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of the Elite 8 teams - which one will be the 'last team standing'?

 
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pfloyd wrote:took out a loan so I can get a pretzel & a water before the games start
You do realize your I-Town maffia buddies charge about 30 cents on the dollar ... I guess we all know who will be #1 again next year - no way Floyd can repay that debt before the 2013/2014 hoops season ... :mrgreen:

BTW ... gonna be late for the DIII games tonight ... we have coach Skinner coming on the Sportsfan from 6:06 - 7:00 ... just make sure nobody steals my seat Floyd!


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pfloyd, you got to learn the tricks of taking some imports into the Convo.


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FLOYD ... I'M THINKING WITH ALL THE INFO STILL FRESH IN YOUR MIND ... WE NEED A 2013/2014 PRE-SEASON ELITE 8!


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... before I post anything about the game I would like to THANK both of these excellent basketball TEAMS ... great players ALL, great coaches BOTH, great fans for BOTH schools ... THANK YOU for leaving everything on the floor and then some ... one of those cases where you hate that either one of the two TEAMS had to lose ... I could have stayed and watched both of those groups of youngsters go at it for as many extra periods as they cared to go ... THANK YOU - I'm still smiling about the play on both sides last night, EVERY person to a man that I saw today greeted me with "What a game last night!!!" ... Thank you ...

... WOW!!! WHAT A GAME !!! between two of the best high school teams Below the Lancaster-Dixon Line ... last nights semi final game between the Athens Bulldogs and the Warren Warriors has a legacy that will continue into the 2013 - 2014 season... both teams are talented, young, return the main cogs of their respective squads, both have their eyes fixed on runs into the tournament - the Regional Final , then onto the Final Four ... so much talent on the floor for both teams last night ... Warren drew first blood getting a three from THEIR "Big" Dylan Leffingwell , DL showed early on that the matchup with Jared Elmore was one sided in favor of the Warren big man - inside or getting to the rim off the dribble was a mismatch for the Athens post man - Leffingwell was too quick/the Warren big man led WHS in scoring in the first 2 quarters (9 pts) ... Warren got scoring from all corners of the court in period 1 & 2 ( Evan Yabs a trey, Reece Patton 4 pts., Danny Pannell a three ball, Adam Lang 3 pts - the only non scorers were French and Hall in the first) Warren went 3/6 from downtown in the first period ... Athens was led by Joey Burrow (8 pts) 2 threes in the opening quarter, Ibi Watson added 3 pts to round out the Bulldog scoring after one ... Warren 18 Athens 11 end of one ... Athens offensively except for Burrow was anemic at best thru 1 1/2 quarters but as every game has its ebs and flows this one was no different - as we have watched at the Convo with seemingly EVERY game the folks in stripes had swallowed their whistles, in almost every game unless blood was drawn fouls were few and far between ... in quarter number 2 the refs decided to cough up the whistles and become part of the game - Warren was whistled for 10 fouls in quarter number 2, every WHS starter was whistled for 2 fouls - bench time for French/Patton/Hall/Leffingwell/Yabs ... Coach Maddox went 9 deep on his bench ... the offensive flow that Warren showed in the 1st quarter had disappeared/ trailing 22-11 with 4:43 left in the second Coach Skinner for Athens called a time out ... after the TO, and with Warren starters riding the bench with personal fouls, the Bulldogs showed their zone defense for the first time in the game ... ALL of the ingredients for a "perfect storm" were in place for AHS ... the fouls on Warren put Athens at the line, Warren had no scorers on the floor, Athens whittled away at the lead offensively while holding Warren to 2 points the rest of the quarter ... Warren 24 Athens 21 at intermission ... Quarter number 3 continued the Athens assault, the "perfect storm" was unleashing it's fury on the Warriors - Athens from the 4:43 mark of the 2nd to the end of the 3rd went on a 35-11 run ! led by the " 3 youngin's" - Watson (fr)/Saltzman (fr) and Burrow (soph) - the trio knocked down 31 pts (3/6 triples) in the 35 pt Athens blitz ... as impressive as the offensive run for the Bulldogs was imo holding Warren to 11 points in almost 12 minutes of clock was just as impressive, Athens held Evan French to a total of 2 pts thru 3 qtrs/Michael Hall 5/Reece Patton 6 - great stuff to watch from the Cheap Seats ... Athens 46 Warren 35 after three ... Storms - as bad as they can be, even the "perfect storms" have something in common - they have an end ... for Warren the storm clouds gave way to Evan French - instead of being a "perfect storm" French was simply "perfect" in the 4th quarter ... the junior poured in 21 points in the quarter/ 3 for 3 from behind the arc, 6/6 from the FT line ... by the time there was even a "cloud in the sky" the Warriors - with French providing the offensive assault,TEAM Big Bad Blue forcing the Bulldogs to turn the ball over 7 times - and even with the best that Joey Burrow (8 points in the 4th/2 threes) could muster - Warren had come all the way back tying the game at 60-60 with 1:36 to play in regulation (whew!!! I'm excited just typing that stuff! LOL) ... the final minute and half saw French hit a 15 foot jumper and 2 Ibi Watson "ice in his veins" FTs to tie it at 62-62 ... the Bulldogs had the ball with :09.4 seconds to play ... side out at mid court, inbound in the back court/ pass back to Burrow who took his eyes off of the pass - ball was going out of bounds Burrow with a GREAT athletic save back to Watson ( a BAD save would have had Warren going the other way for a transition 2 for the win) Watson was unable to get the ball off at the buzzer! Athens 62 Warren 62 end of regulation ... sitting in the cheap seats I was looking for Athens to get the ball into Saltzman's hands - the kid "gets to the rim" - if he doesn't score he goes to the line - didn't happen - this one went OT ... Warren went on a 27-16 run in the fourth to forge the tie, momentum was wearing the Blue & White, the game was safely in the hands of Evan French ... French had 6 points in OT, the Warriors defensively turned Athens over 4 times in the overtime period, from the line WHS was 6/8 in OT ... Warriors move on to the Elite 8 ... Warren 74 Athens 69 OT a final ...


... Pfloyd Napkin Stats - Athens ...

Scoring : Joey Burrow 28, Ibi Watson 22, Zacchia Saltzman 13, Ryan Leuhrman 2, Adam Leuhrman 2, Jared Elmore 2

3 Pointers : 8/19 ... Burrow 6, Watson 1, Saltzman 1

FT's : 14/24

TOs: 14 ... 11 turnovers in the 4th & OT combined


... Congratulations to Coach Skinner and the Athens TEAM ... a pleasure to watch the Bulldogs this season, great accomplishment for such a youngster loaded team to make the regional semi finals even more impressive for them to play themselves into a position to be right there with a chance to move on to the Elite 8 ... the Bulldogs with Watson/Burrow/Saltzman/Leuhrman 'squared" will be battling it out for SEOhio regional supremacy for the next few years to come ... as far as a final imo on the game - the Warren comeback ? was a combination of WHS pressure defensively in the 4th/AHS youth getting rattled under the pressure AND a couple of TIMELY calls going in favor of the Warriors to keep the onslaught rolling (i.e. the phantom over & back call) ...


... Pfloyd Napkin Stats - Warren...


Scoring : Evan French 29 (27 pts. in the 4th/OT periods), Dylan Leffingwell 14, Reece Patton 13, Adam Lang 6, Michael Hall 6, Evan Yabs 3, Danny Pannell 3

3 pointers : 6/18 ... French 3, Yabs 1, Pannell 1, Leffingwell 1

FT's : 20/27 ... 13/16 in the 4th/OT periods

TOs : 10


... what can you say - the Big Stage brings the best out in some players - those that accept the pressures of the game - Evan French put the Warriors on his back and carried them to the regional final ... I watched Evan French throw down 44 points at Chillicothe during the regular season - the 29 points/21 in the 4th last night I won't forget this performance by Mr. French - incredible ... in the Athens stat line - I mentioned that it looked like the Bulldog youth showed up in the 4th (TO wise/shot selection wise) ... imo the Warren composure - a reflection of Coach Maddox's game demeanor - allowed the BBB to come back in this one ... nothing was rushed - passes/shots - even as the clock ran down, even as Lou bellowed "2 minutes! 2 minutes to the Elite 8!" - composure/floor leadership by French/Leffingwell/Yabs/Pannell/Patton/Hall/Adam Long - TEAM BBB ... great game !!! Congratulations to Coach Maddox, Coach Duckworth, Coach Mitchem (you can breath now !) ... Best of luck in representing the SE District tomorrow at 3 pm vs New Philly !!!


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... Preseason Elite 8 ? ... I can do that ... want to get through tomorrows games at the Convo first ... they will clear the Convo between the D2 & D3 finals tomorrow - correct ????

Warren vs New Philly 3 pm tip off

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"i.e. the phantom over & back call"

I heard some people complaining about that one. The kid caught the ball in the air jumping across the line. Can't do that. He needed to have his feet down before touching the ball. It wasn't a phantom at all.


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what line? its just a big painted Bobcat ... lol ... I was exactly at mid-court on press row - he didn't even need to jump, he was 2 feet past the line (or line that goes from one Bobcat ear to the sideline) ...

needless to say though that exact play didn't really have an impact on the outcome ... it didn't help things - but so many things happened after that.


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... from my Cheap Seat vantage point which wasn't good at all on that play LOL - it sure looked like he was already on the AHS side of the court ... as far as not a factor in the game ? it kept the crowd in an uproar for Warren, the momentum of continuing the pressure WITH results, getting the ball back into French's hands - not sure I would ever call getting a questionable call going in your favor at any time during the 4th qtr/OT when continuing a 27-16/39 - 23 run to tie/win the game "didn't really have an impact ..."


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I guess I should have stated it this way: "it was 1 of about 15 things that impacted the outcome" ....

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pfloyd wrote:... from my Cheap Seat vantage point which wasn't good at all on that play LOL - it sure looked like he was already on the AHS side of the court ... as far as not a factor in the game ? it kept the crowd in an uproar for Warren, the momentum of continuing the pressure WITH results, getting the ball back into French's hands - not sure I would ever call getting a questionable call going in your favor at any time during the 4th qtr/OT when continuing a 27-16/39 - 23 run to tie/win the game "didn't really have an impact ..."


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I was up higher than Bulldog, but almost right on the line as well. I anticipated the call as soon as I saw the ball going that direction because of where the kid was standing. But, obviously we saw it differently and I guess we won't change our minds without the benefit of a slow motion replay or something. One reason I prefer TV sports to live events (ha ha).

I do find it hilarious that there would be any talk about shifting momentum in favor of Warren after the 6 backcourt fouls called on Warren when they were up in the first half. Or the no-travel-call when the Athens player fell down with the ball as Warren was trying furiously to get back into the game. Or how the ref that got taken out as an Athens player lost the ball out of bounds stood up, chased the Athens player down to pat him on the butt, and then gave the ball back to Athens. I wouldn't have brought up the poor officiating, win or lose, despite feeling it was terrible the entire game . Yet, I keep reading about how Athens was somehow robbed?


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enigmaax wrote:Yet, I keep reading about how Athens was somehow robbed?
I havn't read where one single 'Athens poster' has said such a thing ... I have no idea who the other user names are posting about the refs - I just know they are not from Athens. (I've been on SEOPS long enough to know who the 'Bulldogs' are ... :mrgreen:


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... enigmaax - YOU obviously had a much better viewpoint than I did for sure ... last nights game was one that - even as I was keeping my stats - I was into 100% ! LOL ... on the edge of my seat, cheering BOTH teams as there were BIG plays on both sides of the court ALL game ... one of those games as a high school hoops fan you can't help but appreciate the play by both teams all 4+ quarters - it was awesome to watch ...

... as far as the posts criticizing Coach Skinner??? seriously??? ... I have watched the Bulldogs with a "critical" eye for many seasons - especially from Coach Skinner's 'first" run as the AHS coach, thru the McNeal years and now the last few years where the dawgs have been back under Coach's leadership ... Coach Skinner imo has been at the top of the list in getting his teams to control tempo/ changing up D's/pushing the ball when needed/drawing the horses back when needed - heck I sat with Coach Skinner before the Athens vs Vinton Co game at McAfee (I walked in and Coach S asked me to sit with him on the end of the bench for a chat) I told Coach at that time that I thought that since his return to being the AHS head coach he had gotten better court side ... Coach Skinner has great passion for the game, a competitor, wears his emotions on his sleeve (being a competitor himself, wanting his players/team to do the same on the court tends to do that to a person) ... does he do everything right 100% of the time - nope - who does ... does he critique himself harder than any other person can? absolutely!!! the good ones ALWAYS do that!!! the good coaches, the good players ALWAYS look at their last "performances" saying how can I do better, never being satisfied win or lose - THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET BETTER - NEVER BEING SATISFIED it's called improving ... Coach Skinner is never satisfied with himself, his kids on the floor , always looking to improve - imo if you ever get satisfied as a coach or player it's time to move on ... I am looking forward to seeing Coach court side for A'town for many years and really looking forward to seeing the group of youngsters Coach Skinner is nurturing for the next 1,2,3,4 years ... great season Coach Skinner ...


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enigmaax wrote:Yet, I keep reading about how Athens was somehow robbed?
I havn't read where one single 'Athens poster' has said such a thing ... I have no idea who the other user names are posting about the refs - I just know they are not from Athens. (I've been on SEOPS long enough to know who the 'Bulldogs' are ... :mrgreen:
I didn't say where anyone was from. I fully realize that the opinions may not represent "Athens fans". But in addition to the multiple conversations I heard immediately after the event (standing around the Convo and heading to the car), I was referring to the following:
Iggy25 wrote:Once again the officiating crew gave Warren the win in the second half. Athens was the better team.
Wakawakawaka wrote:A note about the officials, I think they kind of evened it out: Athens in the first warren in the second. But that is not how it is supposed to be done, you call fouls when you see them you can't play around with momentum like that. The goal isn't to even out the fouls, it's to call it when you see it.
BulldogCoach2012 wrote:I was also amazed that Warren could get all 2000 people to boo at once as the officials went to halftime. I guess the officiating stunk the first half and then they were great. Athens saw it the other way.
pfloyd wrote: the Warren comeback ? was a combination of WHS pressure defensively in the 4th/AHS youth getting rattled under the pressure AND a couple of TIMELY calls going in favor of the Warriors to keep the onslaught rolling (i.e. the phantom over & back call)


I don't make a habit of complaining about the refs and as I mentioned, I wouldn't have posted about it even if Warren had lost despite feeling frustrated as a spectator for most of the game. Then to hear and read so much of the exact opposite sentiment that I felt all night after Warren pulled it out...I don't know, it is just weird to me. Funny thing, I think the Mariettans (for those who don't know, Warren's bitter rival) that I know and/or talked to were about split on, "the refs beat Athens for you," and "you beat Athens AND the refs." Just having a few of those guys side with Warren's perspective either makes it legit or means it was a really cold day in hell.


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Show me a game where fans DIDN'T criticize the refs - and I'll kiss someones you-know-what ... its quite the norm after highly contested games ... at any level.


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Nice post Floyd.


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pfloyd wrote: one of those games as a high school hoops fan you can't help but appreciate the play by both teams all 4+ quarters - it was awesome to watch ...
Agree. We all talked about how lucky we were to get to see the performance from both sides. It was a big game with a big game feel and a big game performance from both sides.


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emigmaax... I am very sure that I did not intend in any way to imply that Warren won because of the refs - did some questionable calls keep the momentum going - absolutely ... Will you have that in a game? - always! Warren won the game because of outstanding play on the BBB side of the court ... Refs don't win or lose games ... as a observer of the game I posted as I saw the game, pointing out key points of the game as I saw them and how I saw those key points in the game influencing the game at the time ...

... I'm very sure that my comment on the "phantom over & back" call didn't imply that Warren ONLY WON because of the refs ... I spent 45 minutes typing with 2 fingers about last nights game AND you picked out "phantom over & back" to include me in a group of posters who ACTUALLY WERE blaming refs for the win or loss!!! come on - I'm thinking I should be offended LOL

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93Bulldog wrote:Show me a game where fans DIDN'T criticize the refs - and I'll kiss someones you-know-what ... its quite the norm after highly contested games ... at any level.
Well, that is dumb. LOL.


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I should rephrase that ... show me a 'CLOSE' game where fans didn't criticize the refs 'ON SEOPS' - and I'll kiss someones you-know-what.

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pfloyd wrote:emigmaax... I am very sure that I did not intend in any way to imply that Warren won because of the refs - did some questionable calls keep the momentum going - absolutely ... Will you have that in a game? - always! Warren won the game because of outstanding play on the BBB side of the court ... Refs don't win or lose games ... as a observer of the game I posted as I saw the game, pointing out key points of the game as I saw them and how I saw those key points in the game influencing the game at the time ...

... I'm very sure that my comment on the "phantom over & back" call didn't imply that Warren ONLY WON because of the refs ... I spent 45 minutes typing with 2 fingers about last nights game AND you picked out "phantom over & back" to include me in a group of posters who ACTUALLY WERE blaming refs for the win or loss!!! come on - I'm thinking I should be offended LOL

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LOL...yours was just the LAST STRAW that sent me over the edge. Ha ha, I guess I only finally responded to yours because you actually gave an example of a call you thought was bad instead of just general whining.


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