Where does Logan go from here?

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Where does Logan go from here?

Post by Chief02 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:35 pm

What direction do you see Logan going after another disappointing season? Is it the cosching? Is it a lack of talent? Is it a combination of the two?

Whatever it is, the lack of community support for a once proud football program is beginning to show. The fans in the stands are a shell of what they once were on Friday nights. The enthusiasm is no longer there. Logan has perhaps some of the best booster programs around. We have a state of the art facility being built that will be known as The Chieftain Center. We have a top notch football stadium. We have nice schools for kids grade K-12. Everything one may think they may need for athletic success is there. However, we do not see that on the field. Gone are the days of “the old school on the hill” where PATs sailed into the back yard of neighboring houses. Gone is the pride that once flowed from a packed crowd. We will never have that old school back, but we can get that pride back. The only question is how?



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Post by Logangrad » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:35 am

Debbie Downer..... :shock:


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Re: Where does Logan go from here?

Post by Chief02 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:39 am

Logangrad wrote:
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Debbie Downer..... :shock:
Just my opinion as I sit in my reserved seats every week. It’s a sad sight to see. Again, the question I posed is where does Logan go from here?



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Post by rickoshay » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:07 am

President Harry Truman said "the buck stops here", so tweet "The Donald", he has all the answers. :roll:



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Re: Where does Logan go from here?

Post by LHS 72 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:14 am

Need to take a hard look at the whole program from the top on down! :oops:



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Post by Orange and Brown » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:55 am

Logan needs a league so they can play more teams they can compete against. I think they are overdue for a coaching change as well.


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Re: Where does Logan go from here?

Post by NY BUCK » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:59 pm

May be too early to ask but does Logan’s schedule look about the same for next year?



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Post by Chieftain2009 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:02 pm

NY BUCK wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:59 pm
May be too early to ask but does Logan’s schedule look about the same for next year?
@ Tri-Valley
vs. Teays Valley
@ Jackson
vs. Sheridan
@ Chillicothe
@ Athens
vs. Zanesville
vs. Meigs
@ Maysville
vs. Hamilton Township


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Re: Where does Logan go from here?

Post by NY BUCK » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:05 pm

Chieftain2009 wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:02 pm
NY BUCK wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:59 pm
May be too early to ask but does Logan’s schedule look about the same for next year?
@ Tri-Valley
vs. Teays Valley
@ Jackson
vs. Sheridan
@ Chillicothe
@ Athens
vs. Zanesville
vs. Meigs
@ Maysville
vs. Hamilton Township
Thanks for the info. Hope the program gets going in the right direction soon. Still wish Ny and Logan played.



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Re: Where does Logan go from here?

Post by Sunoco » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:21 pm

They need to join the FAC for FOOTBALL ONLY. They are already playing Jackson and Chillicothe. I know the other schools will say it's too far but you only have to go to Logan every other year. One less game that the FAC schools will need to schedule.



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Re: Where does Logan go from here?

Post by Chief02 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:43 pm

I still wish the “almost Route 33” league that was discussed last year would come to fruition. It had a lot of good schools that I think would make for a great league (Groveport, Canal, etc). That is the type of league Logan needs to be in.



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Post by noreply66 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:59 pm

Chief02 wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:43 pm
I still wish the “almost Route 33” league that was discussed last year would come to fruition. It had a lot of good schools that I think would make for a great league (Groveport, Canal, etc). That is the type of league Logan needs to be in.
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Post by Dundas » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:02 am

I’ve said many times, if I were Logan, I’d be calling Warren, Marietta, Jackson, Athens, and Point Pleasant and try to get the Seoal back together in some shape or form. Maybe a long shot, but what do they have to lose?



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Re: Where does Logan go from here?

Post by 1987chieftains » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:39 am

Chief02 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:35 pm
What direction do you see Logan going after another disappointing season? Is it the cosching? Is it a lack of talent? Is it a combination of the two?

Whatever it is, the lack of community support for a once proud football program is beginning to show. The fans in the stands are a shell of what they once were on Friday nights. The enthusiasm is no longer there. Logan has perhaps some of the best booster programs around. We have a state of the art facility being built that will be known as The Chieftain Center. We have a top notch football stadium. We have nice schools for kids grade K-12. Everything one may think they may need for athletic success is there. However, we do not see that on the field. Gone are the days of “the old school on the hill” where PATs sailed into the back yard of neighboring houses. Gone is the pride that once flowed from a packed crowd. We will never have that old school back, but we can get that pride back. The only question is how?
I'd say its time for a new HC. Flush the most of the staff and start from scratch. But will it happen??? At one time I'd say Yes, with out a doubt it will happen. The football program is the lowest I've seen it in my 40 yrs of watching Logan Chieftain Football. The program seems like it is "just going through the motions" year in and out. The coaches kids attend school in Lancaster, which tells me he has no plans at all in staying for the long haul. And that he has plans/wants to coach his Alma-mater Lancaster when Bob Carpenter retires. Hes has never re-built a program and from the looks of it he has no plans or "know how to" on getting the job done. At his previous stops when he has left a program they were not in any better shape then when he found them. From the stands you can hear the dissatisfaction in the product that is put on the field week in and out. In his 6 or 7 years at Logan he has only produced 2 winning seasons. 8-2 and 7-3 both seasons of which didn't make the playoffs and where mostly products of weaker schedules and neither had any lasting effect on the program. The other 4 or 5 seasons were abysmal. No matter Logan's talent level, Logan is losing to teams they shouldn't be and when losing to teams they probable should lose to they are just getting pummeled to the point it's just embarrassing. And then they have the teams that Logan has a 50/50 shot at winning, they are getting pommeled in those also. From what I've seen his being out coached and it has nothing to do with talent or a league. The talents there. It how you communicate and teach what your wanting your players to do. The pride is still in Logan Chieftain Football. Its more of a case of a poor product being force feed. I'd think that if the administration doesn't make changes, they are okay with the product they are paying for. That I have a problem with, because if that is the case then why did they get rid of coach Wolfe after only 3 years?? Coach Wolfe we all knew was in it for the long haul and was a product of those winning seasons at Logan, playing and coaching. Did they give coach Wolfe a fair shot? If the administration continues with this coach when is enough enough? Is it when there is 10 ppl in the stands or when the outstanding booster program says " we don't have the money anymore?" Or is it when Logan can't field a team bc all of the athletes have migrated to other programs or left the school district all together? With the Facilities at Logan has there is no way we should be having trouble getting athletes to go out for a sport. If anything Logan should be drawing the "out skirts" of the district kids in to playing for Logan.


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Re: Where does Logan go from here?

Post by Barber1973 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:08 am

Well said chief. Its time ger a change administration knows the fans r bout done. At least im hoping. When and if there change when will the public know



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Post by Howard Cosell » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:25 am

Orange and Brown wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:55 am
Logan needs a league so they can play more teams they can compete against. I think they are overdue for a coaching change as well.

This is horse crap. Logan had a long and storied run in a league where they were a big fish in a small pond. That league folded and now they have been forced to play better competition during a time when the talent hasnt been as good. No offense to the current athletes its just the truth. Doesnt make them bad kids they just arent great players. Then to stoke the fire we have a moderator on here calling for the coaches head. It begs the question would we be behaving this way if the topic title involved Nelsonville. You sir need to submit your resignation to mattash.


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Post by Orange and Brown » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:48 am

Howard Cosell wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:25 am
Orange and Brown wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:55 am
Logan needs a league so they can play more teams they can compete against. I think they are overdue for a coaching change as well.

This is horse crap. Logan had a long and storied run in a league where they were a big fish in a small pond. That league folded and now they have been forced to play better competition during a time when the talent hasnt been as good. No offense to the current athletes its just the truth. Doesnt make them bad kids they just arent great players. Then to stoke the fire we have a moderator on here calling for the coaches head. It begs the question would we be behaving this way if the topic title involved Nelsonville. You sir need to submit your resignation to mattash.
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Re: Where does Logan go from here?

Post by moonshine » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:49 am

Orange and Brown wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:55 am
Logan needs a league so they can play more teams they can compete against. I think they are overdue for a coaching change as well.
Point on! :mrgreen:



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Re: Where does Logan go from here?

Post by loganlocos » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:43 am

Howard Cosell wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:25 am
Orange and Brown wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:55 am
Logan needs a league so they can play more teams they can compete against. I think they are overdue for a coaching change as well.

This is horse crap. Logan had a long and storied run in a league where they were a big fish in a small pond. That league folded and now they have been forced to play better competition during a time when the talent hasnt been as good. No offense to the current athletes its just the truth. Doesnt make them bad kids they just arent great players. Then to stoke the fire we have a moderator on here calling for the coaches head. It begs the question would we be behaving this way if the topic title involved Nelsonville. You sir need to submit your resignation to mattash.
Logan wasn't even the largest school in the SEOAL until the late-90s/early 2000s.



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Re: Where does Logan go from here?

Post by Orange and Brown » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:14 am

loganlocos wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:43 am
Howard Cosell wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:25 am
Orange and Brown wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:55 am
Logan needs a league so they can play more teams they can compete against. I think they are overdue for a coaching change as well.

This is horse crap. Logan had a long and storied run in a league where they were a big fish in a small pond. That league folded and now they have been forced to play better competition during a time when the talent hasnt been as good. No offense to the current athletes its just the truth. Doesnt make them bad kids they just arent great players. Then to stoke the fire we have a moderator on here calling for the coaches head. It begs the question would we be behaving this way if the topic title involved Nelsonville. You sir need to submit your resignation to mattash.
Logan wasn't even the largest school in the SEOAL until the late-90s/early 2000s.
They just wanted to troll me..... :lol:


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Re: Where does Logan go from here?

Post by moonshine » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:28 am

Orange and Brown wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:14 am
loganlocos wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:43 am
Howard Cosell wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:25 am



This is horse crap. Logan had a long and storied run in a league where they were a big fish in a small pond. That league folded and now they have been forced to play better competition during a time when the talent hasnt been as good. No offense to the current athletes its just the truth. Doesnt make them bad kids they just arent great players. Then to stoke the fire we have a moderator on here calling for the coaches head. It begs the question would we be behaving this way if the topic title involved Nelsonville. You sir need to submit your resignation to mattash.
Logan wasn't even the largest school in the SEOAL until the late-90s/early 2000s.
They just wanted to troll me..... :lol:

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Post by noreply66 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:30 am

Howard Cosell wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:25 am
Orange and Brown wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:55 am
Logan needs a league so they can play more teams they can compete against. I think they are overdue for a coaching change as well.

This is horse crap. Logan had a long and storied run in a league where they were a big fish in a small pond. That league folded and now they have been forced to play better competition during a time when the talent hasnt been as good. No offense to the current athletes its just the truth. Doesnt make them bad kids they just arent great players. Then to stoke the fire we have a moderator on here calling for the coaches head. It begs the question would we be behaving this way if the topic title involved Nelsonville. You sir need to submit your resignation to mattash.
When Logan joined the SEOAL they were not a big fish in a small pond. Many of the schools were in communities that lost jobs and people moved out. Logan became bigger because of this plus shutting down small school to make just one in the county brought in more students. Closing the smaller schools didn't really help the numbers in sports that much. As far as underclasses they came smaller. Our under class numbers are not as high as when I was in school. Our 7th grade had anywhere from 60 to 70 boys out.


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Post by moonshine » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:33 am

Since our football program will start or have already started to lose money and then pay to play will be implemented, Then will we get a new winning coach! :mrgreen:



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Post by Paladin » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:49 am

As usual, a Logan thread has attracted some of the horsesarses on here. Logan, as a small school , was one of the founding members of the SEOAL. For decades they remained one of the smaller schools. Then a series of small Hocking county schools were consolidated into Logan, most of whom only played basketball. Still, the distance from home and lack of a ride home prevented many athletes from playing at Logan. Fast forward to today as many schools have shrank in size, Logan has maintained it size, but has fallen from a D-I to D-II. No one wants to hear that they still don’t get many athletes out because of no ride home after practice, playing at a D-II level while in reality being an effective D-III team lacking those athletes.

Now, add in an unpopular and ineffective coach. Why was he hired ? Well, he was a star at Lancaster, which in my mind doesn’t mean squat. He played college ball at Akron. Again, that doesn’t mean squat. He was an assistant on successful Davidson teams. Ok.K. However at Medina Buckeye , he was controversial and without meaningful success while also quitting as HC less than 2 weeks before the season started while remaining as a teacher. Then, somehow, Logan thinks this is their guy. Someone didn’t look very far. BTW, since he left Buckeye, a school who also has a pay to play policy, they have returned to powerhouse status, playing in the playoffs, including this year. Some of the problems at Logan go straight to the coach - lacks respect of the players, is disliked by some, fails to attract athletes who otherwise would be playing, fails at in game adjustments and makes questionable decisions to on who to play, where and when. In short, Logan, a school with lots of athletes, fails when it should be far more competitive. Not great, although those seasons will happen, but competitive. Schedule is not overwhelming and .500 is often possible, even though bigger schools of Logan’s size are played. Lack of a league leads to playing, often on a short term basis, schools with little to no history with Logan, but should be competitive, win or lose. Sometimes, you do play a powerhouse and lose, but that helps you get better rather than playing weenies.

It’s not reasonable to fire the entire staff, as most are teachers. Having teaching slots open to fill with other coaches becomes difficult if not impossible to do. Non teachers are not often what you want since daily interactions in classrooms are preferable. And most staffs are merely a reflection of the HC desire of what he wants run as an O or D, no matter if it was Dale or the current coach. They are merely marching to orders of the HC. Lack of a league will cause the schedule to attract some really difficult teams, ie, Garfield Hts, parochials DeSales or Watterson, Central Ohio D-I or II OCC teams while also playing similar sized teams like Chili, Zanesville, Sheridan, Athens, Jackson, TV, etc.

This is the first year I haven’t been down for a scrimmage, a game or the playoffs for a while so I’m reacting to what I hear and not what I’ve seen. My scouts tell me lots of athletes have stopped coming out for FB, there are serious locker room problems and the utilization of the athletes out are highly questioned. Usually when the kids use their feet to vote and avoid the program or cop a lack of desire in playing it’s a sure sign that the program needs a change at the top. To continue is to a invite sustained failure making a comeback extremely difficult to do. Time for reflection and some soul searching. New beginning needed.


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