2018 SOC 2 Football Offseason Talk and Outlook

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 OUTLOOK?

Post by greygoose » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:15 pm

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Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:03 am
West wasn't at full strength when they played Wheelersburg this year. West didn't have much depth. When Berry went down a large part of the offense went with him. He is special. If anyone watched the first scrimmage at Zane Trace before McNeil got hurt, you saw how much he changed the offense too. Both are also excellent linebackers, and when you run a 4-4 that is important. It's nice to say next man up, but when you don't have alot of depth, two players of that caliber are huge losses.
Those guys are back, plus the Quarterback, tailback, fullback, tight end, ex. West may be better this year than last.
I applaud you for your west backing, but to think a 34 point gap was going to be closed by 1 player is a bit outlandish. I do have a question though because looking at a couple post you've said now. You mentioned in 1 that West returns 8-9 kids who have started games on defense, so how many full time starters did they get back on defense??? In this one you mention they return the entire backfield and the TE. So what do they return/lose on the o-line and d-line?? Because the way you're writing up stuff sounds like West is returning a BUNCH of starters from last years team. Thanks for the info, not bashing on who you have back or anything just getting some clarity on where West might stand. I mean if you're replacing 2/3 offensive and defensive lines that could pose a problem only time will tell on that one. Thanks



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Re: 2018 SOC 2 OUTLOOK?

Post by Westfan » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:40 pm

greygoose wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:15 pm
Westfan wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:03 am
West wasn't at full strength when they played Wheelersburg this year. West didn't have much depth. When Berry went down a large part of the offense went with him. He is special. If anyone watched the first scrimmage at Zane Trace before McNeil got hurt, you saw how much he changed the offense too. Both are also excellent linebackers, and when you run a 4-4 that is important. It's nice to say next man up, but when you don't have alot of depth, two players of that caliber are huge losses.
Those guys are back, plus the Quarterback, tailback, fullback, tight end, ex. West may be better this year than last.
I applaud you for your west backing, but to think a 34 point gap was going to be closed by 1 player is a bit outlandish. I do have a question though because looking at a couple post you've said now. You mentioned in 1 that West returns 8-9 kids who have started games on defense, so how many full time starters did they get back on defense??? In this one you mention they return the entire backfield and the TE. So what do they return/lose on the o-line and d-line?? Because the way you're writing up stuff sounds like West is returning a BUNCH of starters from last years team. Thanks for the info, not bashing on who you have back or anything just getting some clarity on where West might stand. I mean if you're replacing 2/3 offensive and defensive lines that could pose a problem only time will tell on that one. Thanks
The offensive line was all seniors. That will be the toughest to replace. But there 3 or 4 that have played including a couple who have played alot of defensive tackle. Lost Staggs at receiver. He really stepped up after Berry went down. I think team speed will be better and West will be more skilled. Maybe not as power run oriented.

Defense lost both ends, 1 tackle, and 1 corner off the starters before the injuries. But they always rotate alot of guys so alot have played.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 OUTLOOK?

Post by greygoose » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:13 am

WOW, that's a pretty big gap to fill when you lose your entire line. Especially given the success in the run game you guys had, also figuring some of that o-line was your d-line as well. So West is going to be questionable in the trenches at least to start the season, that's one of the areas where until the games start coming won't really know how the boys will adjust. Knowing that really can't give the nod to West closing the gap on Burg.
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2.WEST
3.Waverly
4.Minford
5.Valley
Honestly 3-4-5 could be flipped in any order given the unknown of each team, can Waverly replace what they lost effectively, can Minford take a step forward after an up and down 2017 season, does Valley have the talent to try and get back to at least a .500 ball club?? Even with Burg and West does Burg get couple rumored guys move in, does Boehm from P-town go to West which is one thing I've heard??? AHHHH so many questions and long time till we get the answers.

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by stokers » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:31 pm

how will green be

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by seopcommenter » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:59 pm

minfort wins some games

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 OUTLOOK?

Post by Football fan » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:04 am

The Ironton tribune is reporting with the adding of saint joe in 2019 that oak hill and eastern are moving up to full time SOC d2 in all sports due to the fact western is fielding football which is awesome but makes me wonder if Manchester backed out or was denied entry

Boehm isn’t that good of a lineman gets ate up by good defenses West would be a perfect fit for him

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 OUTLOOK?

Post by greygoose » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:58 am

Football fan wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:04 am
The Ironton tribune is reporting with the adding of saint joe in 2019 that oak hill and eastern are moving up to full time SOC d2 in all sports due to the fact western is fielding football which is awesome but makes me wonder if Manchester backed out or was denied entry

Boehm isn’t that good of a lineman gets ate up by good defenses West would be a perfect fit for him
I read the article and really find it a bit strange, Saint Joe doesn't have football. Eastern is currently a DVII school and while I have heard about them moving up to DVI, why would they choose to move a small DVI/big DVII school move up to playing SOC 2 and leave a DV school Northwest down in the smaller school bracket? Seems like that's a bit backwards in expecting Eastern to compete with the likes of the SOC 2 league. They're not running wild in SOC 1, man I really hope that is rethought doesn't seem like it improves either league by such a move.

From what I was hearing I don't believe Manchester was looking for a long-term fit in the SOC. Not with a few of the schools in the area starting up football. Manchester also has funding issues so who knows, can't see the SOC turning them down because they were already playing a SOC 1 schedule for the most part.

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 OUTLOOK?

Post by Football fan » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:12 pm

Read daily times article makes way more since then Ironton as for football eastern isn’t moving

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Eastern
Western
Nw
Nd
Green
East
Sv

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Burg
West
Oh
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Minford
Valley

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Re: 2018 SOC 2 OUTLOOK?

Post by greygoose » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:27 pm

Football fan wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:12 pm
Read daily times article makes way more since then Ironton as for football eastern isn’t moving

SOC 1
Eastern
Western
Nw
Nd
Green
East
Sv

SOC 2
Burg
West
Oh
Waverly
Minford
Valley
Correct Eastern isn't moving in football even though the article said they were in all sports. OH isn't moving until the 2019 season so you'll have to adjust your predictions

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Seabee_0586 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:43 pm

stokers wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:31 pm
how will green be
Green will have a lot of seniors and juniors
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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Proud_Pirate63 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:46 pm

Seabee_0586 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:43 pm
stokers wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:31 pm
how will green be
Green will have a lot of seniors and juniors
All 8 of them!! Lol. Sorry couldn’t resist. I honestly hope Green’s numbers improve. Hate to see their program in the state that it is right now.

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Seabee_0586 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:48 pm

Well if burg would give up some players from open enrollment it would be appreciated
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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Proud_Pirate63 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:50 pm

I’m sure it would but that’s ok, we’ll keep em.

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Seabee_0586 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:52 pm

Proud_Pirate63 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:50 pm
I’m sure it would but that’s ok, we’ll keep em.
I figured got to stay on top somehow lol
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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by scott1297 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:47 pm

Seabee_0586 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:52 pm
Proud_Pirate63 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:50 pm
I’m sure it would but that’s ok, we’ll keep em.
I figured got to stay on top somehow lol
It's funny how some people hate a winner! :lol:
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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Seabee_0586 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:44 am

scott1297 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:47 pm
Seabee_0586 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:52 pm
Proud_Pirate63 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:50 pm
I’m sure it would but that’s ok, we’ll keep em.
I figured got to stay on top somehow lol
It's funny how some people hate a winner! :lol:
I’m not a hater I’m just poking a little fun get it right man
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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by scott1297 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:16 pm

Seabee_0586 wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:44 am
scott1297 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:47 pm
Seabee_0586 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:52 pm


I figured got to stay on top somehow lol
It's funny how some people hate a winner! :lol:
I’m not a hater I’m just poking a little fun get it right man
Well I am pretty sure that Burg only had 2 boys that came to Burg via open enrollment after their freshmen year Lowery and Sowards everyone else played junior high for Burg.
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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Seabee_0586 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:45 pm

Count the boys that live in franklin furnace township that go to burg
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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by bleed_blue » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:34 am

Seabee_0586 wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:45 pm
Count the boys that live in franklin furnace township that go to burg
And count how many of those kids have gone to Wheelersburg well before hey started playing pee wee. As it has been stated only 2 kids that played on this years team came after Jr High.

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Oak » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:13 am

bleed_blue wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:34 am
Seabee_0586 wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:45 pm
Count the boys that live in franklin furnace township that go to burg
And count how many of those kids have gone to Wheelersburg well before hey started playing pee wee. As it has been stated only 2 kids that played on this years team came after Jr High.
What does it matter when they came? Basically a quarter of Wheelersburg's football roster is open enrollment

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Seabee_0586 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:00 pm

I don’t know why anyone would want to stand on the sidelines and not get to play
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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by bleed_blue » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:56 pm

Oak wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:13 am
bleed_blue wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:34 am
Seabee_0586 wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:45 pm
Count the boys that live in franklin furnace township that go to burg
And count how many of those kids have gone to Wheelersburg well before hey started playing pee wee. As it has been stated only 2 kids that played on this years team came after Jr High.
What does it matter when they came? Basically a quarter of Wheelersburg's football roster is open enrollment
Because everyone wants to whine about Wheelersburg having transfers when in fact most have gone to Wheelersburg for a majority of if not their entire educational career.

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Seabee_0586 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:25 pm

BUT THEY LIVE IN OTHER DISTRICTS ARE YOU STUPID
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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Seabee_0586 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:26 pm

They should play where they live
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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by bleed_blue » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:35 pm

Seabee_0586 wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:25 pm
BUT THEY LIVE IN OTHER DISTRICTS ARE YOU STUPID
ARE YOU STUPID HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE TRANSFERED FROM OTHER SCHOOL AND HOW MANY HAVE BEEN GOING TO WHEELERSBURG SINCE THEY WERE YOUNG KIDS? I can get all dramatic too and use caps. How many of those that live in the Franklin Furnace school district have every went to Green?

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by fbnut » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:03 pm

Your gripes are against OHSAA not any one school

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Proud_Pirate63 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:54 pm

Seabee_0586 wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:00 pm
I don’t know why anyone would want to stand on the sidelines and not get to play
Actually this season, about 50 kids recorded a tackle in a varsity game. That is out of about 85 kids on the roster and doesn’t even count the kids that played in a game but did not record a tackle. Considering about 20 on the roster we’re freshman(they used to not dress for varsity games), that is a lot of kids playing. Also, 9 out of 10 regular season games were running clocks so that gives your reserves plenty of game experience. You should take into account the freshman games, JV games, and varsity mop up duty. Sounds like a good chance you are going to play somewhere. The player who scored the game tying TD in the state title game was a sophomore. Motto at Burg is best kid plays. Look at the change in QB this year.

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by JTEK » Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:06 am

Seabee_0586 wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:00 pm
I don’t know why anyone would want to stand on the sidelines and not get to play
And that’s why I’m guessing the burg would not be a place for you or if you have kids your children.
There are kids at the burg that sacrifice for the betterment of the team. That’s why they are who they are. Kids that don’t buy in and are me players or don’t want to put in the work the burg coaches expect are better off somewhere else. There are some very good athletes that have left the burg because they could not buy into the burg way.

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by BurgGrad6 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:31 pm

Seabee_0586 wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:00 pm
I don’t know why anyone would want to stand on the sidelines and not get to play
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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by BurgGrad6 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:34 pm

Seabee_0586 wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:26 pm
They should play where they live
So a kid that lives out 522 in Franklin frurnace but closer to burg should have to go to and play for green? That is stupid. Let's hinder a kid academically and athletically because he lives in another school district!

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Oak » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:06 pm

BurgGrad6 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:34 pm
Seabee_0586 wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:26 pm
They should play where they live
So a kid that lives out 522 in Franklin frurnace but closer to burg should have to go to and play for green? That is stupid. Let's hinder a kid academically and athletically because he lives in another school district!
No with open enrollment they should be able to go to any school they want as long as that school hasn't exceeded the number of students in that grade that they can support. If you want to go to that school put your name on a list and openings should be filled based on first come first serve. That would mean if Billy the trombone player wants to go to Wheelersburg and they have room, he should have the same opportunity as Jimmie the great athlete. That would be fair. But that doesn't happen

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Mad-Dogg » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:33 pm

JTEK wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:06 am
Seabee_0586 wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:00 pm
I don’t know why anyone would want to stand on the sidelines and not get to play
And that’s why I’m guessing the burg would not be a place for you or if you have kids your children.
There are kids at the burg that sacrifice for the betterment of the team. That’s why they are who they are. Kids that don’t buy in and are me players or don’t want to put in the work the burg coaches expect are better off somewhere else. There are some very good athletes that have left the burg because they could not buy into the burg way.
this is just me but i'd rather stand on the sidelines and not play much and get a ring or at least see a couple playoff games each season than play for a team that only wins a few games a season. that's just me

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Seabee_0586 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:49 pm

In the past 3 years who all went on to play d1 college ball from burg
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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by bleed_blue » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:14 pm

Oak wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:06 pm
BurgGrad6 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:34 pm
Seabee_0586 wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:26 pm
They should play where they live
So a kid that lives out 522 in Franklin frurnace but closer to burg should have to go to and play for green? That is stupid. Let's hinder a kid academically and athletically because he lives in another school district!
No with open enrollment they should be able to go to any school they want as long as that school hasn't exceeded the number of students in that grade that they can support. If you want to go to that school put your name on a list and openings should be filled based on first come first serve. That would mean if Billy the trombone player wants to go to Wheelersburg and they have room, he should have the same opportunity as Jimmie the great athlete. That would be fair. But that doesn't happen
How do you know that doesn’t happen at Wheelersburg?

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Re: SOC-DIVISION 2

Post by Oak » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:06 am

bleed_blue wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:14 pm
Oak wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:06 pm
BurgGrad6 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:34 pm


So a kid that lives out 522 in Franklin frurnace but closer to burg should have to go to and play for green? That is stupid. Let's hinder a kid academically and athletically because he lives in another school district!
No with open enrollment they should be able to go to any school they want as long as that school hasn't exceeded the number of students in that grade that they can support. If you want to go to that school put your name on a list and openings should be filled based on first come first serve. That would mean if Billy the trombone player wants to go to Wheelersburg and they have room, he should have the same opportunity as Jimmie the great athlete. That would be fair. But that doesn't happen
How do you know that doesn’t happen at Wheelersburg?
I know of 3 instances of this happening. One of those instances 2 boys applied at same time. 1 kid is really good and he was accepted. The other isn't near the player. He was declined

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