Waverly 34 Logan 20

[Ground Buck]

I know what he wrote about Logan's schedule, and you must not be able to read cause you quoted it and then contradicted it. To me and the rest of the world "larger division Central Ohio schools" means schools from large divisions and that simply is wrong. None of them are from a larger division. He crowed for months about how Shadyside was a great pickup since they are a "state power" and Logan is willing to step out of the area and schedule tough teams while the rest of SEO shies away from it. So yea, I'd call that "crowing." What he failed to mention is that yes Logan stepped out of SEO, but for a school 5 divisions lower than them. And I disagree with you, he is an idiot. Many on here agree with me on that.

"Logan has played a more difficult schedule against larger division Central Ohio schools with little success."

In a vacuum you are correct. However, when reading, context is important.

The sentence in question immediately follows a sentence about Waverly's schedule. Therefore, context clues (let's remember English class now), point to the fact that the sentence is a contrast to the sentence about Waverly's schedule.

Logan's schedule has A) larger division teams than Waverly and B) more teams from central Ohio than Waverly.



So you can ignore all context to make your point. I'll stick to what written words actually mean.

I see you must have walked down the hall to the English teacher and involved her in your argument. What I know is, and as you agreed to, he wrote "Logan has played a more difficult schedule against larger division Central Ohio schools with little success." And that statement is false. What they've done is play six teams from smaller divisions, and four from the same division. I realize Paladin is to you old ate up Logan guys the same kind of hero the original Paladin must have been to you when you were little tykes. And that you'll defend him to the death no matter how asinine or foolish he is. But hey, at least you gave up on debating whether he's an idiot.

[Paladin]

Guess ground buck wasn’t too smart In school. Locos is correct. To be MORE accurate, Logan played bigger schools than Waverly played and many who make the playoffs - Garfield Hts ( D-II, Cleveland suburb), Tri-Valley, Sheridan, etc. And, of course, the mental midget wants to pass over that Logan, without a league ,is scrambling for games, big or small. The point, well made , is that they played bigger division teams than Waverly and not many from true SEO. They played Watterson (and used to play DeSales who no one in SEO wants to play). But back to the game, Waverly agreed to play Logan. No one forced them. The question is, how will a smaller division 8-1 team do against a larger division 1-8 team who played much larger division teams that Waverly did not play, favoring a much smaller set of schools, save for Logan ? I even did some match up on Calpreps with Waverly and Logan’s schedule. Waverly didn’t do well. Chili beat Logan by one. Waverly projected to win by one. Garfield Hts ? Tri-Valley? Sheridan? Etc. Waverly didn’t do well. Match up Logan with Waverly schedule. The Chiefs did much better than their schedule. Oh, not to belabor it, but congrats on Waverly getting to the playoffs. There they will find out how good they are in THEIR division. The Logan game should prove to be competitive , but basketball season starts soon in Waverly.

[MasterOfNone]

Guess ground buck wasn’t too smart In school. Locos is correct. To be MORE accurate, Logan played bigger schools than Waverly played and many who make the playoffs - Garfield Hts ( D-II, Cleveland suburb), Tri-Valley, Sheridan, etc. And, of course, the mental midget wants to pass over that Logan, without a league ,is scrambling for games, big or small. The point, well made , is that they played bigger division teams than Waverly and not many from true SEO. They played Watterson (and used to play DeSales who no one in SEO wants to play). But back to the game, Waverly agreed to play Logan. No one forced them. The question is, how will a smaller division 8-1 team do against a larger division 1-8 team who played much larger division teams that Waverly did not play, favoring a much smaller set of schools, save for Logan ? I even did some match up on Calpreps with Waverly and Logan’s schedule. Waverly didn’t do well. Chili beat Logan by one. Waverly projected to win by one. Garfield Hts ? Tri-Valley? Sheridan? Etc. Waverly didn’t do well. Match up Logan with Waverly schedule. The Chiefs did much better than their schedule. Oh, not to belabor it, but congrats on Waverly getting to the playoffs. There they will find out how good they are in THEIR division. The Logan game should prove to be competitive , but basketball season starts soon in Waverly.

Wouldn't it be expected that Logan would play bigger division teams than Waverly? Considering they are two divisions bigger themselves.

[Paladin]

Let’s see, Logan played

Tri-Valley 8-1, D-2
Teays Valley 6-3, D-2
Meigs. 3-6, D-4
Sheridan 8-1, D-3
Chili. 7-2, D-2
Athens. 8-1 , D-3
Zanesville. 6-3, D-3
Garfield Hts., 9-0, D-2
Bishop Watterson 4-5, D-3

Logan played bigger schools than Waverly played, with better records and out of SEO. Check. Playoff teams galore.

Waverly played-

Piketon. 1-8, D-5
Zane Trace 3-6, D-4
Unioto. 6-3, D-4
Fairland 5-4, D-4
Nelsonville-York 4-5, D-6
Valley. 3-6, D-6
Burg. 8-1, D-5
West. 6-3, D-5
Milford. 6-3, D-5

So, Waverly, D-4 team, played 6 teams smaller division than they are. Check. Small division teams. Poor records. SEO. Not many playoff teams.

Reality !

[VetteMan]

I don't really see any Waverly fans saying they are going to beat Logan. With the exception of seeding in the playoffs, I can't see where it can do anything but prepare Waverly for what they are going to face in the playoffs. Even with Logan not being the Logan of past years, I can promise you that everyone in Waverly knows what a challenge this game will be.

[loganlocos]

Wouldn't it be expected that Logan would play bigger division teams than Waverly? Considering they are two divisions bigger themselves.

No one is arguing different.

People are saying Logan has a bad record against a stronger schedule.

Waverly has a great record against a good schedule, but a weaker schedule than Logan.

Some people wonder what Waverly's record would be against Logan's schedule.

Some people wonder what Logan's record would be against Waverly's schedule.



The consensus is that Waverly will win. But that it might be closer than you would expect in a game between a 1-8 and an 8-1 team.

Did I miss anything?

[noreply66]

What I'm reading is Logan has played larger school than Waverly has. Not themselves.

I heard that Waverly is more of a passing team than running. Logan usually has trouble with teams that pass a lot and if this is so Waverly will probably come out on top. Nothing to brag about if they do. Waverly is a very good team in a football area that is probably the lowest in Ohio. Just too many small schools. No Div I schools and only a hand full of Div II and with things going as it has over the last decade or so it will only get smaller.


Good luck to both teams and hope there will be no serious injuries.

[Chieftain Fan]

The old grumpy codger Paladin is right on this one as I look for Logan to win.

You got the "old grumpy" part right. This is another chance for old grumpy to sing the praises of Logan and poor mouth the rest of SE Ohio. What he neglects to mention is Logan is once again playing a school that is much smaller than them. In fact, 6 of Logans opponents are from divisions lower than them, while 4 are from the same division. None are from a higher division. So when he says, "Logan has played a more difficult schedule against larger division Central Ohio schools..." he's obviously making that sh## up to make Logan look better. This is one reason people hate Logan. Of course Old Grumpy would love for Logan to be playing all smaller schools. So yes he'll brag and pound his chest if Logan wins this game no doubt. Remember when he crowed about Logan beating D7 Shadyside a few years ago? That year Shadyside went 4-6.

If you judge all of Logans Fans with what Paladin says people will hate Logan . He does not live or go to any of the games . Logan has struggled for the last 5 or 6 years and all the Logan Fans know this . No soon turn around is seen . There are many reasons and they have already been debated . Waverly is the better team as the records tell the story . Waverly is playing at home and playoff possibilty is on the line . As far as Logans schedule they play who ever they can schedule . Good big schools do not want to play them for there is no points to gain . No league so the AD schedule teams that are willing to play . Some smaller schools play them to gain points . Scheduling is a nightmare . No one that is close to the situation is pounding their chest with any results . If Logan did win it's just part of the unexpected part of High School sports and would mean a lot to the Logan Players . If they lose they will still get up on Saturday Morning feeling the buises and aches that all teams do . Good luck and hope for an an injury free game for both teams

[VetteMan]

Chieftain Fan! Very good post! It can't be very easy being one of the larger schools in SEO, and not be involved in a league as you were for so many years. I was always a big fan of the SEOL, and hated seeing it come to an end. I also understand somewhat how difficult it must be to try to set up a schedule.

[9.5 INCHES]

What I'm reading is Logan has played larger school than Waverly has. Not themselves.

You are correct. Ground Buck seems to need a special education reading understanding class.

[Kicker.]

Great post! Does anyone have the number of times Waverly has played Logan? When the last time they played and what the all time series stands? I knew they were both in the SEOAL but it wasn't a very long stint for Waverly

Logan and Waverly have played 12 times, all as SEOAL foes.

The teams played every year from 1970-1982 with the lone exception being 1978 when eight of Logan's 10 games were cancelled due to the LHS teachers' strike.

1970 - Logan 42, Waverly 12
1971 - Logan 14, Waverly 7
1972 - Logan 42, Waverly 12
1973 - Logan 41, Waverly 0
1974 - Logan 49, Waverly 6
1975 - Logan 35, Waverly 0
1976 - Logan 53, Waverly 0
1977 - Logan 42, Waverly 0
1978 - NO GAME
1979 - Logan 12, Waverly 6
1980 - Logan 21, Waverly 20
1981 - Waverly 13, Logan 0
1982 - Logan 10, Waverly 7




To be fair - the Tigers' probably had one of their worst ever decades on the gridiron while they were in the SEOAL.

Waverly and Jackson tied 14-14 to end the 1969 season. Waverly had won 24 straight games entering that night. Jackson finished 9-0-1 that year and were the SEOAL champions. The next year Waverly joined the SEOAL and their program fell apart.

Waverly and Jackson played 31 times after the Tigers left the SEOAL - the Ironmen went 18-13 over that period including one playoff game (a Waverly win). Jackson was a dominant SEOAL team over that period.

Yeah Waverlys time in the SEOAL wasn't the greatest in the tigers program

[Kicker.]

To all of whom are saying Waverlys schedule compared to Logans yadda yadda yadda, come friday night those records mean nothing it'll be about whose the better team on the field

[1987chieftains]

I know what he wrote about Logan's schedule, and you must not be able to read cause you quoted it and then contradicted it. To me and the rest of the world "larger division Central Ohio schools" means schools from large divisions and that simply is wrong. None of them are from a larger division. He crowed for months about how Shadyside was a great pickup since they are a "state power" and Logan is willing to step out of the area and schedule tough teams while the rest of SEO shies away from it. So yea, I'd call that "crowing." What he failed to mention is that yes Logan stepped out of SEO, but for a school 5 divisions lower than them. And I disagree with you, he is an idiot. Many on here agree with me on that.

"Logan has played a more difficult schedule against larger division Central Ohio schools with little success."

In a vacuum you are correct. However, when reading, context is important.

The sentence in question immediately follows a sentence about Waverly's schedule. Therefore, context clues (let's remember English class now), point to the fact that the sentence is a contrast to the sentence about Waverly's schedule.

Logan's schedule has A) larger division teams than Waverly and B) more teams from central Ohio than Waverly.



So you can ignore all context to make your point. I'll stick to what written words actually mean.

I see you must have walked down the hall to the English teacher and involved her in your argument. What I know is, and as you agreed to, he wrote "Logan has played a more difficult schedule against larger division Central Ohio schools with little success." And that statement is false. What they've done is play six teams from smaller divisions, and four from the same division. I realize Paladin is to you old ate up Logan guys the same kind of hero the original Paladin must have been to you when you were little tykes. And that you'll defend him to the death no matter how asinine or foolish he is. But hey, at least you gave up on debating whether he's an idiot.

Troll

[1987chieftains]

I don't care who Logan plays. At this point,10 game schedule is a 10 game schedule! And Kudos to any team that ponies up to play a larger school. Pounding his Pud is just a sore NY fan that is still upset bc they have a massively bad all-time record against Logan and now they still have to deal with Athens kicking the snot out of them in just about every sport every year.

[moonshine]

Disregard what ground chuck says, He is a fail ex football coach and can not is not a team person. Hell he is worst than a deployable.

Ground Chuck is a very unhappy person!

The main point is, Logan needs to play a 10 game schedule and in order to fill the schedule we will play any team big or small. Bye weeks would cheat the kids whom puts all the time and effort into our football team!

[FANOSPORTS]

Disregard what ground chuck says, He is a fail ex football coach and can not is not a team person. Hell he is worst than a deployable.

Ground Chuck is a very unhappy person!

The main point is, Logan needs to play a 10 game schedule and in order to fill the schedule we will play any team big or small. Bye weeks would cheat the kids whom puts all the time and effort into our football team!

Agree. Logan for SEO is in a bad position nowadays with nowhere to go. If they play smaller schools down there they're ridiculed and if they play central ,eastern or northern Ohio schools It's why are they losing ? As said on various other threads, most of SEO schools won't even think of scheduling schools out of conference who they know will give them fits or might embarrass them. The schools that do, and we all know who they are have become better for it over the years and know what it takes at playoff time. As an old SEOAL fan I wish Logan good luck in the future and hope it gets the program turned around in the near future.

[toast]

If ever there was a team better than their record indicated...it's Logan. Seven of the eight teams that beat Logan have a winning record. Those seven teams have a combined record of 52-11. Three of those teams are 8-1 and one is 9-0. Logan has some close losses to some excellent teams! Their only loss to a team that does not have a winning record was to 4-5 Bishop Watterson.

Waverly hasn't played a school as large as Logan in years. This game will certainly be a challenge. Waverly has looked good the last couple of games. Our defense is playing their best ball of the season. The Tigers have a lot on the line this Friday. A decent chance at a home playoff game if they win. For all intents and purposes.....This Friday against Logan is a playoff game. Go Tigers!!

I'm still trying to figure out what we're debating There's my earlier post. I'm a die hard Waverly fan and I'll state unequivocally there's very little chest thumping coming from Waverly fans. We know this game will be close and that Logan is much better than their record indicates. I'm not the only one that has stated this. Most of us are pretty grounded in what lies ahead for this game and the playoffs. We're also pleased with our teams success and that we've made the playoffs for a record third consecutive year. Here's to an injury free game for both teams. Go Tigers!!

[MasterOfNone]

If ever there was a team better than their record indicated...it's Logan. Seven of the eight teams that beat Logan have a winning record. Those seven teams have a combined record of 52-11. Three of those teams are 8-1 and one is 9-0. Logan has some close losses to some excellent teams! Their only loss to a team that does not have a winning record was to 4-5 Bishop Watterson.

Waverly hasn't played a school as large as Logan in years. This game will certainly be a challenge. Waverly has looked good the last couple of games. Our defense is playing their best ball of the season. The Tigers have a lot on the line this Friday. A decent chance at a home playoff game if they win. For all intents and purposes.....This Friday against Logan is a playoff game. Go Tigers!!

I'm still trying to figure out what we're debating There's my earlier post. I'm a die hard Waverly fan and I'll state unequivocally there's very little chest thumping coming from Waverly fans. We know this game will be close and that Logan is much better than their record indicates. I'm not the only one that has stated this. Most of us are pretty grounded in what lies ahead for this game and the playoffs. We're also pleased with our teams success and that we've made the playoffs for a record third consecutive year. Here's to an injury free game for both teams. Go Tigers!!

Great post! I think this sums up how most Waverly fans feel. Does Logan's past success trump Waverly's? Definitely. Their program deserves to be respected and I know they will give the Tigers all they can handle on Friday. But everyone in the Tiger community is so proud of what this program has been able to accomplish the past three years. They have a combined 24-5 regular season record for the past three seasons, to this point. They are finding ways to reload rather than rebuild and it is very exciting. As far as the playoffs go, we know that no matter what seed we are it will be a very difficult challenge come next week. We do wish we were in region 15, where many other teams in our area in Div. IV are placed. Instead, we have been put in the ever so difficult region 16. At the end of the day, it is what it is and it just shows that there is still much improvement to be made if the Tigers want to take that next step. That next step being able to compete with those teams in region 16. But making the playoffs three years in a row is a great accomplishment, school history is being made.

[VetteMan]

If ever there was a team better than their record indicated...it's Logan. Seven of the eight teams that beat Logan have a winning record. Those seven teams have a combined record of 52-11. Three of those teams are 8-1 and one is 9-0. Logan has some close losses to some excellent teams! Their only loss to a team that does not have a winning record was to 4-5 Bishop Watterson.

Waverly hasn't played a school as large as Logan in years. This game will certainly be a challenge. Waverly has looked good the last couple of games. Our defense is playing their best ball of the season. The Tigers have a lot on the line this Friday. A decent chance at a home playoff game if they win. For all intents and purposes.....This Friday against Logan is a playoff game. Go Tigers!!

I'm still trying to figure out what we're debating There's my earlier post. I'm a die hard Waverly fan and I'll state unequivocally there's very little chest thumping coming from Waverly fans. We know this game will be close and that Logan is much better than their record indicates. I'm not the only one that has stated this. Most of us are pretty grounded in what lies ahead for this game and the playoffs. We're also pleased with our teams success and that we've made the playoffs for a record third consecutive year. Here's to an injury free game for both teams. Go Tigers!!

Great post! I think this sums up how most Waverly fans feel. Does Logan's past success trump Waverly's? Definitely. Their program deserves to be respected and I know they will give the Tigers all they can handle on Friday. But everyone in the Tiger community is so proud of what this program has been able to accomplish the past three years. They have a combined 24-5 regular season record for the past three seasons, to this point. They are finding ways to reload rather than rebuild and it is very exciting. As far as the playoffs go, we know that no matter what seed we are it will be a very difficult challenge come next week. We do wish we were in region 15, where many other teams in our area in Div. IV are placed. Instead, we have been put in the ever so difficult region 16. At the end of the day, it is what it is and it just shows that there is still much improvement to be made if the Tigers want to take that next step. That next step being able to compete with those teams in region 16. But making the playoffs three years in a row is a great accomplishment, school history is being made.

Another Great Post!

[moonshine]

If ever there was a team better than their record indicated...it's Logan. Seven of the eight teams that beat Logan have a winning record. Those seven teams have a combined record of 52-11. Three of those teams are 8-1 and one is 9-0. Logan has some close losses to some excellent teams! Their only loss to a team that does not have a winning record was to 4-5 Bishop Watterson.

Waverly hasn't played a school as large as Logan in years. This game will certainly be a challenge. Waverly has looked good the last couple of games. Our defense is playing their best ball of the season. The Tigers have a lot on the line this Friday. A decent chance at a home playoff game if they win. For all intents and purposes.....This Friday against Logan is a playoff game. Go Tigers!!

I'm still trying to figure out what we're debating There's my earlier post. I'm a die hard Waverly fan and I'll state unequivocally there's very little chest thumping coming from Waverly fans. We know this game will be close and that Logan is much better than their record indicates. I'm not the only one that has stated this. Most of us are pretty grounded in what lies ahead for this game and the playoffs. We're also pleased with our teams success and that we've made the playoffs for a record third consecutive year. Here's to an injury free game for both teams. Go Tigers!!

Great post! I think this sums up how most Waverly fans feel. Does Logan's past success trump Waverly's? Definitely. Their program deserves to be respected and I know they will give the Tigers all they can handle on Friday. But everyone in the Tiger community is so proud of what this program has been able to accomplish the past three years. They have a combined 24-5 regular season record for the past three seasons, to this point. They are finding ways to reload rather than rebuild and it is very exciting. As far as the playoffs go, we know that no matter what seed we are it will be a very difficult challenge come next week. We do wish we were in region 15, where many other teams in our area in Div. IV are placed. Instead, we have been put in the ever so difficult region 16. At the end of the day, it is what it is and it just shows that there is still much improvement to be made if the Tigers want to take that next step. That next step being able to compete with those teams in region 16. But making the playoffs three years in a row is a great accomplishment, school history is being made.

Good luck in the playoffs1 But Logan will give you fit's and we all need to support our young men!