret Training Facility under Ed Miller Stadium. Lol
Absolutely. Always room for one more footballer or basketball star. It’s like magic. Need a spot. There’s a spot open.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by TCat » Wed May 23, 2018 5:48 pm

If they're good they'll find room for them.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Injun » Thu May 24, 2018 9:26 am

The League will probably resemble last year. With Waverly loosing alot of their skill I think the gap from the top 2 to the rest probably got bigger. I think Valley will be improved. I could see them competing for the 3rd spot.
1. Wheelersburg
2. West
3. Valley
4. Waverly
5. Minford

As far as the middle school kids. I know two of the kids that are rumored and I think they are making a mistake. They are good players for sure. But they also play in excellent classes currently from good schools. I have been told a few things that makes it appear that one county school opporates in the grey area. This is a problem that the OHSAA needs to address

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by smurray » Thu May 24, 2018 2:20 pm

Injun wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 9:26 am
The League will probably resemble last year. With Waverly loosing alot of their skill I think the gap from the top 2 to the rest probably got bigger. I think Valley will be improved. I could see them competing for the 3rd spot.
1. Wheelersburg
2. West
3. Valley
4. Waverly
5. Minford

As far as the middle school kids. I know two of the kids that are rumored and I think they are making a mistake. They are good players for sure. But they also play in excellent classes currently from good schools. I have been told a few things that makes it appear that one county school opporates in the grey area. This is a problem that the OHSAA needs to address
Don't look for Waverly to drop to 4. If the O-line is good they have the skill kids to put points on the board. Look for the defense to be better....

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Oak » Thu May 24, 2018 2:29 pm

TCat wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:48 pm
If they're good they'll find room for them.
As true as this statement is, this stuff is exactly why amateur sports are going down the crapper fast.

12 to 15 year olds being treated like primadonnas, parents living through their kids, and schools pushing the limits of what is ethical/unethical.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Kicker. » Thu May 24, 2018 4:04 pm

I do believe Burg has this in the bag as of now however the rest is up in the air
1.Burg
2.West
3.Waverly
4.Minford
5.Valley
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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by TCat » Thu May 24, 2018 5:51 pm

Oak wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 2:29 pm
TCat wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:48 pm
If they're good they'll find room for them.
As true as this statement is, this stuff is exactly why amateur sports are going down the crapper fast.

12 to 15 year olds being treated like primadonnas, parents living through their kids, and schools pushing the limits of what is ethical/unethical.
I was being sarcastic. But you are right the open enrollment stuff is getting out of hand.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Injun » Thu May 24, 2018 7:05 pm

TCat wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 5:51 pm
Oak wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 2:29 pm
TCat wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:48 pm
If they're good they'll find room for them.
As true as this statement is, this stuff is exactly why amateur sports are going down the crapper fast.

12 to 15 year olds being treated like primadonnas, parents living through their kids, and schools pushing the limits of what is ethical/unethical.
I was being sarcastic. But you are right the open enrollment stuff is getting out of hand.
If teams would just stick together we could produce quality teams here. Buts it difficult when one school constantly gets some of the better players from different schools in different sports male and female.

The kid from Valley is a really good baseball player. But also good at other sports. His team won the junior high tournament in basketball, was good in baseball without him, and is very good in football. Valley boys put Wheelersburg out of the baseball tournament and is playing tonight, but he's supposedly still gonna drive to go to Wheelersburg to play baseball. Kinda difficult to understand.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by BigBlueNation » Thu May 24, 2018 9:22 pm

Injun wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 7:05 pm
TCat wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 5:51 pm
Oak wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 2:29 pm


As true as this statement is, this stuff is exactly why amateur sports are going down the crapper fast.

12 to 15 year olds being treated like primadonnas, parents living through their kids, and schools pushing the limits of what is ethical/unethical.
I was being sarcastic. But you are right the open enrollment stuff is getting out of hand.
If teams would just stick together we could produce quality teams here. Buts it difficult when one school constantly gets some of the better players from different schools in different sports male and female.

The kid from Valley is a really good baseball player. But also good at other sports. His team won the junior high tournament in basketball, was good in baseball without him, and is very good in football. Valley boys put Wheelersburg out of the baseball tournament and is playing tonight, but he's supposedly still gonna drive to go to Wheelersburg to play baseball. Kinda difficult to understand.
I believe the Young man lives in the Northwest school district doesn't he.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Injun » Thu May 24, 2018 11:44 pm

BigBlueNation wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 9:22 pm
I believe the Young man lives in the Northwest school district doesn't he.
Yes. But he has always went to Valley as far as I know.

The other kid is from West. From what I was told they signed up together the last day of open enrollment. Problem is the West kid has a younger brother who is gonna be a 7th grader and that class is full at Wheelersburg and there is a list. So will Wheelersburg bypass kids in line for open enrollment to get the brother? We will see. I was told that the Wheelersburg administration has already been contacted concerning possible improper contact with at least one of these kids.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by wobycat » Fri May 25, 2018 6:43 am

Injun wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 11:44 pm
BigBlueNation wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 9:22 pm
I believe the Young man lives in the Northwest school district doesn't he.
Yes. But he has always went to Valley as far as I know.

The other kid is from West. From what I was told they signed up together the last day of open enrollment. Problem is the West kid has a younger brother who is gonna be a 7th grader and that class is full at Wheelersburg and there is a list. So will Wheelersburg bypass kids in line for open enrollment to get the brother? We will see. I was told that the Wheelersburg administration has already been contacted concerning possible improper contact with at least one of these kids.
Again, you just can’t say “improper contact”. No one knows what you mean. If you’re going to make these statements at least clarify who, what,or when.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by toast » Fri May 25, 2018 7:29 am

I can see all of this being the beginning of the end of the SOC 2. So Wheelersburg is getting the Jr. High kid from Valley that is outstanding in several sports. And the Jr. High kid from Portsmouth West that may be the best multi sports athlete in southern Ohio. I've heard the are also getting Minford's best Jr. High football player.

How long does West, Minford, Waverly and Valley want to sick around in a conference where you will have zero change of winning a league championship and very little chance of ever playing a competitive game against Wheelersburg in any sport? It's not a situation that is healthy or enjoyable for anyone.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Bleeding Red » Fri May 25, 2018 9:03 am

Kicker. wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 4:04 pm
I do believe Burg has this in the bag as of now however the rest is up in the air
1.Burg
2.West
3.Waverly
4.Minford
5.Valley
I agree with this. Minford is a dumpster fire which was evident in last years loss to Logan while blowing a huge (28 pt?) lead in the second half. Add in the parents calling the shots and fingers need to be pointed this year as the Ruby honeymoon is over. Lewis should be the QB. Last year vs West he made catch after catch from the slot position and the following week never saw the field at WR. That pretty much sums it up.

Valley should be equal to Minford in talent but their solid coaching staff will prevail.

That leaves the 3 Ws and I see it as Burg, West and Waverly in that order at the top.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Oak » Fri May 25, 2018 10:56 am

toast wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 7:29 am
I can see all of this being the beginning of the end of the SOC 2. So Wheelersburg is getting the Jr. High kid from Valley that is outstanding in several sports. And the Jr. High kid from Portsmouth West that may be the best multi sports athlete in southern Ohio. I've heard the are also getting Minford's best Jr. High football player.

How long does West, Minford, Waverly and Valley want to sick around in a conference where you will have zero change of winning a league championship and very little chance of ever playing a competitive game against Wheelersburg in any sport? It's not a situation that is healthy or enjoyable for anyone.
Ageed 100%
They recruit. They are very careful with how they do it. If voting them out of the league is the way to stop it then do it. Make them go out of this area to find games.

Now will be all the replies from Wheelersburg fans that they don't recruit. They don’t have to. Blah blah blah. Well you do. Most of your better players are from out of district. And anyone that's lived in this area knows and has seen it. It's 2018, the age of social media. There are no secrets anymore. If these transfers go through you can bet the OHSAA will be involved.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by art_vandelay » Fri May 25, 2018 12:00 pm

Not a Burg fan here, but if anybody got proof of recruiting by Burg, then submit it to the OHSAA. Otherwise, saying "everybody knows it" means nobody truly knows it.

New Boston basketball last year was how the process works. People accused them of underhanded tactics and submitted their proof to OHSAA who ruled accordingly. If Burg as guilty as some of you imply, it should be an easy one for the OHSAA.*

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by fbnut » Fri May 25, 2018 2:39 pm

Oak wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 10:56 am
toast wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 7:29 am
I can see all of this being the beginning of the end of the SOC 2. So Wheelersburg is getting the Jr. High kid from Valley that is outstanding in several sports. And the Jr. High kid from Portsmouth West that may be the best multi sports athlete in southern Ohio. I've heard the are also getting Minford's best Jr. High football player.

How long does West, Minford, Waverly and Valley want to sick around in a conference where you will have zero change of winning a league championship and very little chance of ever playing a competitive game against Wheelersburg in any sport? It's not a situation that is healthy or enjoyable for anyone.
Ageed 100%
They recruit. They are very careful with how they do it. If voting them out of the league is the way to stop it then do it. Make them go out of this area to find games.

Now will be all the replies from Wheelersburg fans that they don't recruit. They don’t have to. Blah blah blah. Well you do. Most of your better players are from out of district. And anyone that's lived in this area knows and has seen it. It's 2018, the age of social media. There are no secrets anymore. If these transfers go through you can bet the OHSAA will be involved.
Well ok, they don’t recruit, they don’t have to :lol:

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by bleed_blue » Fri May 25, 2018 3:18 pm

Oak wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 10:56 am
toast wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 7:29 am
I can see all of this being the beginning of the end of the SOC 2. So Wheelersburg is getting the Jr. High kid from Valley that is outstanding in several sports. And the Jr. High kid from Portsmouth West that may be the best multi sports athlete in southern Ohio. I've heard the are also getting Minford's best Jr. High football player.

How long does West, Minford, Waverly and Valley want to sick around in a conference where you will have zero change of winning a league championship and very little chance of ever playing a competitive game against Wheelersburg in any sport? It's not a situation that is healthy or enjoyable for anyone.
Ageed 100%
They recruit. They are very careful with how they do it. If voting them out of the league is the way to stop it then do it. Make them go out of this area to find games.

Now will be all the replies from Wheelersburg fans that they don't recruit. They don’t have to. Blah blah blah. Well you do. Most of your better players are from out of district. And anyone that's lived in this area knows and has seen it. It's 2018, the age of social media. There are no secrets anymore. If these transfers go through you can bet the OHSAA will be involved.
I see the troll has emerged yet again. So the solution to Wheelersburg’s so called recruiting is they should be kicked out of the league. I guess the same should be done with Oak Hill basketball as well.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by JTEK » Fri May 25, 2018 3:23 pm

bleed_blue wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 3:18 pm
Oak wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 10:56 am
toast wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 7:29 am
I can see all of this being the beginning of the end of the SOC 2. So Wheelersburg is getting the Jr. High kid from Valley that is outstanding in several sports. And the Jr. High kid from Portsmouth West that may be the best multi sports athlete in southern Ohio. I've heard the are also getting Minford's best Jr. High football player.

How long does West, Minford, Waverly and Valley want to sick around in a conference where you will have zero change of winning a league championship and very little chance of ever playing a competitive game against Wheelersburg in any sport? It's not a situation that is healthy or enjoyable for anyone.
Ageed 100%
They recruit. They are very careful with how they do it. If voting them out of the league is the way to stop it then do it. Make them go out of this area to find games.

Now will be all the replies from Wheelersburg fans that they don't recruit. They don’t have to. Blah blah blah. Well you do. Most of your better players are from out of district. And anyone that's lived in this area knows and has seen it. It's 2018, the age of social media. There are no secrets anymore. If these transfers go through you can bet the OHSAA will be involved.
I see the troll has emerged yet again. So the solution to Wheelersburg’s so called recruiting is they should be kicked out of the league. I guess the same should be done with Oak Hill basketball as well.
No, that’s totally different

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Oak » Fri May 25, 2018 4:11 pm

And here they are, right on time :lol:

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Injun » Fri May 25, 2018 5:46 pm

toast wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 7:29 am
I can see all of this being the beginning of the end of the SOC 2. So Wheelersburg is getting the Jr. High kid from Valley that is outstanding in several sports. And the Jr. High kid from Portsmouth West that may be the best multi sports athlete in southern Ohio. I've heard the are also getting Minford's best Jr. High football player.

How long does West, Minford, Waverly and Valley want to sick around in a conference where you will have zero change of winning a league championship and very little chance of ever playing a competitive game against Wheelersburg in any sport? It's not a situation that is healthy or enjoyable for anyone.
I had not heard about the Minford kid. I was told the best athlete at Minford turned them down as did the big center from South Webster.
Word is a former local Varsity basketball coach was called to gage interest in coaching basketball at burg. He wasn’t interested. But he was told of the influx of talent when they reached out to him.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Jolly P(irate) » Fri May 25, 2018 8:30 pm

Oak wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 10:56 am
toast wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 7:29 am
I can see all of this being the beginning of the end of the SOC 2. So Wheelersburg is getting the Jr. High kid from Valley that is outstanding in several sports. And the Jr. High kid from Portsmouth West that may be the best multi sports athlete in southern Ohio. I've heard the are also getting Minford's best Jr. High football player.

How long does West, Minford, Waverly and Valley want to sick around in a conference where you will have zero change of winning a league championship and very little chance of ever playing a competitive game against Wheelersburg in any sport? It's not a situation that is healthy or enjoyable for anyone.
Ageed 100%
They recruit. They are very careful with how they do it. If voting them out of the league is the way to stop it then do it. Make them go out of this area to find games.

Now will be all the replies from Wheelersburg fans that they don't recruit. They don’t have to. Blah blah blah. Well you do. Most of your better players are from out of district. And anyone that's lived in this area knows and has seen it. It's 2018, the age of social media. There are no secrets anymore. If these transfers go through you can bet the OHSAA will be involved.
Vote Burg out? Haha. Please, do us the favor. Lmao

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Injun » Fri May 25, 2018 10:41 pm

It will come to a point that the other schools will have no choice. That or the other School AD's need to threaten them with it. It's hard to compete with private schools. Wheelersburg should know that from Bishop Hartley in football and basketball this year. In fact burg fans were upset because of the team that knocked them out at the convo is no different than they are.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Kicker. » Fri May 25, 2018 11:05 pm

Realistically I do not see the SOC voting out Burg. What conference would they even join that would make sense? The OVC is the only one that comes to mind and makes sense
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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Injun » Fri May 25, 2018 11:52 pm

Kicker. wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 11:05 pm
Realistically I do not see the SOC voting out Burg. What conference would they even join that would make sense? The OVC is the only one that comes to mind and makes sense
Wheelersburg is a good draw economically but the playing field in it's current state isn't level or fair to the other member schools.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Jolly P(irate) » Sat May 26, 2018 12:02 am

Kicker. wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 11:05 pm
Realistically I do not see the SOC voting out Burg. What conference would they even join that would make sense? The OVC is the only one that comes to mind and makes sense
I don’t either. Given the gates that Burg brings. That would be an ignorant move.

But realistically, Everyone wants to blame Burg for some reason. Like they are at fault for being a successful school district. Lol. How is it their fault. Burg has won 32 conference titles beginning in ‘72. Have they been recruiting all this time? You would think by now the OHSAA would have caught on to it. They’ve won 2 State Championships. They are the successful program that every kids wants to be a part of. So be it. The only recruiting they do is on the football field. When kids get sick of getting beat and want to win, what do you think they would do? Burg has a head coach that has built this program to what it is now. Kids notice that too. They don’t want to settle for average. Nor should they have to. Life will be full of decisions like these. Whether you quit a job for a better opportunity or change schools for a better opportunity. It’s the same thing. If you are content with average, good for you. These kids are making the decisions not us, not Burg or their previous school. They want better and they have that right.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Injun » Sat May 26, 2018 12:34 am

A couple of the middle school kids mentioned here to my knowledge have never lost to Wheelersburg in football or basketball. In fact the scores I've seen have been very one sided wins against Wheelersburg. So loosing or the threat of loosing isn't it.

I thought it was funny that one of the kids mentioned here wants to play a certain position in football and his father told people he was told he would have an opportunity to play that position at Wheelersburg. Wonder where that info came from? But they don't recruit :roll:

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by wobycat » Sat May 26, 2018 8:37 am

Injun wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 12:34 am
A couple of the middle school kids mentioned here to my knowledge have never lost to Wheelersburg in football or basketball. In fact the scores I've seen have been very one sided wins against Wheelersburg. So loosing or the threat of loosing isn't it.

I thought it was funny that one of the kids mentioned here wants to play a certain position in football and his father told people he was told he would have an opportunity to play that position at Wheelersburg. Wonder where that info came from? But they don't recruit :roll:
When I was in junior high, we got beat by north west. Then beat them pretty good in high school. Junior high is the worst indication of high school success. Blame the parents that want them to move. Start calling them out.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Kicker. » Sat May 26, 2018 10:41 am

Injun wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 11:52 pm
Kicker. wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 11:05 pm
Realistically I do not see the SOC voting out Burg. What conference would they even join that would make sense? The OVC is the only one that comes to mind and makes sense
Wheelersburg is a good draw economically but the playing field in it's current state isn't level or fair to the other member schools.
For just football yes but across all sports it's not like Burg is dominating the field year in and year and year out
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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by fbnut » Sat May 26, 2018 3:43 pm

Kicker. wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 10:41 am
Injun wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 11:52 pm
Kicker. wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 11:05 pm
Realistically I do not see the SOC voting out Burg. What conference would they even join that would make sense? The OVC is the only one that comes to mind and makes sense
Wheelersburg is a good draw economically but the playing field in it's current state isn't level or fair to the other member schools.
For just football yes but across all sports it's not like Burg is dominating the field year in and year and year out
Not this year but the last 10 or so years baseball has been pretty dominant
Last 4-5 years softball seems to have it going also

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by TCat » Sat May 26, 2018 9:26 pm

wobycat wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 8:37 am
Injun wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 12:34 am
A couple of the middle school kids mentioned here to my knowledge have never lost to Wheelersburg in football or basketball. In fact the scores I've seen have been very one sided wins against Wheelersburg. So loosing or the threat of loosing isn't it.

I thought it was funny that one of the kids mentioned here wants to play a certain position in football and his father told people he was told he would have an opportunity to play that position at Wheelersburg. Wonder where that info came from? But they don't recruit :roll:
When I was in junior high, we got beat by north west. Then beat them pretty good in high school. Junior high is the worst indication of high school success. Blame the parents that want them to move. Start calling them out.
Sounds like alot of blame to go around. Parents have to protect the kids. But kids are impressionable and if this stuff is happening it is a bad look on the school. If it was 1 or 2 kids transferring it would be different, but when you have this many really good players transfer in at one time it's hard not to think something may be up. I've heard as many as 6 players total open enrollment. I could see where other fanbases would be upset.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by Oak » Sun May 27, 2018 9:27 pm

TCat wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 9:26 pm
Sounds like alot of blame to go around. Parents have to protect the kids. But kids are impressionable and if this stuff is happening it is a bad look on the school. If it was 1 or 2 kids transferring it would be different, but when you have this many really good players transfer in at one time it's hard not to think something may be up. I've heard as many as 6 players total open enrollment. I could see where other fanbases would be upset.
4 to 6 players in one class in one year? No we don't recruit :roll:

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

Post by wobycat » Sun May 27, 2018 10:20 pm

Oak wrote:
Sun May 27, 2018 9:27 pm
TCat wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 9:26 pm
Sounds like alot of blame to go around. Parents have to protect the kids. But kids are impressionable and if this stuff is happening it is a bad look on the school. If it was 1 or 2 kids transferring it would be different, but when you have this many really good players transfer in at one time it's hard not to think something may be up. I've heard as many as 6 players total open enrollment. I could see where other fanbases would be upset.
4 to 6 players in one class in one year? No we don't recruit :roll:
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