Villa-Angela St. Joseph's 73 Fairland 50 (2017 Final Four)

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Villa-Angela St. Joseph's 73 Fairland 50 (2017 Final Four)

Postby mattash » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:08 pm

Can Fairland advance to the State Championship? Thoughts? Anyone have VASJ's roster?



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Re: 3/24 Fairland vs. Villa- Angela St. Joseph's (2017 Final Four)

Postby GalliaGrad78 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:08 pm

I assume tickets will be available at the door?

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Postby LucasDavenport » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:16 pm

There have always been Tickets available in the years previous. One Corner of the Schott sales tickets.

You can also take your chances with the scalpers. :-)

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Postby 93Bulldog » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:49 pm

The game is at 10:45 in the morning, you will have no problem getting tickets at the door. Lol

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Re: 3/24 Fairland vs. Villa- Angela St. Joseph's (2017 Final Four)

Postby Sports-nut » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:02 pm

Schedule and roster

http://vasjvikings.com/boys_basketball/ ... l/schedule

Gaffney,Newlon,George,Higgins, and McGarry are usual starters from some articles on their website

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Re: 3/24 Fairland vs. Villa- Angela St. Joseph's (2017 Final Four)

Postby BallDontLie » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:11 pm

Gaffney, Butler, McGary and Higgins played a lot of minutes last year in the state tournament. Gaffney is long and athletic but his matchup with Fairland's big will be interesting. McGary is a tough player who gets points by cleaning the glass and hustling. Higgins runs the show and will more likely be the fastest player on the court, probably won't even be close. Fairland matches up well because they have multiple scorers. Maintaining runs will be crucial for the Dragons if they want to win. Good luck dragons!!

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Postby YOU'RE TIGER BAIT » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:16 am

OLE BAIT IS VERY PROUD OF YA'LL. WAY TO REP LAWRENCE COUNTY, PROCTORVILLE, AND THE OVC.
GOOD LUCK TO THE FAIRLAND DRAGONS IN THE FINAL 4 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby bbjunky81 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:28 am

Many people are going to assume Fairland is the "underdog," but I'm not so sure that's the case. This VASJ team is very good, but not as loaded as some of the previous VASJ teams featuring Bragg (Kansas) and Pardon (Northwestern). The advantage for Fairland is that nearly all of their rotational players play AAU, so they're used to this type of competition and style.

Gut feeling, as long as Fairland handles pressure, I really think they win this game. Fairlands kids are winners and their prize is within striking distance now.

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Postby bsee12345 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:34 am

Cleveland VA/SJ is the favorite to win the D3 State Title. With that being said Fairland does have a lot of reason to optimistic to being playing them on Friday. The time its self is not a time games usually start 10:45am so you do not know how teams are going to adjust- this could be a positive or negative. Another possible positive or could be negative is that VA/SJ has been then done that. Sometimes teams such as VA/SJ can take things for granted and just go thru the motions. I have read that VA/SJ has been able to win in the tournament without having had it back against the wall and faced adversity.
The main positive I see for Fairland is that they can just go play ball. There is not much pressure on the Dragons. Most think Fairland has little chance to win this game. I can remember Jackson Center that played Columbus Africentric a very years back in D4. Most everyone thought Africentric would win with little problem. The problem was Jackson Center played for the State Championship not Africentric.
Fairland is the underdog and it would great to see them sees the opportunity and just go play the game and be in a position to pull the upset. I do know that if this game is close at the end the observers in the arena will become Dragon fans.

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Postby 93Bulldog » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:26 pm

VASJ is nothing more than a Cleveland AAU all star team. Them & others at the Schott this weekend totally defy what high school state finals should be all about. Yes, I have tickets & will continue to attend these recruited 'all star' games - but that doesnt mean I agree with the current set up.

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Postby bbjunky81 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:38 pm

93Bulldog wrote:VASJ is nothing more than a Cleveland AAU all star team. Them & others at the Schott this weekend totally defy what high school state finals should be all about. Yes, I have tickets & will continue to attend these recruited 'all star' games - but that doesnt mean I agree with the current set up.


I absolutely agree. Unfortunately, until OHSAA switches to a private tournament and a public tournament, it'll always stay the same. And we all know the OHSAA will never do that in fear of lost $$$$ (some parochial schools claim they'd start their own private association if that happens).

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Re: 3/24 Fairland vs. Villa- Angela St. Joseph's (2017 Final Four)

Postby bball30 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:20 pm

bbjunky81 wrote:
93Bulldog wrote:VASJ is nothing more than a Cleveland AAU all star team. Them & others at the Schott this weekend totally defy what high school state finals should be all about. Yes, I have tickets & will continue to attend these recruited 'all star' games - but that doesnt mean I agree with the current set up.


I absolutely agree. Unfortunately, until OHSAA switches to a private tournament and a public tournament, it'll always stay the same. And we all know the OHSAA will never do that in fear of lost $$$$ (some parochial schools claim they'd start their own private association if that happens).

All about the Benjamin's.


Unfortunate but painfully true. A decidedly unfair advantage in my opinion.

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Postby Gold and Blue » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:55 pm

Good luck to Fairland from the Clay Panthers.

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Postby king kong » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:23 pm

Good luck Dragons! If you want the Ohsaa to do something, next time they put a vote up for change tell your superintendent to vote for it. The Ohsaa is ran by every school, each school gets a vote!

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Postby Seabee_0586 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:23 pm

Good luck Fairland from the soc1

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Postby mrwonderful » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:10 pm

I disagree....Even public schools build teams from players who didn't grow up or attend a certain school as a kid...It happens in this area also...You have your football schools, your basketball schools and your baseball schools and some do it in multiple sports....It's became an epidemic as has the holding kids back for sports.......which is completely insane....Shouldn't be allowed...Everyone always wants to make excuses as to why they'll lose....Ok let the Catholic private Schools have their own tournament if that will stop the whining...However lets also stop the public Schools from qualifying for a Championship if they have 2 or more senior holdbacks who were held back for sports....problem solved....hehehehehehe.....I heard State stopped the holding back a kid for sports.... I applaud the state if they did. Parents will figure out another way...they'll start them late or hold em back in elementary when its not Academically necessary..... Difference is this area doesn't have the population of a Cleveland or Columbus so its a little harder to build a great team....but it goes on here too, even with public Schools, and everyone knows it......

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Postby dragonlegacy » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:57 pm

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Postby mrwonderful » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:24 pm

fairland 66-60!!!!!! I heard WZAZ 3 was going to televise the ball game Friday....

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Postby 4out1in » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:30 pm

bsee12345 wrote:Cleveland VA/SJ is the favorite to win the D3 State Title. With that being said Fairland does have a lot of reason to optimistic to being playing them on Friday. The time its self is not a time games usually start 10:45am so you do not know how teams are going to adjust- this could be a positive or negative. Another possible positive or could be negative is that VA/SJ has been then done that. Sometimes teams such as VA/SJ can take things for granted and just go thru the motions. I have read that VA/SJ has been able to win in the tournament without having had it back against the wall and faced adversity.
The main positive I see for Fairland is that they can just go play ball. There is not much pressure on the Dragons. Most think Fairland has little chance to win this game. I can remember Jackson Center that played Columbus Africentric a very years back in D4. Most everyone thought Africentric would win with little problem. The problem was Jackson Center played for the State Championship not Africentric.
Fairland is the underdog and it would great to see them sees the opportunity and just go play the game and be in a position to pull the upset. I do know that if this game is close at the end the observers in the arena will become Dragon fans.


They have most certainly had their backs against the wall and faced adversity. In the District semis, Beachwood had them tied and flat out blew a layup at the end to win it. In the OT, Gaffney came up big to save them.
I've also seen some talk about them getting kids from all over the place. They are kind of unique in that they really don't. The school sits right on the border of Cleveland and Euclid. The vast majority of their kids come from a geographic area of Euclid and the very NE corner of Cleveland. Do they have advantages? Of course they do but they aren't a St V or a St Ed's that gets kids from all over the place. With all that said, if Fairland keeps their heads, contains Higgins and get a great game from Van Horn, they can beat VASJ. I will be pulling for the Dragons. Best of luck.

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Postby Hoopie74 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:12 pm

:P
93Bulldog wrote:VASJ is nothing more than a Cleveland AAU all star team. Them & others at the Schott this weekend totally defy what high school state finals should be all about. Yes, I have tickets & will continue to attend these recruited 'all star' games - but that doesnt mean I agree with the current set up.

Agreed, I've said that for quite a few years. We at Peebles have run into recruited teams for years starting back in the Eighties with Werle, now other private schools.

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Postby Gluefactory » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:44 pm

Good fortune to the Fairland Dragons in the final four from your friends and basketball fans from Scioto Co. and the SOC ll .

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Postby YOU'RE TIGER BAIT » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:59 am

93Bulldog wrote:VASJ is nothing more than a Cleveland AAU all star team. Them & others at the Schott this weekend totally defy what high school state finals should be all about. Yes, I have tickets & will continue to attend these recruited 'all star' games - but that doesnt mean I agree with the current set up.



BULLDOG I'VE SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT FOOTBALL TEAMS LIKE THIS AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER.

BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT COIN IS. I REMEMBER A VERY SMALL,( BY IRONTON FOOTBALL STANDARDS ) GOING TO THE AKRON RUBBER BOWL AND WINNING THEIR 1ST STATE FOOTBALL TITLE AGAINST A HUGE AKRON SAINT VINCENT SAINT MARY'S TEAM , WHO LOOKED LIKE WE WERE PLAYING NOTRE DAME THAT DAY.

IF YOU ARE STILL PLAYING, YOU STILL HAVE A CHANCE. I HEARD AT CHURCH YESTERDAY, THEY HAVE NO SENIORS. WOW.
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Postby 4out1in » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:05 am

93Bulldog wrote:VASJ is nothing more than a Cleveland AAU all star team. Them & others at the Schott this weekend totally defy what high school state finals should be all about. Yes, I have tickets & will continue to attend these recruited 'all star' games - but that doesnt mean I agree with the current set up.


Not really the case. You might be thinking of St Ed or Garfield Heights (a public but one of the biggest recruiters I've seen). VASJ's kids don't come from all over. Most of their team can either walk or ride a bike to school. If you want a better example of an AAU all star team in DIII, it would be Roger Bacon.

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Postby Turd » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:45 am

Wow! The dragons are making there appearance to the final four!! I laugh at the fact that Fairland may be an underdog, haven't you guys ever heard of the fisher boy that played several years ago? Rumor has it they are bringing him in to prep the kids to play, that alone gives them the edge, man that kid could play.
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Postby Jumper2003 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:23 pm

Heard FHS is not calling off school for the state championship semis? Seriously?!

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Postby dragonalum » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:32 pm

I know I'm a little biased, but I think this team is incredibly special. They've beaten some great opponents this year (including the WV AAA State Champion, Huntington High) and I really think that as long as they keep their heads focused and play ball like they know how to they will win this game.

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Postby 93Bulldog » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:25 pm

4out1in wrote:
93Bulldog wrote:VASJ is nothing more than a Cleveland AAU all star team. Them & others at the Schott this weekend totally defy what high school state finals should be all about. Yes, I have tickets & will continue to attend these recruited 'all star' games - but that doesnt mean I agree with the current set up.


Not really the case. You might be thinking of St Ed or Garfield Heights (a public but one of the biggest recruiters I've seen). VASJ's kids don't come from all over. Most of their team can either walk or ride a bike to school. If you want a better example of an AAU all star team in DIII, it would be Roger Bacon.


No, I'm talking about VASJ.

The team they showed up to the Schott with the year before last was ridiculous. Probably could have won the D1 title.

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Postby FlyingBuckeye3 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:29 pm

Jumper2003 wrote:Heard FHS is not calling off school for the state championship semis? Seriously?!


Rumor has it school has been cancelled on Friday now.

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Postby sportsmom20 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:46 pm

Good Luck Fairland from the Athens Bulldogs! The Dogs will be cheering for the Dragons!!!!!
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Postby trojandave » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:00 pm

Congratulations to the Fairland Dragons on achieving what most high school teams never get the chance to do........play in the Final 4!! Putting the game aside for a moment, players, coaches, and fans of FHS should enjoy every minute of this week. It is a special time in the Dragon community that will live forever in sweet memories. The buildup to the actual game itself is something hard to describe, since it is something that is so different than the normal high school basketball experience. Many involved have never been there before, so sitting in the Schottenstein Center watching their team come out on the court, warm up, and play in a state semifinal game will seem so different than any game they have been to before. The Final 4 is the showcase of Ohio high school basketball, and fans from all walks of life are there to see your team play.

Cherish this week, Dragon fans!!......what the team has accomplished is a very rare and difficult feat.

As far as the game, Fairland most likely will be playing their toughest opponent of the season. VASJ, for the size of school that they are, probably plays the toughest schedule in the state, with one of their wins being at Akron St.Vincent-St.Mary, which is in the D2 Final 4. Much of their schedule is D2 and D1 schools. This is the school's 16th state appearance, which breaks a tie with Portsmouth for the 2nd most appearances in the state tournament.

I watched the Dragons beat Hiland rather handily, but I think FHS will have to turn their game up a notch or two to beat the Vikings. VASJ will not be intimidated by Fairland whatsoever. They are used to playing schools with athleticism and multiple bigs. I don't think the game plan for Fairland has to be any different than what it's been for 26 games thus far. I did notice against Hiland that the Dragons missed way too many layups which could be costly against VASJ. FHS doesn't have to play a perfect game, but a very good game to win.......and THEY CAN WIN. As I posted earlier on another thread, Portsmouth was a huge underdog to Cleveland Cathedral Latin in the 1978 Class AA state championship game. Latin was the defending state champion, and the Trojans had a 19-7 record. But PHS prevailed 63-62 on 2 late FT's and stunned the Lions in a game in which many thought was not possible.

Perhaps one of the most important factors to win at this level is to believe in yourselves. Fairland is 26-1, played a challenging schedule, have the same starting 5 from a year ago, with a similar rotation, same coaching staff, so there is a special chemistry with this group. Getting off to a good start is so important in big games. Clay and Vinton County did not do that, and being in a big hole early is very difficult to make up against very good teams.

I know this is a long post, but I can't emphasize enough how the Fairland community should soak up every minute of this week. It is truly a special time in Dragon Nation. At Portsmouth, we still talk about our state tournament experiences from years gone by, most recently 2011 and 2012, our first back to back appearances in school history. Even though we didn't come away with the state title in either year, we still felt very proud to see our Trojans playing on Ohio's biggest stage.

Let's see a sea of green at the Schott on Friday. Go Dragons!! Go OVC!!

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Postby DragonDad » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:25 pm

As far as schedule the Dragons did play Columbus Hillard #5 ranked D1 team. However to be fair that was the one loss on the record. Did beat Huntington Highway which just won WV AAA (like our d1) state championships. Can't wait for Friday.

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Postby bighead » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:21 am

Good Luck Fairland !

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Postby ShooterFlatch » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:08 am

Run em off the boards!!

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Re: 3/24 Fairland vs. Villa- Angela St. Joseph's (2017 Final Four)

Postby LucasDavenport » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:12 am

I like Fairland's chances better because they are free wheeling and play unafraid. Kinda like Northern Iowa the year they beat Kansas to go to the sweet 16.

Sometimes our teams go up there outmatched physically and when the structure breaks down or they get behind it's an issue.

If my memory serves correctly Wheelersburg ran into Cleve VA SJ and David Leighty (OSU) In one of their last visits.

Everyone ought to tweet Mike and Mike and ask Golic for a shout out ---- tomorrow or Thursday. Especially Thursday morning around 9:30. He might do it since he mentions Cleveland St Joes sometimes as an alum.

Clark Kellogg, Desmond Howard, Elvis Grbac. .... nice list of Alums

I look forward to this one on Friday Morning. We have our book of tickets and it's nice having a local team in it.

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Re: 3/24 Fairland vs. Villa- Angela St. Joseph's (2017 Final Four)

Postby TheFlyingDutchman » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:41 am

Congrats and good luck to the Dragons
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