OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

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Post by FANOSPORTS » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:11 pm

:( After week #1 only 3 teams are left in SEO East of Rt. 23 and below and not bordering the I-70 and I-71 coorridors (below Bellaire / Shadyside off of I-70 and/or the Marietta area off I-77). Wheelersburg, Trimble and Paint Valley who's just a bit west of Chillicothe. Wheelersburg will carry the flag with the best chance from here on out, Trimble should win this week & Paint Valley will probably go down this week.
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Re: OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

Post by Superman » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:04 pm

FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:11 pm
:( After week #1 only 3 teams are left in SEO East of Rt. 23 and below and not bordering the I-70 and I-71 coorridors (below Bellaire / Shadyside off of I-70 and/or the Marietta area off I-71). Wheelersburg, Trimble and Paint Valley who's just a bit west of Chillicothe. Wheelersburg will carry the flag with the best chance from here on out, Trimble should win this week & Paint Valley will probably go down this week.
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Post by FANOSPORTS » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:08 pm

Superman wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:04 pm
FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:11 pm
:( After week #1 only 3 teams are left in SEO East of Rt. 23 and below and not bordering the I-70 and I-71 coorridors (below Bellaire / Shadyside off of I-70 and/or the Marietta area off I-71). Wheelersburg, Trimble and Paint Valley who's just a bit west of Chillicothe. Wheelersburg will carry the flag with the best chance from here on out, Trimble should win this week & Paint Valley will probably go down this week.
Waterford?
I'm considering Waterford and Fort Frye in the I-71 Marietta corridor in the North part of the SEO region since they would be technically considered suburbs around Marietta IMO.
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Re: OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

Post by Orange and Brown » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:25 pm

FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:08 pm
Superman wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:04 pm
FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:11 pm
:( After week #1 only 3 teams are left in SEO East of Rt. 23 and below and not bordering the I-70 and I-71 coorridors (below Bellaire / Shadyside off of I-70 and/or the Marietta area off I-71). Wheelersburg, Trimble and Paint Valley who's just a bit west of Chillicothe. Wheelersburg will carry the flag with the best chance from here on out, Trimble should win this week & Paint Valley will probably go down this week.
Waterford?
I'm considering Waterford and Fort Frye in the I-71 Marietta corridor in the North part of the SEO region since they would be technically considered suburbs around Marietta IMO.
So you are just making up your own list of Southeastern Ohio teams?
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Re: OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

Post by FANOSPORTS » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:19 pm

Orange and Brown wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:25 pm
FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:08 pm
Superman wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:04 pm


Waterford?
I'm considering Waterford and Fort Frye in the I-71 Marietta corridor in the North part of the SEO region since they would be technically considered suburbs around Marietta IMO.
So you are just making up your own list of Southeastern Ohio teams?
Nope, just figuring communities and schools that aren't in or around metropolitan areas with over 100,000 people (Parkersburg/Marietta, Columbus/Newark, Wheeling/Moundsville/St. Clairsville areas) that don't border the two Interstates of I-70 and I-71 in the North part of the region, that's all. Just from a geographic point of view for the region as a whole, nothing more and nothing less. ;)
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Post by Paladin » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:32 pm

The reality is almost all of SEO got blown out on the opening weekend of the playoffs. Nothing new here. Only a few teams remain. And then , not for long.
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Re: OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

Post by Superman » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:28 pm

FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:08 pm
Superman wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:04 pm
FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:11 pm
:( After week #1 only 3 teams are left in SEO East of Rt. 23 and below and not bordering the I-70 and I-71 coorridors (below Bellaire / Shadyside off of I-70 and/or the Marietta area off I-71). Wheelersburg, Trimble and Paint Valley who's just a bit west of Chillicothe. Wheelersburg will carry the flag with the best chance from here on out, Trimble should win this week & Paint Valley will probably go down this week.
Waterford?
I'm considering Waterford and Fort Frye in the I-71 Marietta corridor in the North part of the SEO region since they would be technically considered suburbs around Marietta IMO.
Your confusing me with all this talk about I-71. Do you maybe mean I-77?

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Post by enigmaax » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:34 pm

FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:08 pm
Superman wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:04 pm
FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:11 pm
:( After week #1 only 3 teams are left in SEO East of Rt. 23 and below and not bordering the I-70 and I-71 coorridors (below Bellaire / Shadyside off of I-70 and/or the Marietta area off I-71). Wheelersburg, Trimble and Paint Valley who's just a bit west of Chillicothe. Wheelersburg will carry the flag with the best chance from here on out, Trimble should win this week & Paint Valley will probably go down this week.
Waterford?
I'm considering Waterford and Fort Frye in the I-71 Marietta corridor in the North part of the SEO region since they would be technically considered suburbs around Marietta IMO.
Neither one is anything like a suburb or really anything like Marietta.

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Re: OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

Post by FANOSPORTS » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:35 pm

Superman wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:28 pm
FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:08 pm
Superman wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:04 pm


Waterford?
I'm considering Waterford and Fort Frye in the I-71 Marietta corridor in the North part of the SEO region since they would be technically considered suburbs around Marietta IMO.
Your confusing me with all this talk about I-71. Do you maybe mean I-77?
Sorry, yes I-77 :oops:
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Re: OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

Post by FANOSPORTS » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:49 pm

enigmaax wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:34 pm
FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:08 pm
Superman wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:04 pm


Waterford?
I'm considering Waterford and Fort Frye in the I-71 Marietta corridor in the North part of the SEO region since they would be technically considered suburbs around Marietta IMO.
Neither one is anything like a suburb or really anything like Marietta.
The traditional way of life is not the same as city life but If you're within a 20-30 minute drive of a metropolitan area that is still a suburb or outlying district of a city. Some people call them bedroom communities when people routinely drive to them for work , shopping , etc. on a daily or weekly basis.
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Re: OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

Post by Orange and Brown » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:18 pm

FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:49 pm
enigmaax wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:34 pm
FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:08 pm


I'm considering Waterford and Fort Frye in the I-71 Marietta corridor in the North part of the SEO region since they would be technically considered suburbs around Marietta IMO.
Neither one is anything like a suburb or really anything like Marietta.
The traditional way of life is not the same as city life but If you're within a 20-30 minute drive of a metropolitan area that is still a suburb or outlying district of a city. Some people call them bedroom communities when people routinely drive to them for work , shopping , etc. on a daily or weekly basis.
You can call them what you want but they are still playing and they are in Southeastern Ohio.
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Post by enigmaax » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:44 pm

Orange and Brown wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:18 pm
FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:49 pm
enigmaax wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:34 pm

Neither one is anything like a suburb or really anything like Marietta.
The traditional way of life is not the same as city life but If you're within a 20-30 minute drive of a metropolitan area that is still a suburb or outlying district of a city. Some people call them bedroom communities when people routinely drive to them for work , shopping , etc. on a daily or weekly basis.
You can call them what you want but they are still playing and they are in Southeastern Ohio.
I know what a suburb is and what a bedroom community is. Most people don’t say, “I want to work in Marietta so I am going to move to Waterford or Beverly.” Most people who live there grew up there or married someone who hrew up there. Both, but maybe to a greater extent, Waterford is basically a farm community - the “town” literally has about 4 streets. Marietta, itself, is not some major metropolis to begin with, but even accepting your interstate logic, it just simply does not affect Waterford/Beverly in the least. I don’t know exactly why you are trying to make the distinction, but I just think you are badly mischaracterizing the dynamic. Not trying to be rude and I’m curious about your perspective. Have you ever been to Waterford or Beverly?

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Post by FANOSPORTS » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:05 pm

enigmaax wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:44 pm
Orange and Brown wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:18 pm
FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:49 pm


The traditional way of life is not the same as city life but If you're within a 20-30 minute drive of a metropolitan area that is still a suburb or outlying district of a city. Some people call them bedroom communities when people routinely drive to them for work , shopping , etc. on a daily or weekly basis.
You can call them what you want but they are still playing and they are in Southeastern Ohio.
I know what a suburb is and what a bedroom community is. Most people don’t say, “I want to work in Marietta so I am going to move to Waterford or Beverly.” Most people who live there grew up there or married someone who hrew up there. Both, but maybe to a greater extent, Waterford is basically a farm community - the “town” literally has about 4 streets. Marietta, itself, is not some major metropolis to begin with, but even accepting your interstate logic, it just simply does not affect Waterford/Beverly in the least. I don’t know exactly why you are trying to make the distinction, but I just think you are badly mischaracterizing the dynamic. Not trying to be rude and I’m curious about your perspective. Have you ever been to Waterford or Beverly?
Yep, used to travel old 60 to Zanesville and 339 thru Beverly/Waterford, mostly years ago. Went to a few football games @ Warren local years ago. Had some friends that lived over to the west in Stockport and played a lot of softball tournaments in Marietta when I was younger so yeah i'm familiar with the area. I grew up 2 and 3 counties down the Ohio river from there so i'm familiar with SEO and most of the town's even though I've lived around Columbus the last 30 years. My perspective when it comes to high school sports, especially in SEO as most of the rest of the state has never seemed to respect it athletic wise at the high school level anyway is that when you live around a metropolitan area it gives you a step up with a better economic base with the taxes, manufacturing, businesses, many more career job opportunities w/benefits etc. and those go hand in hand with keeping new growth, generational families, schools, athletic programs and communities viable in the long run. It's just sad to me that most of SEO will never have those opportunities and the few that are around these areas and do well in athletics with some good success will never be on the same level playing field as the rest of the state with some of it due to the regional population and political representation. Heck, some of these places across the state have athletic complexes and facilities worth more than some SEO towns , city or maybe county budgets for the year. On that note i'll jump off this bandwagon and wish all the remaining SEO teams good luck this weekend.
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Re: OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

Post by enigmaax » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:25 am

FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:05 pm
enigmaax wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:44 pm
Orange and Brown wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:18 pm


You can call them what you want but they are still playing and they are in Southeastern Ohio.
I know what a suburb is and what a bedroom community is. Most people don’t say, “I want to work in Marietta so I am going to move to Waterford or Beverly.” Most people who live there grew up there or married someone who hrew up there. Both, but maybe to a greater extent, Waterford is basically a farm community - the “town” literally has about 4 streets. Marietta, itself, is not some major metropolis to begin with, but even accepting your interstate logic, it just simply does not affect Waterford/Beverly in the least. I don’t know exactly why you are trying to make the distinction, but I just think you are badly mischaracterizing the dynamic. Not trying to be rude and I’m curious about your perspective. Have you ever been to Waterford or Beverly?
Yep, used to travel old 60 to Zanesville and 339 thru Beverly/Waterford, mostly years ago. Went to a few football games @ Warren local years ago. Had some friends that lived over to the west in Stockport and played a lot of softball tournaments in Marietta when I was younger so yeah i'm familiar with the area. I grew up 2 and 3 counties down the Ohio river from there so i'm familiar with SEO and most of the town's even though I've lived around Columbus the last 30 years. My perspective when it comes to high school sports, especially in SEO as most of the rest of the state has never seemed to respect it athletic wise at the high school level anyway is that when you live around a metropolitan area it gives you a step up with a better economic base with the taxes, manufacturing, businesses, many more career job opportunities w/benefits etc. and those go hand in hand with keeping new growth, generational families, schools, athletic programs and communities viable in the long run. It's just sad to me that most of SEO will never have those opportunities and the few that are around these areas and do well in athletics with some good success will never be on the same level playing field as the rest of the state with some of it due to the regional population and political representation. Heck, some of these places across the state have athletic complexes and facilities worth more than some SEO towns , city or maybe county budgets for the year. On that note i'll jump off this bandwagon and wish all the remaining SEO teams good luck this weekend.
Thanks for sharing. Good take, which is why I thought it was odd that you excluded Waterford and Beverly; I see them as about as SEO as SEO gets. The gap has closed a bit in the information age, I think. I also notice that travel habits have changed and that has helped local sports programs; for example, when I was a kid, Columbus was a really big trip but now it is nothing for kids to play tournaments there and beyond every weekend. There’s a long way to go and it may never completely catch up, but the opportunities have increased tremendously in the last 10-20 years.

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Re: OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

Post by FANOSPORTS » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:49 am

enigmaax wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:25 am
FANOSPORTS wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:05 pm
enigmaax wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:44 pm


I know what a suburb is and what a bedroom community is. Most people don’t say, “I want to work in Marietta so I am going to move to Waterford or Beverly.” Most people who live there grew up there or married someone who hrew up there. Both, but maybe to a greater extent, Waterford is basically a farm community - the “town” literally has about 4 streets. Marietta, itself, is not some major metropolis to begin with, but even accepting your interstate logic, it just simply does not affect Waterford/Beverly in the least. I don’t know exactly why you are trying to make the distinction, but I just think you are badly mischaracterizing the dynamic. Not trying to be rude and I’m curious about your perspective. Have you ever been to Waterford or Beverly?
Yep, used to travel old 60 to Zanesville and 339 thru Beverly/Waterford, mostly years ago. Went to a few football games @ Warren local years ago. Had some friends that lived over to the west in Stockport and played a lot of softball tournaments in Marietta when I was younger so yeah i'm familiar with the area. I grew up 2 and 3 counties down the Ohio river from there so i'm familiar with SEO and most of the town's even though I've lived around Columbus the last 30 years. My perspective when it comes to high school sports, especially in SEO as most of the rest of the state has never seemed to respect it athletic wise at the high school level anyway is that when you live around a metropolitan area it gives you a step up with a better economic base with the taxes, manufacturing, businesses, many more career job opportunities w/benefits etc. and those go hand in hand with keeping new growth, generational families, schools, athletic programs and communities viable in the long run. It's just sad to me that most of SEO will never have those opportunities and the few that are around these areas and do well in athletics with some good success will never be on the same level playing field as the rest of the state with some of it due to the regional population and political representation. Heck, some of these places across the state have athletic complexes and facilities worth more than some SEO towns , city or maybe county budgets for the year. On that note i'll jump off this bandwagon and wish all the remaining SEO teams good luck this weekend.
Thanks for sharing. Good take, which is why I thought it was odd that you excluded Waterford and Beverly; I see them as about as SEO as SEO gets. The gap has closed a bit in the information age, I think. I also notice that travel habits have changed and that has helped local sports programs; for example, when I was a kid, Columbus was a really big trip but now it is nothing for kids to play tournaments there and beyond every weekend. There’s a long way to go and it may never completely catch up, but the opportunities have increased tremendously in the last 10-20 years.
Yes and travel ball in all sports has helped tremendously down there in the formative years especially by letting kids play up and against better competition but there's still a big disparity where a lot of teams down there have to get kids (that usually end up playing against each other by the time they get to high school ) from 2, 3 or 4 counties to form 1 great team because of sheer problems associated with means, numbers, $, travel costs, etc. and teams from bigger municipalities across the state can form their teams with kids from the same county and have multiple teams along with being the hosts of most of the tourneys . ;)
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Post by 79Tiger » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:54 pm

I believe I have told this story before but it is worth telling again. It is how the northerners view SEO. And that includes coaches. When I was at Akron, I got a call from the D Coordinator to show a recruit around for the weekend. I asked why he chose me. He said you're from SEO and so is this recruit. I asked where he was from. He said Steubenville. I told him "you don't have any idea where Ironton is do you." I declined his request.
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79Tiger wrote:
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I believe I have told this story before but it is worth telling again. It is how the northerners view SEO. And that includes coaches. When I was at Akron, I got a call from the D Coordinator to show a recruit around for the weekend. I asked why he chose me. He said you're from SEO and so is this recruit. I asked where he was from. He said Steubenville. I told him "you don't have any idea where Ironton is do you." I declined his request.
You gotta love it when your college coach doesn't even know the geography of the state he's coaching in. As we'd say down home: "You did good " declining that request . Did you at least give him that funny look like " are you serious" :lol:
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Post by Paladin » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:06 pm

Actually, Steubenville is paired up with the South All Star team for the Ohio North-South game and have been for decades. They are “Rebels”. Roughly only the top one third of Ohio geographically makes up the “North”. Bottom two thirds are where the South teams come from.
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Post by 79Tiger » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:04 pm

I am aware of that. I played in that game in 1980. But there is a big difference geographically between Ironton and Steubenville. You would think he would be aware of that. When I explained that Ironton was in Southern Ohio on the river, most thought of Cincinnati. When I told them that it was on the eastern side of the state, they would ask near Marietta? It is like nothing existed south of Marietta in the eastern part of the state.
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Post by FANOSPORTS » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:52 pm

Just a few #'s to throw out there for Rd#1:

17 teams scored no points (DIII was the only division to have no shutouts)
28 more teams scored 10 or less (2 of these played defense and won their games)
36 teams lost by 30 points or more (16% of the field)
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Otto wrote:
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The creation of D7 was a mistake. I think the system was better off with only D1-D6. Even the state championships got so bloated that they had to add a Thursday game to accomodate all the divisions. As it has been mentioned here and on other sites, it seems that the expansion was not really made to help out the small schools, but rather to take pressure off of the D1 schools. Right now there are a lot of schools who are in D2 who should really be in D1.

It's obvious how this just waters down the divisions. Teams that made the playoffs once every 10 years or had never even made the playoffs before now get in routinely. This is the equivalent of the "give every kid a trophy" mentality that plagues sports these days.
How should a DII school, really be DI, if they do not have the enrollment figures than they are what they are. Before the creation of the 7th Division schools in the biggest division was seeing 1,500 student discrepancies in size. People (primarily you) in SE Ohio only think it’s crazy because this only effects 1 school (Logan). However at the same time folks are constantly complaining about bigger schools in our District being unfair. As for strength of schedule being weighted, it is, very well that’s how 4-6, 5-5 and 6-4 teams make it in every year.

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Post by FANOSPORTS » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:36 am

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:( After week #1 only 3 teams are left in SEO East of Rt. 23 and below and not bordering the I-70 and I-71 coorridors (below Bellaire / Shadyside off of I-70 and/or the Marietta area off I-77). Wheelersburg, Trimble and Paint Valley who's just a bit west of Chillicothe. Wheelersburg will carry the flag with the best chance from here on out, Trimble should win this week & Paint Valley will probably go down this week.
Just to piggyback on my original topic here I posted on Sunday before the sites for Rd #2 games were posted or announced , until some of the teams below the "Mason-Dixon" line in our region start winning some first round games a lot of casual SEO fans that like to attend games to support area teams are mostly left out in the cold unless they want to travel many, many miles for a playoff game unlike most other areas of the state where you can usually find a game (sometimes more) every 25-30 miles or so in round #2. Of the 12 games this weekend that involve SEO region teams ( including Burg in SW region 20 and Tri-Valley in D2), 10 games are being played in the I-70 / I-77 corridor (Dover, Hamilton Township, Newark, Zanesville 2 games, Philo, Maysville, New Philadelphia, Watkins Memorial & Coshocton). The only 2 games below the line are Burgs game in Chillicothe and if they hadn't finished as the #1 seed in 20 the OHSAA would probably have them playing somewhere over off I-71 and it just so happens that Trimble & Harvest Prep run along Rt.33 and that was a no brainer for OHSAA you would think to choose Logan for that one but stranger things have happened before. It would be great if they could host some 2nd round week #12 games in 4 or 5 places at Southern Ohio football venues but we'll have to start winning a few 1st rd. games before that can come to fruition.
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Re: OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

Post by Otto » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:39 pm

Pol pot wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:50 am
Otto wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:51 pm
The creation of D7 was a mistake. I think the system was better off with only D1-D6. Even the state championships got so bloated that they had to add a Thursday game to accomodate all the divisions. As it has been mentioned here and on other sites, it seems that the expansion was not really made to help out the small schools, but rather to take pressure off of the D1 schools. Right now there are a lot of schools who are in D2 who should really be in D1.

It's obvious how this just waters down the divisions. Teams that made the playoffs once every 10 years or had never even made the playoffs before now get in routinely. This is the equivalent of the "give every kid a trophy" mentality that plagues sports these days.
How should a DII school, really be DI, if they do not have the enrollment figures than they are what they are. Before the creation of the 7th Division schools in the biggest division was seeing 1,500 student discrepancies in size. People (primarily you) in SE Ohio only think it’s crazy because this only effects 1 school (Logan). However at the same time folks are constantly complaining about bigger schools in our District being unfair. As for strength of schedule being weighted, it is, very well that’s how 4-6, 5-5 and 6-4 teams make it in every year.
It becomes obvious when you see the lopsided success of these D2 schools that used to be in D1. Until last season, every D2 state champion and state runner-up from 2013-2016 was a D1 school prior to 2013. Seems like more than just a coincidence to me. If these schools really "belonged" in D2, they wouldn't drop down a division and immediately dominate like they did. Last year finally broke that trend, with Hoban and Winton Woods in the finals. In fact even Hoban is not technically D2, they are a "superteam" that got moved due to competitive balance.

Another thing that I don't get is some of these teams have been playing big-school football for 100+ years, powerhouses like Massillon and Warren Harding. These teams have been D1 practically forever, have competed and had great success against D1 competition, yet all of a sudden they "needed" to be D2? Something about this seems off to me.

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Re: OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

Post by enigmaax » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:11 am

Otto wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:39 pm
Pol pot wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:50 am
Otto wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:51 pm
The creation of D7 was a mistake. I think the system was better off with only D1-D6. Even the state championships got so bloated that they had to add a Thursday game to accomodate all the divisions. As it has been mentioned here and on other sites, it seems that the expansion was not really made to help out the small schools, but rather to take pressure off of the D1 schools. Right now there are a lot of schools who are in D2 who should really be in D1.

It's obvious how this just waters down the divisions. Teams that made the playoffs once every 10 years or had never even made the playoffs before now get in routinely. This is the equivalent of the "give every kid a trophy" mentality that plagues sports these days.
How should a DII school, really be DI, if they do not have the enrollment figures than they are what they are. Before the creation of the 7th Division schools in the biggest division was seeing 1,500 student discrepancies in size. People (primarily you) in SE Ohio only think it’s crazy because this only effects 1 school (Logan). However at the same time folks are constantly complaining about bigger schools in our District being unfair. As for strength of schedule being weighted, it is, very well that’s how 4-6, 5-5 and 6-4 teams make it in every year.
It becomes obvious when you see the lopsided success of these D2 schools that used to be in D1. Until last season, every D2 state champion and state runner-up from 2013-2016 was a D1 school prior to 2013. Seems like more than just a coincidence to me. If these schools really "belonged" in D2, they wouldn't drop down a division and immediately dominate like they did. Last year finally broke that trend, with Hoban and Winton Woods in the finals. In fact even Hoban is not technically D2, they are a "superteam" that got moved due to competitive balance.

Another thing that I don't get is some of these teams have been playing big-school football for 100+ years, powerhouses like Massillon and Warren Harding. These teams have been D1 practically forever, have competed and had great success against D1 competition, yet all of a sudden they "needed" to be D2? Something about this seems off to me.
Your logic is that if a team can somewhat hold its own when the odds are stacked against it, there is no reason to actually even the odds?

Example - 2016, LaSalle won DII. They were previously DI and that is what you are mad about. Their enrollment number is 431. They beat DI runnerup St. X in the regular season. St. X has over 1100 students. Why should LaSalle always have to compete for a regional title, let alone a state title with a school nearly 3 times bigger simply because they happened to have had some success?

Same with Massillon, who has never won a state title anyway (so not sure why they are the example). Their rival has almost twice the enrollment number (900+ to >600). Your logic is that since they’ve been competitive despite the discrepancy, they should always have to face that obstacle?

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Re: OHSAA FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS ?

Post by Otto » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:08 am

enigmaax wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:11 am
Otto wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:39 pm
Pol pot wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:50 am


How should a DII school, really be DI, if they do not have the enrollment figures than they are what they are. Before the creation of the 7th Division schools in the biggest division was seeing 1,500 student discrepancies in size. People (primarily you) in SE Ohio only think it’s crazy because this only effects 1 school (Logan). However at the same time folks are constantly complaining about bigger schools in our District being unfair. As for strength of schedule being weighted, it is, very well that’s how 4-6, 5-5 and 6-4 teams make it in every year.
It becomes obvious when you see the lopsided success of these D2 schools that used to be in D1. Until last season, every D2 state champion and state runner-up from 2013-2016 was a D1 school prior to 2013. Seems like more than just a coincidence to me. If these schools really "belonged" in D2, they wouldn't drop down a division and immediately dominate like they did. Last year finally broke that trend, with Hoban and Winton Woods in the finals. In fact even Hoban is not technically D2, they are a "superteam" that got moved due to competitive balance.

Another thing that I don't get is some of these teams have been playing big-school football for 100+ years, powerhouses like Massillon and Warren Harding. These teams have been D1 practically forever, have competed and had great success against D1 competition, yet all of a sudden they "needed" to be D2? Something about this seems off to me.
Your logic is that if a team can somewhat hold its own when the odds are stacked against it, there is no reason to actually even the odds?

Example - 2016, LaSalle won DII. They were previously DI and that is what you are mad about. Their enrollment number is 431. They beat DI runnerup St. X in the regular season. St. X has over 1100 students. Why should LaSalle always have to compete for a regional title, let alone a state title with a school nearly 3 times bigger simply because they happened to have had some success?

Same with Massillon, who has never won a state title anyway (so not sure why they are the example). Their rival has almost twice the enrollment number (900+ to >600). Your logic is that since they’ve been competitive despite the discrepancy, they should always have to face that obstacle?
There is ALWAYS going to be imbalance in D1, no matter how you slice the pie. The largest school in D1 this year has almost 200 more boys than the next largest school. According to you, that's unfair. I guess that we should just give them their own division then, and let's go ahead and give them the trophy since they are the only team in it. Even now, St. X (and its 1100+ students) has a 500 kid advantage over the smallest D1 schools. It's just how it is in D1.

Since you care about numerical fairness, there are only 72 schools in D1. Every other division has over 100 schools, up to 110 in D6. Is it fair that a school in a smaller division has to compete against a higher number of schools than a D1 school does? If you really wanted fairness, you could divide the schools evenly and have 102 schools in each division. Or get rid of D7, do the same thing, and make it 120 schools in each division.

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