Playoff news and notes. Updated Through 11/17 State Semi Matchups

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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:44 am

Going to start a thread for discussion on anomalies, outliers, rematches, and general playoff craziness.

Division 1 is interesting this year to say the least.

Only 1 undefeated team will enter the playoffs: Colerain (10-0). Only 7 more survived with 1 loss (Canton McKinley is 8-1 and plays undefeated Massillon Washington tomorrow afternoon so this might be reduced to 6 by Saturday evening).

Region 3 participants Miamisburg, Pickerington North and Lancaster can all be a little envious and should be allowed to express some geography bias. These 3 teams finished 9th — 11th and out of the playoffs in Region 3. All 3 would have qualified in Region 4 as 6th, 7th and 8th. All 3 would have qualified in Region 2 as 3rd, 5th and 6th and any of the 3 would have been 8th in Region 1.

Region 2 qualifiers Westerville Central and Toledo Start (7th And 8th) defeated only 1 Division 1 team total. Westerville Central beat 0-10 Grove City in week 2. Toledo Start only played 1 Division 1 team and somehow after starting 1-4 stumbled in at 6-4. Toledo Start’s 6 wins were over 2 D2, 3 D3 and 1 D5 teams whose overall record was 22-37. And they made the playoffs in Division 1 with an average of 15.2697. They would have finished 12th in Regions 1 and 3 and 9th in Region 4.

Colerain’s reward for finishing 10-0 and 1st in Region 4 is a rematch with 8 seeded St X. Colerain defeated St X 14-12 in week 2 in by far their toughest contest of the season. 3 seed Elder faces 6 seed Moeller in a rematch from week 7 which saw Moeller post a 24-21 win.

Hilliard Davidson’s reward for finishing 1st in Region 3 is a week 11 battle vs Huber Heights Wayne. The other 2 Hilliard schools qualified as well. 3 seed Hilliard Bradley faces 6 seed Pickerington Central and 7 seed Hilliard Darby faces 2 seed Clayton Northmont.

Region 1 has found it’s 8 qualifiers but some shuffling can and probably will occur in the seeding before settling by Saturday night.
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:29 am

In Division 6 Region 21: New Middletown Springfield finished 9-1 and an average of 15.95. Their only loss was to 10-0 McDonald. They finished in 10th place and out of the playoffs. Best record not to qualify honors to you Mr New Middletown Springfield Man.

They would have qualified in Division 1 Region 2....

Canal Winchester also went 9-1 and with an average of 22.45 finished 9th in Division 2 Region 7.

And, yes they would have qualified in Division 1 Region 2.... in 3rd position and would have played a Home Game.

The 8 teams who did qualify in Region 7 have a combined record of 72-7.
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:34 am

Staying in Division 6 Region 21:

Perennial power Kirtland had 5 shutouts and gave up a total of 32 points.

No team scored more than 7 points against Kirtland.

Kirtland scored 409 points this season. Therefore they outscored their opponents on average 41-3.
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:45 am

Division 5 will have a slightly different story this year.

Last year’s final 4 was Pemberville Eastwood, Canfield South Range, Middletown Madison and Wheelersburg. Only 1 of those 4 can advance to the State semifinals this year. Eastwood and South Range did not qualify and Madison and Wheelersburg are both in Region 20.

Teams to watch out for this year are:

Region 17— Orrville, Labrae and Akron Manchester

Region 18—Genoa Area and Anna

Region 19—Johnstown-Monroe, Meadowbrook and Ridgewood

Region 20— Wheelersburg and Madison.
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:13 am

Sticking around in Division 5, 9th place honors in Region 20 go to Minford who started 5-0 but finished at 6-4 with an average of 12.6. The Falcons play in the 5 team Southern Ohio Conference (2) and 3 of the 5 teams qualified for the playoffs. Minford finished 0-4 in SOC2 play and dealt with injuries over the final weeks.

Portsmouth started 3-3 but closed with 4 straight wins to move up to 7th in Region 20 with an average of 13.65. Portsmouth finished 2-2 against the 4 playoff teams on their schedule.

Neither Portsmouth nor Minford would have qualified in Division 1 Region 2..... cause I know you were thinking it.
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:24 am

Staying in D5 Region 20. Middletown Madison finished 10-0 and 2nd with an average of 23.05. They played 0 teams who qualified for the playoffs and their opponents finished with a combined record of 39-61.

Wheelersburg (9-1) was 1st in Region 20 with an average of 29.75. They encountered 6 playoff qualifiers and finished 5-1 in those contests. Their opponents finished with a combined record of 63-37.

And yes. D1 R2. Both.
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:52 am

Last years state champs and status for this year

D1: Pickerington Central — Region 3 — 6th (8-2).
D2: Akron Hoban — Region 5 — 1st (10-0)
D3: Trotwood Madison — Region 12 — 7th (6-4)
D4: Steubenville — Region 13 — 2nd (9-1)
D5: Wheelersburg — Region 20 — 1st (9-1)
D6: Marion Local — Region 24 — 3rd (9-1)
D7: Minster — Region 28 — 3rd (7-3)
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:59 am

Huge game on Saturday Night between Lima Central Catholic and Lucas

If Lima Central Catholic wins they will move to 1st in Region 24 which places Coldwater 2nd And Marion Local 3rd. The MAC heavyweights would then face off in week 12 and only 1 would advance to Regional final.

Also if Lucas loses it drops them to 2nd in Region 27 and alters Franklin Furnace Green’s path as Green is 7th seeded and currently is opposite Harvest Prep. Harvest Prep moves to 1st if Lucas loses and Green would travel to Lucas for their week 11 game. Harvest Prep is a 2 hour bus ride and Lucas is more like 3 1/2 hours...
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Post by 93Bulldog » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:44 am

Canal Winchester was all set to keep playing Athens this year. Called late, broke the contract, which forced Athens to find a game week two. The Bulldogs were lucky to add Fairland, but ended up losing to the Dragons 35-31. Canal Winchester instead played and beat Olentangy Berlin who finsihed (1-9) ... After the dust settled, Canal Winchester finished with a sterling 9-1 overall record BUT missed out on the playoffs in Division II, Region 7. Fairland on the other hand rode those 2nd level points from Athens into the playoffs with a subpar (6-4) record ... I'd say the Canal AD and coach have to be kicking themselves for backing out of that week two game versus Athens. lol

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Post by mattash » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:46 am

I'm sure Green would rather play prep

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Post by mattash » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:47 am

93Bulldog wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:44 am
Canal Winchester was all set to keep playing Athens this year. Called late, broke the contract, which forced Athens to find a game week two. The Bulldogs were lucky to add Fairland, but ended up losing to the Dragons 35-31. Canal Winchester instead played and beat Olentangy Berlin who finsihed (1-9) ... After the dust settled, Canal Winchester finished with a sterling 9-1 overall record BUT missed out on the playoffs in Division II, Region 7. Fairland on the other hand rode those 2nd level points from Athens into the playoffs with a subpar (6-4) record ... I'd say the Canal AD and coach have to be kicking themselves for backing out of that week two game versus Athens. lol

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Post by Tjhtygeverve » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:58 am

Fun stuff! Reminds me of how excited I used to be about the playoffs each year! Sometimes, life rolls you some different personal dice that take away your focus and you have to follow to get along.

This was a good post to remind me of how much I miss my years 35-50. The last 5 have taken me in a different direction, so thanks for this post! I really enjoyed it & love this site!

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Post by fbnut » Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:18 am

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Post by Bigdog » Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:28 am

Going to start a thread for discussion on anomalies, outliers, rematches, and general playoff craziness.


Let's just start with Waverly being in Region 16 for third year in a row. That is not the region they should be in. 15 is southeast Ohio and where Waverly belongs. Both Unioto and Westfall are further west than Waverly geographically and The Columbus schools and even Circleville would make more sense in the West Region.

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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:29 am

93Bulldog wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:44 am
Canal Winchester was all set to keep playing Athens this year. Called late, broke the contract, which forced Athens to find a game week two. The Bulldogs were lucky to add Fairland, but ended up losing to the Dragons 35-31. Canal Winchester instead played and beat Olentangy Berlin who finsihed (1-9) ... After the dust settled, Canal Winchester finished with a sterling 9-1 overall record BUT missed out on the playoffs in Division II, Region 7. Fairland on the other hand rode those 2nd level points from Athens into the playoffs with a subpar (6-4) record ... I'd say the Canal AD and coach have to be kicking themselves for backing out of that week two game versus Athens. lol

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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:35 am

Bigdog wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:28 am
Going to start a thread for discussion on anomalies, outliers, rematches, and general playoff craziness.


Let's just start with Waverly being in Region 16 for third year in a row. That is not the region they should be in. 15 is southeast Ohio and where Waverly belongs. Both Unioto and Westfall are further west than Waverly geographically and The Columbus schools and even Circleville would make more sense in the West Region.
Any one in 16 care to move to 15?

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Post by EasternDspy » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:47 am

mattash wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:46 am
I'm sure Green would rather play prep
Lucas has big wins but they did lose to Nortmor by 20

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Post by Omega » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:59 am

There are annual tales of teams with sterling records getting left out of the playoffs and the opposite. Any playoff system using a harbin like system rewards both strength of schedule and wins over fan's eyeball evaluation.

One of the ways to reduce surprises in playoff qualifiers would be to qualify the top 32 teams in points in each class state wide, regardless of geographic region.

Another would be district schedules to determine playoff qualifiers, as in Kentucky.

The first would leave many SE Ohio teams on the outside of the playoffs. The second would likely see teams with losing records make the field.

No system is perfect so the status quo looks good.
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:08 am

A better name for this thread would have been

“Speak Nerdy to Me”. Internal nod of head. A change is in order!

Division 6 Region 23

The SVC power play!

Paint Valley (10-0) finished 1st with an average of 23.1879 and host Grandview Heights in week 11. Over/under on Grandview Heights Couples discussing moving to Bainbridge in Retirement because they realize it’s God’s country is 12.

Frankfort Adena (7-2) finished 5th with an average of 17.7222. There is no truth to the rumor that Adena AD is negotiating with OHSAA on moving down to 6th. “We beat SE and truly would enjoy it if THEY went to Shadyside”

OHSAA points to Last year in College Football when Auburn defeated Alabama and their reward was an extra opportunity to NOT make the Playoff.

Monday morning arrives and Adena AD finds a care package from Auburn AD who understands the situation as only he could.

Southeastern (7-3) finished 6th with an average of 15.5232 and will travel to Fort Frye unless They are upset tonight by a basketball school. But, hey Kentucky is a football school now so who knows? If Fort loses then SE travels to Galion Northmor.
Either way SE fans and families will be crossing one of those 2 destinations off of their bucket list and are very thankful they aren’t destined for Shadyside.

By the way Shadyside’s field is by the Middle school and you enter the town via Time Machine which funnels you back to a kinder gentler time.
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:13 am

EasternDspy wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:47 am
mattash wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:46 am
I'm sure Green would rather play prep
Lucas has big wins but they did lose to Nortmor by 20
I believe our faithful leader was making strictly a bus ride decision.
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Post by FANOSPORTS » Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:12 pm

Omega wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:59 am
There are annual tales of teams with sterling records getting left out of the playoffs and the opposite. Any playoff system using a harbin like system rewards both strength of schedule and wins over fan's eyeball evaluation.

One of the ways to reduce surprises in playoff qualifiers would be to qualify the top 32 teams in points in each class state wide, regardless of geographic region.

Another would be district schedules to determine playoff qualifiers, as in Kentucky.

The first would leave many SE Ohio teams on the outside of the playoffs. The second would likely see teams with losing records make the field.

No system is perfect so the status quo looks good.
But, the BEST teams in the STATE in each division would be in, regardless of record and there would be a lot closer games , especially in round one. There would be more travel though when certain parts of the state dominant certain classes.
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:50 pm

If we took the Top 32 teams by Computer Average we would then have the top 32 teams by points and not necessarily the Best 32 teams.

Wheelersburg’s win over an 8-2 D5 Oak Hill team would be weighted exactly the same as it is now. There would not be geographical factors. Somehow, I think you believe that by removing geography and regions it would greatly affect the process. I’m not so sure. And now my OCD is screaming at me. So, I think I will compare D1 and possibly D5 at the Region System vs Overall top 32 and then we can see.

Give me a few minutes.

Scheduling tough is not rewarded. Losses have 0 worth. Waverly and Oak Hill were the most valuable teams on Wheelersburg’s schedule I believe.
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:19 pm

D5

Playoff teams under current Regional System

Region 17
Orrville
Akron Manchester
Labrae
Columbiana Crestview
Gilmour Academy
Magnolia Sandy Valley
Wickliffe
Massillon Tuslaw

Region 18
Genoa Area
Liberty Center
Oak Harbor
Elyria Catholic
Marion Pleasant
Anna
Miami East
Millbury Lake

Region 19
Johnstown Monroe
Ridgewood
Meadowbrook
Martins Ferry
Bellaire
Oak Hill
Amanda CC
Ironton

Region 20
Wheelersburg
Madison
West Jeff
Madeira
Jamestown Greenview
CHCA
Portsmouth
Portsmouth West

Top 32
1. Wheelersburg
2. Genoa Area
3. Johnstown Monroe
4. Madison
5. Liberty Center
6. Oak Harbor
7. Elyria Catholic
8. Orrville
9. Akron Manchester
10. Marion Pleasant
11. West Jefferson
12. Anna
13. Labrae
14. Miami East
15. Ridgewood
16. Columbiana Crestview
17. Gilmour Academy
18. Meadowbrook
19. Martins Ferry
20. Millbury Lake
21. Bellaire
22. Madeira
23. Jamestown Greenview
24. Oak Hill
25. Richwood North Union * 9th in 18
26. Magnolia Sandy Valley
27. Wickliffe
28. Archbold * 10th in 18
29. CHCA
30. Massillon Tuslaw
31. Amanda CC
32. Portsmouth

33. Ironton
34. Portsmouth West.

So there is D5 compare/contrast current vs top 32 regardless of geography.

This year North Union and Archbold would get in and Ironton and Portsmouth West would be out

Region 17 — 8 teams either way
Region 18 — 10 teams in with Top 32
Region 19 — lose Ironton
Region 20 — lose West.
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:43 am

Top playoff appearances updated to include this year

1) Newark Catholic — 35
Cincinnati Moeller — 35
3) Ironton — 34
4) Mogadore — 32
5) Steubenville — 31
6) Wheelersburg — 30


Only 2 teams are making their initial playoff appearance this year.

D4 R16. Springfield Northwestern.
D1 R2. Toledo Start.
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Post by LucasDavenport » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:44 am

2 teams you don’t want to play in the First Round:

Colerain 19-0
St Henry 16-0.

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