2017-18 Season ... Who are the top teams in each league ?

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2017-18 Season ... Who are the top teams in each league ?

Postby pfloyd » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:38 pm

Before everyone moves on to baseball ... on the way down to KW on the plane I started listing my top top teams for the 2017-18 season ... I'm getting information together to read through so I can come up with the Preseason rankings ...

I have a good list of teams 1- 40'ish ... I would like ALL of the Elite 8 readers to have some input - I'm looking for information as to which teams YOU feel strongly about as the top teams in each league ... as I said I have MY list BUT I'm looking for the info that has some of the teams who have been down of late but have players starting to come thru in that NEXT cycle of athletes- Lucasville Valley , Chesapeake, etc.

Post the info you have ... names are good ... specifics if you have them ... i.e. Western Pike has a group I believe from on their JV team that went undefeated on only a loss or 2 ...

Give some good info to start digging thru ... and let see how close I come to you folks who your league much better than I ... thank you guys !!!
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Re: 2017-18 Season ... Who are the top teams in each league ?

Postby bman » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:06 pm

MSL - Fairfield Union is clear cut favorite with players like Colin Woodside, Lucas Thompson and Evan Conley back. Bloom-Carroll suffered some big losses to graduation, but believe they'll be competitive...Logan Elm will frankly be in a rebuilding season, but has some promising classes coming up including next year's freshmen....Teays Valley has wing Ryan Wolfe back, but loses the rest of its starters and has some questions coming into next season...Circleville should have some decent pieces back, but needs to improve a lot on defense and find a point guard...Amanda should continue to improve, but looks to be a middle-of-the-pack team.

FAC...aka Confederate Five plus Jackson - Miami Trace loses a ton of seniors, but still returns guard Cameron Carter and forward Darby Tyree. Expect to be around .500 or maybe a little better. Court House returns Evan Upthegrove, Richard Burns and Dillon Steward. Coach Bartruff does a nice job with those guys. I'd say they should be competitive, .500 or maybe a little better. Chillicothe would be my preseason league favorite, led by Branden Maughmer, but a potential move to D1 will really hurt come tournament time. We have some posters from FAC country who can probably fill in some information.

A wild card from my area could by Circleville New Hope Christian, which is supposed to be going into OHSAA this upcoming season. It'll be interesting to see if they are put in the Central or Southeast in Division IV. New Hope won the OCSAA championship this past season. New Hope will be an independent.

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Postby pfloyd » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:36 am

Thanks bman ... that's pretty much how I had the Northwest Territories shaking out ... I wanted some info on those round town boys being their 3rd season under new management I wanted to know if they had some key pieces coming up to put them in the upper third of the rankings this season... what does McClain have this coming year? Any offense at all ?

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Postby bman » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:03 pm

pfloyd wrote:Thanks bman ... that's pretty much how I had the Northwest Territories shaking out ... I wanted some info on those round town boys being their 3rd season under new management I wanted to know if they had some key pieces coming up to put them in the upper third of the rankings this season... what does McClain have this coming year? Any offense at all ?


Circleville should return 6-3 forward Seth Risner, guards Jay Styers and Cameron Banks and guard Jacob Rhymer. They lose Taylor and Burroughs. Circleville often would score mid 50s-mid 60s, enough points to win, but would struggle stringing together stops. They must make big strides on defense to become a winning team.

Don't know a lot about Greenfield, to be honest. I mostly see Trace, Court House and Chillicothe in the SCOL and soon to be the FAC.

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Postby smurray » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:44 pm

Waverly (16-6 regular season) returns 3 of their starters in Senior to be Clayton Howell and Juniors to be Cobe Marquez & Easton Wolfe. All three of those guys will be big playmakers on the football team. The Tigers only lose two to graduation and last word I got was Senior to be Gunnar Robinson will be back on the hardwood after taking off this year. Gunnar was a beast when he played as a sophomore and he's done nothing but get bigger and stronger.
The JV squad went undefeated and the freshman team only lost a couple games.
Waverly should be much improved and battle for the SOC 2.

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Postby pfloyd » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:01 pm

Smurray ... Waverly is definitely in the upper 1/3 of my initial preseason rankings ... thanks for confirming my thoughts !

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Postby pfloyd » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:02 pm

Any surprises in the SOC 1 or 2 for next season?

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Re: 2017-18 Season ... Who are the top teams in each league ?

Postby 93Bulldog » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:03 pm

Athens is simple. Everyone back except Griff.

Subtract Lutz & add Isaiah Butcher.

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Postby Raider6309 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:24 pm

TVC Ohio
1. Vinton county
2. Athens
3. Meigs

Alexander, Nelsonville-york, River valley, and Wellston idk know how much they all return

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Re: 2017-18 Season ... Who are the top teams in each league ?

Postby mattash » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:14 pm

My guess

FAC- Chillicothe
SVC- Paint Valley
SOC1 Eastern
SOC2 Waverly
OVC- Fairland
TVC-Hocking- Waterford
TVC-Ohio- Athens
MSL - Fairfield Union
PVC- Shenandoah

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Postby EagleNut14 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:36 pm

Rumor has it Perdue is leaving Western Pike which should make Eastern Pike the clear front runner for S.O.C 1.

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Postby pfloyd » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:54 pm

EagleNut14 wrote:Rumor has it Perdue is leaving Western Pike which should make Eastern Pike the clear front runner for S.O.C 1.



Eastern Pike is definitely in my top 20 on my first draft thanks EagleNut14 ... Clay & East I have dropping significantly- am I wrong in thinking that?

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Postby danicalifornia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:19 pm

My Super Early SVC Prediction

1. Unioto
2. Paint Valley
3. Zane Trace
4. Piketon
5. Southeastern
6. Westfall
7. Huntington
8. Adena

My Super Early FAC Prediction

1. Chillicothe
2. Washington
3. Jackson
4. Miami Trace
5. Hillsboro
6. Greenfield (although the young Mischal is going to be outstanding)

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Re: 2017-18 Season ... Who are the top teams in each league ?

Postby EPN » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:49 pm

Pfloyd, in my opinion , u r correct , ports clay will take a huge hit hit next year,they r losing almost everything, and ports east is losing a lot as well, the big question for ports east is whether Blaine Scott plays or not , if he does, they should b decent , if he doesn't , they will struggle in my opinion.
Right now I would have Eastern Pike and Western Pike as the favorites, now if what Eaglenut 14 said is true, and Perdue is not at Western , I would have Eastern as a heavy favorite in the SOC 1 , now a lot can happen between now and then . I am very much looking forward to your preseason rankings.

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Postby Ed Ott » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:06 pm

Heard Oak Hill maybe getting two more transfers. If so they'll contend for the final 4.

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Postby Skiisme » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:13 pm

In the TVC Ohio, I look for VC to be the preseason favorites. Lose Bartoe and Jones from the starting lineup, but return Naylan Yates, Jake Speakman, Bryce Damron, Eli Griffith and Nevan Yayes. Athens will be decent, but without Lutz, don't think they can win the TVC. Not sure what Meigs returns, they had a good team this year.

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Postby EagleNut14 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:46 pm

EPN wrote:Pfloyd, in my opinion , u r correct , ports clay will take a huge hit hit next year,they r losing almost everything, and ports east is losing a lot as well, the big question for ports east is whether Blaine Scott plays or not , if he does, they should b decent , if he doesn't , they will struggle in my opinion.
Right now I would have Eastern Pike and Western Pike as the favorites, now if what Eaglenut 14 said is true, and Perdue is not at Western , I would have Eastern as a heavy favorite in the SOC 1 , now a lot can happen between now and then . I am very much looking forward to your preseason rankings.


Nothing set in stone but from what I keep hearing it's sounding like he's transferring back to Piketon since Coach Miller has stepped down out at Western. I have also heard Eastern as well. Guess we shall see!

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Postby tvc_fan » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:00 pm

I honestly believe that Meigs will win the TVC-OHIO this year and make a good tourney run.

I don't think VC will be as good this year without Bartoe or Jones and defenses can focus more on Naylan Yates and Speakman.

Athens loses Lutz, That is huge. Defense will just have to worry about Cozart, and we shut him down last year the 2nd time around.

We lose Musser (12ppg) Kennedy (8ppg) and Mahr (9ppg)
But we return Mattox, Bartrum and Baer and return a great group of bench players and also have a few from JV that will compete for plenty of playing time.

Although it's not a difference in Elite Eight....We could very well be dropping back down to D3.

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Postby danicalifornia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:05 pm

Meigs is at 204 and the bottom # for D2 was 185 this year, so I doubt that they drop back down.

I think the # will be closer to 195 at the lower end, which means that Fairland will likely be D2.

If Perdue transfers back to Piketon, bump them up to 3rd in my SVC rankings.

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Postby smurray » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:07 pm

EagleNut14 wrote:Rumor has it Perdue is leaving Western Pike which should make Eastern Pike the clear front runner for S.O.C 1.


That is the word on the Street. Eastern looks like the most logical landing spot.

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Postby tvc_fan » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:24 pm

danicalifornia wrote:Meigs is at 204 and the bottom # for D2 was 185 this year, so I doubt that they drop back down.

I think the # will be closer to 195 at the lower end, which means that Fairland will likely be D2.

If Perdue transfers back to Piketon, bump them up to 3rd in my SVC rankings.


But none of us know what is gonna be the numbers for the Divisions, Especially with it being the first year of the competitive balance.

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Postby bman » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:26 pm

tvc_fan wrote:
danicalifornia wrote:Meigs is at 204 and the bottom # for D2 was 185 this year, so I doubt that they drop back down.

I think the # will be closer to 195 at the lower end, which means that Fairland will likely be D2.

If Perdue transfers back to Piketon, bump them up to 3rd in my SVC rankings.


But none of us know what is gonna be the numbers for the Divisions, Especially with it being the first year of the competitive balance.


True, but there will be a lot of schools in the SE sliding back due to competitive balance, along with Meigs, so unless you are right at the cutoff I would expect to remain in the same division.
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Postby tvc_fan » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:06 am

bman wrote:
tvc_fan wrote:
danicalifornia wrote:Meigs is at 204 and the bottom # for D2 was 185 this year, so I doubt that they drop back down.

I think the # will be closer to 195 at the lower end, which means that Fairland will likely be D2.

If Perdue transfers back to Piketon, bump them up to 3rd in my SVC rankings.


But none of us know what is gonna be the numbers for the Divisions, Especially with it being the first year of the competitive balance.


True, but there were be a lot of schools in the SE sliding back due to competitive balance, along with Meigs, so unless you are right at the cutoff I would expect to remain in the same division.



Regardless, I still see Meigs possibly sliding up in the Elite 8 at some point next season.

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Postby bman » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:10 am

tvc_fan wrote:
bman wrote:
tvc_fan wrote:
But none of us know what is gonna be the numbers for the Divisions, Especially with it being the first year of the competitive balance.


True, but there were be a lot of schools in the SE sliding back due to competitive balance, along with Meigs, so unless you are right at the cutoff I would expect to remain in the same division.



Regardless, I still see Meigs possibly sliding up in the Elite 8 at some point next season.


The good news is that with several teams moving up to D2, the SE should probably have two out to regionals for the next couple of seasons, thus four teams advancing from each sectional. That should help Meigs in its push to get to the Convo.

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Postby EagleNut14 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:34 am

Eastern Pike will be moving up to D-3 this year and in the next 2-3 years will be moving up to the S.O.C. 2. I'm not for sure on what team will be moving down to the smaller division I've heard Webster and I've also heard Northwest.

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Postby CavalierAlum05 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:58 am

Can someone help me understand the division breakdown by students? I have heard rumblings of Chillicothe going back to D1 next year. Is it confirmed? If not, how is it determined and is it likely we will move back to D1? I want to stay D2!! I think we can make some noise next year at the convo.

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Postby JEEPNATION » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:23 am

The Jeeps only lost 3 to graduation but they were really good guards in A Blevins, S Zimmerman, and M Shonkwiler! Jeeps will be young next year with 0 seniors on the roster but lots of talent from the other 3 grade levels. Jeeps will be very big and have a really great player in Shiloah Blevins who really was a beast last year! I think Jeeps will start slow in season due to youth but by the end of the year they could be REALLY good!

These are returning kids listed on program roster

6'5" Shiloah Blevins JR *
6'4" Jacob Witter JR *
6'4" Josiah Edwards JR
5'9" Jacob Ruth JR *
6'4" Brayden Bockway SO
6'2" Levi Murphy SO
5'10" Devyn Coriell SO *
5'07" Andrew Smith SO
6'3" JJ Truitt FR *

* is who I'm guessing will start! BUt truly any of the ones listed may start, it's a deep group of young talented kids!

Blevins kid is a stud and the Truitt kid is a name you'll be hearing a lot the next 4 years! He'll most likely be a 4 year starter!

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Postby danicalifornia » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:50 am

CavalierAlum05 wrote:Can someone help me understand the division breakdown by students? I have heard rumblings of Chillicothe going back to D1 next year. Is it confirmed? If not, how is it determined and is it likely we will move back to D1? I want to stay D2!! I think we can make some noise next year at the convo.


It would take a minor miracle or a major mistake for the Cavs to stay D2. Their initial number was 387 boys and the lower # for D1 was 342, so that would be well above it. I would guess that the new # would be 360.

I've heard that they have appealed that number that the state put out, but usually the state is within 10-15 even when they are incorrect. But, add in all of their competitive balance factors and I imagine that they will be D1.

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Postby JEEPNATION » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:18 am

I have lots of free time today so I'm going to copy/paste all the SE Ohio teams new enrollment count to get a look at how many teams will be in each division!

During the last count the enrollment breakdowns for divisions was the following (this number should go up when the competitive balance thing kicks in for each school, but we'll use these numbers just as an example)

Division Enrollment Schools
I 340 and more
II 185-339
III 109-184
IV 108 and less

Based off of the previous count (again, this will change due to competitive balance!) the new breakdowns would look like this.

D1 (340 and more):

Chillicothe 387
Logan 500 (WOW)
Marietta 344

D2 185 - 339

Alexander 204
Athens 318
Circleville 242
Fairfield Union 256
Fairland 205
Gallia Academy 234
Hillsboro 282
Jackson 289
Logan Elm 250
McClain 236
Miami Trace 274
Meigs 204
New Lexington 231
Portsmouth West 191
River Valley 198
Rock Hill 185
Sheridan 299
Unioto 253
Vinton County 253
Warren 294
Washington CH 262
Waverly 228
Westfall 211
Zane Trace 226

The new count would make 24 SE Ohio D2 teams... It was only 19 schools the previous two years! New additions would be: Alexander, Fairland, Portsmouth West, River Valley, Rock Hill, Westfall, and Zane Trace.... should pretty comfortably be 2 District winners!

D3 109 - 184:

Adena 152
Belpre 123
Chesapeake 186
Crooksville 134
Coal Grove 115
Eastern Brown 170
Eastern Pike 124
Federal Hocking 119
Huntington Ross 129
Ironton 155
Lynchburg Clay 136
Manchester 109
Minford 152
Nelsonville York 135
North Adams 132
Northwest 180
Oak Hill 167
Paint Valley 131
Piketon 174
Portsmouth 171
South Point 180
Southeastern 135
Valley 130
Wellston 165
West Union 131
Western Pike 113
Wheelersburg 175

The new count would have 27 D3 teams... it was 29 D3 teams the last 2 years! Western Pike, Manchester, and Coal Grove all hovering around the cutoff mark.. (competitive balance will change this for a few teams!)... Should be two district winners!

D4 108 and less:

Clay 68
Eastern Meigs 96
Fairfield Leesburg 105
Green 79
Ironton St. Joe 18
Miller 82
New Boston 39
Notre Dame 34
Peebles 99
Sciotoville East 81
South Gallia 80
South Webster 103
Southern 87
Symmes Valley 87
Trimble 95
Waterford 78
Whiteoak 102

The new count would have 17 D4 teams... there was 22 the last 2 years!! Unless a few other teams drop down, this looks like potentially only one district winner for SE Ohio!
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Postby danicalifornia » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:25 am

Thank you Jeep Nation!

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Postby juanmorales » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:25 am

mattash wrote:My guess

FAC- Chillicothe
SVC- Paint Valley
SOC1 Eastern
SOC2 Waverly
OVC- Fairland
TVC-Hocking- Waterford
TVC-Ohio- Athens
MSL - Fairfield Union
PVC- Shenandoah



Looking Like Eastern Pike will be making the move to SOC2.

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Postby pfloyd » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:38 pm

JEEPNATION ! Great "stuff" right there ... thank you for the leg work on that info ...

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Postby trojandave » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:19 pm

JeepNation: Thanks for the enrollment info. Very interesting to see some schools moving up or down a division.

Here is my look at the Ohio Valley Conference in 2017-2018:

1. Fairland.......the clear favorite to win the title for the 3rd year in a row, and they will be trying to also go undefeated 3 years in a row.
2. Gallia Academy.......most of their top 8 back and a lot of size with 6-11 Loveday and 6-5 Peck
3. Ironton........has 4 starters back including Charlie Large from injury
4. Coal Grove.......all 5 starters back but could be hurt by lack of size
5. South Point......Tayshawn Fox back along with several others; did lose 3 starters
6. Portsmouth......lost top two scorers in Reynolds and Malone; return 3 starters but will be offensively challenged
7. Chesapeake......most of their roster is sophomores but Panthers could be the OVC favorite in 2018-2019
8. Rock Hill.........outstanding junior Mason Darby back but Redmen don't have the supporting cast

That's a very early look at the OVC which means I will be wrong and some surprises will happen........maybe my Trojans will be one...... :D

I also predict at least 1 OVC school will make the regionals, very possible 2. Fairland can still make the regional at D2 but it will be tougher than it was this past season to make the Final 4.

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Postby pfloyd » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:38 pm

Great information everyone! Lots of the info is reinforcing my 1st draft of the preseason Elite 8 ... I am making note of the teams who have not been in the top 2/3 of the rankings for a few years if ever ! Good stuff !!!

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Re: 2017-18 Season ... Who are the top teams in each league ?

Postby art_vandelay » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:57 pm

JEEPNATION wrote:The Jeeps only lost 3 to graduation but they were really good guards in A Blevins, S Zimmerman, and M Shonkwiler! Jeeps will be young next year with 0 seniors on the roster but lots of talent from the other 3 grade levels. Jeeps will be very big and have a really great player in Shiloah Blevins who really was a beast last year! I think Jeeps will start slow in season due to youth but by the end of the year they could be REALLY good!

These are returning kids listed on program roster

6'5" Shiloah Blevins JR *
6'4" Jacob Witter JR *
6'4" Josiah Edwards JR
5'9" Jacob Ruth JR *
6'4" Brayden Bockway SO
6'2" Levi Murphy SO
5'10" Devyn Coriell SO *
5'07" Andrew Smith SO
6'3" JJ Truitt FR *

* is who I'm guessing will start! BUt truly any of the ones listed may start, it's a deep group of young talented kids!

Blevins kid is a stud and the Truitt kid is a name you'll be hearing a lot the next 4 years! He'll most likely be a 4 year starter!


If JJ Truitt is as good as everyone is saying, Webster should be a District/Regional contender next year, and a Regional/State contender the following year. Webster lost 3 solid players, but will actually be deeper next year. Also heard some good things happening for Shiloah Blevins and Truitt this summer. Will be an exciting couple of years coming up for the Jeeps.*


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