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Post by danicalifornia » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:34 pm

Dear Waverly,

I'm sorry.

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Post by GoBucks1047 » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:39 pm

Short summary, everyone is in the southeast region except Chillicothe (D2), Teays Valley (D2), McClain (D4), Washington C.H. (D4), and Waverly (D4) who are in the southwest region.

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Post by doubleplay643 » Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:06 pm

D3 Region 11

Bishop Watterson
Bishop Hartley
DeSales
Tri-Valley

Lol, that leaves 4 other spots to fill out the #1-#8 seeds

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Post by HighLightReel » Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:36 pm

Ouch..

That southwest D4 region looks rather stacked.
Sorry, Waverly.

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doubleplay643 wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:06 pm
D3 Region 11

Bishop Watterson
Bishop Hartley
DeSales
Tri-Valley

Lol, that leaves 4 other spots to fill out the #1-#8 seeds
Don't forget Dover and New Philadelphia. Dover has everything back from a team that beat Coshocton who rolled Wheelersburg. Jackson and Athens will be out class in region 11

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Post by Raider6309 » Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:15 pm

1. Desales loaded with D1 athletes
2. Hamilton Township should dominate MSL again
3. Dover should average around 50 a game
4. New Philadelphia regional finals team from NEO region
5. Bishop Hartley two time D4 state champ but will realize D3 is on another level
6. Tri Valley will go 9-1. Lose to Akron SVSM week 1 but should be a good game
7/8 Eastmoor or Beechcroft they always have the best defense in the region but struggle to put up points like Desales

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Post by 93Bulldog » Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:24 pm

You named 9 raider & I can name 4 or 5 more with Athens & Jackson not even included.

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Post by ironman02 » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:16 pm

Yep, Region 11 is loaded up. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

If Jackson or Athens do make it into the playoffs, they will definitely have their work cut out for them.

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Post by Seabee_0586 » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:37 pm

Div 7 reg 27 looks to be weak playoff games this fall
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Post by YOU'RE TIGER BAIT » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:05 am

I see the Johnstown Monroe johnnies in ironton n burgs region. they are a beast.
IN THE LONG GRASS BY THE WATER, SO WATCH YOUR STEP. AND LET'S GO IRONTON FIGHTING TIGERS, OHIO STATE BUCKEYES AND THE CINCINNATI BENGALS

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Post by YOU'RE TIGER BAIT » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:09 am

man waverly is in a tough one in d4.
IN THE LONG GRASS BY THE WATER, SO WATCH YOUR STEP. AND LET'S GO IRONTON FIGHTING TIGERS, OHIO STATE BUCKEYES AND THE CINCINNATI BENGALS

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Post by YOU'RE TIGER BAIT » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:10 am

d6-23 is a tough one as well.
IN THE LONG GRASS BY THE WATER, SO WATCH YOUR STEP. AND LET'S GO IRONTON FIGHTING TIGERS, OHIO STATE BUCKEYES AND THE CINCINNATI BENGALS

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Raider6309 wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:08 pm
doubleplay643 wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:06 pm
D3 Region 11

Bishop Watterson
Bishop Hartley
DeSales
Tri-Valley

Lol, that leaves 4 other spots to fill out the #1-#8 seeds
Don't forget Dover and New Philadelphia. Dover has everything back from a team that beat Coshocton who rolled Wheelersburg. Jackson and Athens will be out class in region 11
Rolled burg that's a good one

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Post by Seabee_0586 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:51 am

It's true they rolled wheelersburg actually the burg got spanked
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Post by sapientia et veritas » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:28 am

Raider6309 wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:15 pm
5. Bishop Hartley two time D4 state champ but will realize D3 is on another level
Indeed. One and done could be the outcome this season. At least, we dumped that Reigning Sports Academy team from the schedule, so hopefully we get enough Harbins to safely qualify for post season.

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Post by Raider6309 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:32 pm

sapientia et veritas wrote:
Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:28 am
Raider6309 wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:15 pm
5. Bishop Hartley two time D4 state champ but will realize D3 is on another level
Indeed. One and done could be the outcome this season. At least, we dumped that Reigning Sports Academy team from the schedule, so hopefully we get enough Harbins to safely qualify for post season.
You guys need to schedule some average OCC teams like Lancaster for points

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Post by sapientia et veritas » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:38 pm

Raider6309 wrote:
Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:32 pm
sapientia et veritas wrote:
Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:28 am
Raider6309 wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:15 pm
5. Bishop Hartley two time D4 state champ but will realize D3 is on another level
Indeed. One and done could be the outcome this season. At least, we dumped that Reigning Sports Academy team from the schedule, so hopefully we get enough Harbins to safely qualify for post season.
You guys need to schedule some average OCC teams like Lancaster for points
It's a crap shoot. At the time the contracts were signed, Central Crossing and Kilbourne seemed like great improvements to the schedule with a potential for a lot of points to be had. Even at 4-0, Kilbourne looked good going into that game. Lancaster would be OK for travel and maybe even points, but they're the wrong team for a speed test. Last year was aberrant. It's going to take fast, physical, and disciplined to win this region consistently.

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Post by Raider6309 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:41 pm

Let's be real, it's Bishop Hartley or Desales in region 11. Hartley just needs points. The next best team will be Hamilton Township or Dover and both play zero defense

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Post by sapientia et veritas » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:04 pm

DeSales' three-star LB tweeted that he's looking forward to beating Hartley twice, so it's really just DeSales. Like it was before. But wasn't. Anybody can beat DeSales or Hartley. And there's no guarantee that either or both will even make the playoffs.

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Post by Raider6309 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:41 pm

sapientia et veritas wrote:
Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:04 pm
DeSales' three-star LB tweeted that he's looking forward to beating Hartley twice, so it's really just DeSales. Like it was before. But wasn't. Anybody can beat DeSales or Hartley. And there's no guarantee that either or both will even make the playoffs.
No team in the region could compete with Hartley or Desales last year. I know Desales should be loaded. Idk about Hartley what they bring back

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Post by sapientia et veritas » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:35 pm

Raider6309 wrote:
Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:41 pm
Idk about Hartley what they bring back
I'll start a new thread and maybe run n shoot will come back, LOL.

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Post by Burg Bias » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:01 pm

What are the odds of all three private schools in Region 19 making the top eight?
Hint: About 90% most years.
My main beef is that a small town school could have their best team in a generation and they will lose to a private school having a 'good' year because of the private school's ability to recruit from a large metropolitan area. Little Podunk H.S. doesn't have the opportunity to get the kids that didn't want/couldn't play for their local D1 school because their ARE no D1 schools around Podunk H.S.
Examples: Fairland H.S.Boys basketball last year/ Ironton H.S.Girls basketball two years ago.
*I know there is recruiting done at Podunk H.S. but getting a player from another local Podunk H.S. isn't the same as being able to get a D1/D2 caliber player from a bigger city.
That's where the big issue is and this reshuffling doesn't solve it. JMHO

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Post by wobycat » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:27 pm

Seabee_0586 wrote:
Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:51 am
It's true they rolled wheelersburg actually the burg got spanked
Worst beating I've ever seen. Losing by 10 in the regional final. Can't believe they even got there.

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Post by king kong » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:38 pm

Burg Bias wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:01 pm
What are the odds of all three private schools in Region 19 making the top eight?
Hint: About 90% most years.
My main beef is that a small town school could have their best team in a generation and they will lose to a private school having a 'good' year because of the private school's ability to recruit from a large metropolitan area. Little Podunk H.S. doesn't have the opportunity to get the kids that didn't want/couldn't play for their local D1 school because their ARE no D1 schools around Podunk H.S.
Examples: Fairland H.S.Boys basketball last year/ Ironton H.S.Girls basketball two years ago.
*I know there is recruiting done at Podunk H.S. but getting a player from another local Podunk H.S. isn't the same as being able to get a D1/D2 caliber player from a bigger city.
That's where the big issue is and this reshuffling doesn't solve it. JMHO
Someone from Burg whining about getting recruits and transfers! LOL. With the new system, Burg has 25, that's 25 kids who don't live in the district who open enroll that play football, which is the largest amount for any team in this area!

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Post by wobycat » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:57 pm

king kong wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:38 pm
Burg Bias wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:01 pm
What are the odds of all three private schools in Region 19 making the top eight?
Hint: About 90% most years.
My main beef is that a small town school could have their best team in a generation and they will lose to a private school having a 'good' year because of the private school's ability to recruit from a large metropolitan area. Little Podunk H.S. doesn't have the opportunity to get the kids that didn't want/couldn't play for their local D1 school because their ARE no D1 schools around Podunk H.S.
Examples: Fairland H.S.Boys basketball last year/ Ironton H.S.Girls basketball two years ago.
*I know there is recruiting done at Podunk H.S. but getting a player from another local Podunk H.S. isn't the same as being able to get a D1/D2 caliber player from a bigger city.
That's where the big issue is and this reshuffling doesn't solve it. JMHO
Someone from Burg whining about getting recruits and transfers! LOL. With the new system, Burg has 25, that's 25 kids who don't live in the district who open enroll that play football, which is the largest amount for any team in this area!
I believe that's their multiplied number not the actual number of students from other districts. I can only think of a couple of kids that play now that didn't play in pee wee. I can't think of 25 at all.

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Post by Abe Froman » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:09 pm

king kong wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:38 pm
Burg Bias wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:01 pm
What are the odds of all three private schools in Region 19 making the top eight?
Hint: About 90% most years.
My main beef is that a small town school could have their best team in a generation and they will lose to a private school having a 'good' year because of the private school's ability to recruit from a large metropolitan area. Little Podunk H.S. doesn't have the opportunity to get the kids that didn't want/couldn't play for their local D1 school because their ARE no D1 schools around Podunk H.S.
Examples: Fairland H.S.Boys basketball last year/ Ironton H.S.Girls basketball two years ago.
*I know there is recruiting done at Podunk H.S. but getting a player from another local Podunk H.S. isn't the same as being able to get a D1/D2 caliber player from a bigger city.
That's where the big issue is and this reshuffling doesn't solve it. JMHO
Someone from Burg whining about getting recruits and transfers! LOL. With the new system, Burg has 25, that's 25 kids who don't live in the district who open enroll that play football, which is the largest amount for any team in this area!
25 is the total CB adjustment. Not number of kids from out of district open enrolled. If you are at all interested in the actual facts.

As a point of reference Ironton was adjusted 15, Bishop Ready adjusted 50.

But hey feel free to carry on with your fake news.

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Post by king kong » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:15 pm

Abe Froman wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:09 pm
king kong wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:38 pm
Burg Bias wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:01 pm
What are the odds of all three private schools in Region 19 making the top eight?
Hint: About 90% most years.
My main beef is that a small town school could have their best team in a generation and they will lose to a private school having a 'good' year because of the private school's ability to recruit from a large metropolitan area. Little Podunk H.S. doesn't have the opportunity to get the kids that didn't want/couldn't play for their local D1 school because their ARE no D1 schools around Podunk H.S.
Examples: Fairland H.S.Boys basketball last year/ Ironton H.S.Girls basketball two years ago.
*I know there is recruiting done at Podunk H.S. but getting a player from another local Podunk H.S. isn't the same as being able to get a D1/D2 caliber player from a bigger city.
That's where the big issue is and this reshuffling doesn't solve it. JMHO
Someone from Burg whining about getting recruits and transfers! LOL. With the new system, Burg has 25, that's 25 kids who don't live in the district who open enroll that play football, which is the largest amount for any team in this area!
25 is the total CB adjustment. Not number of kids from out of district open enrolled. If you are at all interested in the actual facts.

As a point of reference Ironton was adjusted 15, Bishop Ready adjusted 50.

But hey feel free to carry on with your fake news.
They are either 12 tier 2 kids and a tier 1, or 25 tier 1 students, or a combination of both. Still doesn't detract that I said the in this area, Ready isn't in this area, region yes.

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Post by Abe Froman » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:27 pm

Minford has 16, West 10, Jackson 16, and so on.

25 isn't some huge anomaly for the "area".

Lol, Central Catholic's adjustment number was over 200, ASVSM was like 150 as I recall.

You insinuating Burg is some recruiting magnet doesn't hold water, sorry pal a 25 CBP adjustment number is no big deal.

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Post by king kong » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:33 pm

Abe Froman wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:27 pm
Minford has 16, West 10, Jackson 16, and so on.

25 isn't some huge anomaly for the "area".

Lol, Central Catholic's adjustment number was over 200, ASVSM was like 150 as I recall.

You insinuating Burg is some recruiting magnet doesn't hold water, sorry pal a 25 CBP adjustment number is no big deal.
That's your opinion, I am sure those schools listed would love to have 9-15 football players come to their schools as well! You can't compare a public to private cop numbers, that's why it was created.

Or look at it this way, take 5-3 random players from each of Burgs 9-12 roster and see if they might lose some talent! Lol

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Post by wobycat » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:34 pm

Yeah if a kid has been going to the school since grade school and has lived just outside the district since then, you really can't count that as a competive edge. Burgs location can attract from minford, Webster, green, and east. Just like minford can from eastern and valley. Ironton has pulled from rock hill numerous times.

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Post by wobycat » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:37 pm

The public and private thing is another issue. Alumni and state recognition in sports can attract a inner city kid to come for an opportunity. Having a "rich relative" pay for tuition.

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Post by wobycat » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:38 pm

Plus Burg has been pretty good for the last 30 years plus.

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Post by Abe Froman » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:46 pm

king kong wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:33 pm
Abe Froman wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:27 pm
Minford has 16, West 10, Jackson 16, and so on.

25 isn't some huge anomaly for the "area".

Lol, Central Catholic's adjustment number was over 200, ASVSM was like 150 as I recall.

You insinuating Burg is some recruiting magnet doesn't hold water, sorry pal a 25 CBP adjustment number is no big deal.
That's your opinion, I am sure those schools listed would love to have 9-15 football players come to their schools as well! You can't compare a public to private cop numbers, that's why it was created.

Or look at it this way, take 5-3 random players from each of Burgs 9-12 roster and see if they might lose some talent! Lol
You are assuming then that the total CBP adjustment number is made up by kids only playing football in your short-sighted, overly simplified analogy, is this correct?

Is none of the CBP adjustment made up of soccer players, or kids that maybe don't even play sports at all? Everyone that made up the 25 CBP adjustment plays football and is apparently All Ohio.

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The CBP is based on each sports roster


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