Basketball rules

[clevelandbrowns#1]

Things you hear people scream at officials.
1) That's over and back---- half court line---- a player dribbling up the floor has to get all three parts over the line. The ball, his right foot and left foot. Then he is considered front court status. If he has ball and one foot over the line then he can pass it to a player in the backcourt or dribble it still in the back court.
2) Three seconds------ in the paint on the offensive end of the court-------a player has to be inside the paint for three seconds while his team has possession. When the shot goes up no team possession. If the offensive team gets the rebound then the count starts over. Believe me 3 seconds is a lenient call for the offensive team!
3) Over the back------ player rebounds over someone else----- over the back means that the rebounder that is behind an opponent displaces the opponent. Then foul should be called. We shouldn't penalize a player that rebounds the ball without displacement. On the other hand a player that is boxing out a player can't just keep pushing his opponent back like we used to be taught.
4)Get him off of him----- contact------ basketball is a contact sport. There will be contact in it. When a player gains an advantage over another player then he should be penalized. If a player puts one hand in a player to size him up and gains no advantage. No foul should be called. If a player puts a hand on a player and gains an advantage by moving him off line then a foul should be called. If a defensive player puts 2 hands on a player with ball, automatic foul to be called.
5) That ball hit the top of the backboard----- it is still live------ if ball is on top of backboard and rolls off the front then it is live. If it hits a brace or shot clock or rolls over the back it is dead. If it hits the side of backboard it is live. If it goes directly over the corner of backboard then it should be live.

[svac83]

Has the rule on continuation rule in high school basketball changed. Or is it just being called differently as recently as 2 or 3 years ago. if you didn't have ball basically in a shooting position the call was always non shooting. I noticed ot getting a little more liberal the last couple of years. but last night in the gallia academy oak hill game. there were a couple of kids fouled at foul line on layups and they awarded them 2 shots.

[golfis4me]

Svac83, In my experience, they are teaching new officials to call it more liberal than in the past. I think It's a much needed change. There have always been too many disallowed goals in the high school game. Rule 4-40 defines shooting in the NFHS rulebook. Article 3 states: "The try starts when the player begins the motion which habitually precedes the release of the ball."

On continuation, Rule 4-11 Article 1 states: "Continuous motion...begins when the habitual throwing movement starts a try..." Rule 4-11 Article 2 states: "If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if pivoting or stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity while holding the ball."

If a player were gathering the ball on the way to the basket and didn't put it back on the floor after being fouled then scored the bucket, I would generally award the goal and 1 free throw barring he/she did not travel during the continuation.

[Ironman92]

Things you hear people scream at officials.
1) That's over and back---- half court line---- a player dribbling up the floor has to get all three parts over the line. The ball, his right foot and left foot. Then he is considered front court status. If he has ball and one foot over the line then he can pass it to a player in the backcourt or dribble it still in the back court.
2) Three seconds------ in the paint on the offensive end of the court-------a player has to be inside the paint for three seconds while his team has possession. When the shot goes up no team possession. If the offensive team gets the rebound then the count starts over. Believe me 3 seconds is a lenient call for the offensive team!
3) Over the back------ player rebounds over someone else----- over the back means that the rebounder that is behind an opponent displaces the opponent. Then foul should be called. We shouldn't penalize a player that rebounds the ball without displacement. On the other hand a player that is boxing out a player can't just keep pushing his opponent back like we used to be taught.
4)Get him off of him----- contact------ basketball is a contact sport. There will be contact in it. When a player gains an advantage over another player then he should be penalized. If a player puts one hand in a player to size him up and gains no advantage. No foul should be called. If a player puts a hand on a player and gains an advantage by moving him off line then a foul should be called. If a defensive player puts 2 hands on a player with ball, automatic foul to be called.
5) That ball hit the top of the backboard----- it is still live------ if ball is on top of backboard and rolls off the front then it is live. If it hits a brace or shot clock or rolls over the back it is dead. If it hits the side of backboard it is live. If it goes directly over the corner of backboard then it should be live.

Thanks for these. We fans need to review these.

As an official...what are some of the tougher calls you have to make? Does it help a player’s chances for drawing a charge if they fall back to the floor? Is it recommended that referees blow the whistle ASAP...and if so does that sometimes lead to anticipating an infraction?

Just wondering...thanks. Very ready for the season

[svac83]

Thanks I agree. I just have noticed it a lot more

[clevelandbrowns#1]

Ironman92
The toughest call is the block/charge. Why? Well the game of basketball is about angles. If a player takes it in the middle of the chest then a charge it is. If it's off the side of body then block. We actually need the circle that the college game has because to me it seems like we call a lot of charges under the bucket. In high school it is legal to set up under the bucket. The more years and experience we gain we seem to hold our whistle to see a play all the way through. An early whistle will get many officials into trouble as anticipation is no way to call this game. Officials need to see the play all the way through before this whistle is hit.

[Ironman92]

Ironman92
The toughest call is the block/charge. Why? Well the game of basketball is about angles. If a player takes it in the middle of the chest then a charge it is. If it's off the side of body then block. We actually need the circle that the college game has because to me it seems like we call a lot of charges under the bucket. In high school it is legal to set up under the bucket. The more years and experience we gain we seem to hold our whistle to see a play all the way through. An early whistle will get many officials into trouble as anticipation is no way to call this game. Officials need to see the play all the way through before this whistle is hit.

Thanks for the honest response. Have a great season.

[Jackie Moon]

Cleveland did you loose a bet or did you have to do community service for all those years of having to officiate with Detwiller? For those of us who know you and know that you aren't very smart, why are you trying to sound like you know the rules? BTW, I told Pat that there was a change in who was coming.

[Truth&fiction]

Things you hear people scream at officials.
1) That's over and back---- half court line---- a player dribbling up the floor has to get all three parts over the line. The ball, his right foot and left foot. Then he is considered front court status. If he has ball and one foot over the line then he can pass it to a player in the backcourt or dribble it still in the back court.
2) Three seconds------ in the paint on the offensive end of the court-------a player has to be inside the paint for three seconds while his team has possession. When the shot goes up no team possession. If the offensive team gets the rebound then the count starts over. Believe me 3 seconds is a lenient call for the offensive team!
3) Over the back------ player rebounds over someone else----- over the back means that the rebounder that is behind an opponent displaces the opponent. Then foul should be called. We shouldn't penalize a player that rebounds the ball without displacement. On the other hand a player that is boxing out a player can't just keep pushing his opponent back like we used to be taught.
4)Get him off of him----- contact------ basketball is a contact sport. There will be contact in it. When a player gains an advantage over another player then he should be penalized. If a player puts one hand in a player to size him up and gains no advantage. No foul should be called. If a player puts a hand on a player and gains an advantage by moving him off line then a foul should be called. If a defensive player puts 2 hands on a player with ball, automatic foul to be called.
5) That ball hit the top of the backboard----- it is still live------ if ball is on top of backboard and rolls off the front then it is live. If it hits a brace or shot clock or rolls over the back it is dead. If it hits the side of backboard it is live. If it goes directly over the corner of backboard then it should be live.

Rule 4 is the one that is not called as often as needed . IT was quoted as you can engage a player with one hand but that hand has to come off and if engaged again it's a foul . Would this be getting an advantage? ALSO THIS WAS EXPANDED TO ALL PLAYERS that had had control of the ball which also means post players . Another call that people question is the 5 second count . Can you expand on that . Good Stuff!

[smurray]

Things you hear people scream at officials.
1) That's over and back---- half court line---- a player dribbling up the floor has to get all three parts over the line. The ball, his right foot and left foot. Then he is considered front court status. If he has ball and one foot over the line then he can pass it to a player in the backcourt or dribble it still in the back court.
2) Three seconds------ in the paint on the offensive end of the court-------a player has to be inside the paint for three seconds while his team has possession. When the shot goes up no team possession. If the offensive team gets the rebound then the count starts over. Believe me 3 seconds is a lenient call for the offensive team!
3) Over the back------ player rebounds over someone else----- over the back means that the rebounder that is behind an opponent displaces the opponent. Then foul should be called. We shouldn't penalize a player that rebounds the ball without displacement. On the other hand a player that is boxing out a player can't just keep pushing his opponent back like we used to be taught.
4)Get him off of him----- contact------ basketball is a contact sport. There will be contact in it. When a player gains an advantage over another player then he should be penalized. If a player puts one hand in a player to size him up and gains no advantage. No foul should be called. If a player puts a hand on a player and gains an advantage by moving him off line then a foul should be called. If a defensive player puts 2 hands on a player with ball, automatic foul to be called.
5) That ball hit the top of the backboard----- it is still live------ if ball is on top of backboard and rolls off the front then it is live. If it hits a brace or shot clock or rolls over the back it is dead. If it hits the side of backboard it is live. If it goes directly over the corner of backboard then it should be live.

Rule 4 is the one that is not called as often as needed . IT was quoted as you can engage a player with one hand but that hand has to come off and if engaged again it's a foul . Would this be getting an advantage? ALSO THIS WAS EXPANDED TO ALL PLAYERS that had had control of the ball which also means post players . Another call that people question is the 5 second count . Can you expand on that . Good Stuff!

Ya, I can’t stand the 5 second call.
Is it 5 seconds to when the out of bounds player releases the ball or when the player inbounds touches it?
It seems like during the game it’s called to when the player inbounds touches it then late in the game they allow the ball to be rolled all the way to half court to preserve time, taking way over 5 seconds. WHICH IS IT?

[Ironman92]

Things you hear people scream at officials.
1) That's over and back---- half court line---- a player dribbling up the floor has to get all three parts over the line. The ball, his right foot and left foot. Then he is considered front court status. If he has ball and one foot over the line then he can pass it to a player in the backcourt or dribble it still in the back court.
2) Three seconds------ in the paint on the offensive end of the court-------a player has to be inside the paint for three seconds while his team has possession. When the shot goes up no team possession. If the offensive team gets the rebound then the count starts over. Believe me 3 seconds is a lenient call for the offensive team!
3) Over the back------ player rebounds over someone else----- over the back means that the rebounder that is behind an opponent displaces the opponent. Then foul should be called. We shouldn't penalize a player that rebounds the ball without displacement. On the other hand a player that is boxing out a player can't just keep pushing his opponent back like we used to be taught.
4)Get him off of him----- contact------ basketball is a contact sport. There will be contact in it. When a player gains an advantage over another player then he should be penalized. If a player puts one hand in a player to size him up and gains no advantage. No foul should be called. If a player puts a hand on a player and gains an advantage by moving him off line then a foul should be called. If a defensive player puts 2 hands on a player with ball, automatic foul to be called.
5) That ball hit the top of the backboard----- it is still live------ if ball is on top of backboard and rolls off the front then it is live. If it hits a brace or shot clock or rolls over the back it is dead. If it hits the side of backboard it is live. If it goes directly over the corner of backboard then it should be live.

Rule 4 is the one that is not called as often as needed . IT was quoted as you can engage a player with one hand but that hand has to come off and if engaged again it's a foul . Would this be getting an advantage? ALSO THIS WAS EXPANDED TO ALL PLAYERS that had had control of the ball which also means post players . Another call that people question is the 5 second count . Can you expand on that . Good Stuff!

Ya, I can’t stand the 5 second call.
Is it 5 seconds to when the out of bounds player releases the ball or when the player inbounds touches it?
It seems like during the game it’s called to when the player inbounds touches it then late in the game they allow the ball to be rolled all the way to half court to preserve time, taking way over 5 seconds. WHICH IS IT?

Release

[Truth&fiction]

Ball control 5 second count. Within 6ft of offense player counts starts over when ball is picked up or initial dribble is started . Some officials this is their favorite call . Please give us some insight. I've seen counts starts when crossing mid court and defensive player not making a play on ball sometimes 8ft off offensive player . What's up with that ??

[clevelandbrowns#1]

Jackie Moon-- thx--- it was a sentence I served!! Rules?? There are rules?? Lol
Truth/Fiction---- 5 seconds on the out of bounds--- on the release. 5 second closely guarded is when the defender is within 6 ft of the offensive player with ball and in defensive position. 6ft is a judgement call by officials-- just watch when he/she starts the 5 second count. When the dribbler picks up the ball then he has another 4 seconds to get rid of the ball. The 5 second count starts as soon as the offensive player crosses half court and is closely guarded (6ft). If the defender is screened but another defensive player picks up the dribbler then the count continues. Now if the dribbler gets head and shoulders ahead of the defender then the count is off. A lot of judgement in this call.

[Ironman92]

Jackie Moon-- thx--- it was a sentence I served!! Rules?? There are rules?? Lol
Truth/Fiction---- 5 seconds on the out of bounds--- on the release. 5 second closely guarded is when the defender is within 6 ft of the offensive player with ball and in defensive position. 6ft is a judgement call by officials-- just watch when he/she starts the 5 second count. When the dribbler picks up the ball then he has another 4 seconds to get rid of the ball. The 5 second count starts as soon as the offensive player crosses half court and is closely guarded (6ft). If the defender is screened but another defensive player picks up the dribbler then the count continues. Now if the dribbler gets head and shoulders ahead of the defender then the count is off. A lot of judgement in this call.

Maybe I read it wrong but if defender is doing what is need for a 5 second call to begin being counted...and ref get to 4 but dribbler picks up dribble...he has another 4 seconds to get rid of it?

[clevelandbrowns#1]

Ironman, yes!! If a ball is passed to an offensive player and he is closely guarded then he can hold it for 4 seconds, then start his dribble for 4 seconds, then pick it back up for 4 more seconds before he passes or shoots it. So legally he can hold it for 12 closely guarded seconds.

[george]

Things you hear people scream at officials.
1) That's over and back---- half court line---- a player dribbling up the floor has to get all three parts over the line. The ball, his right foot and left foot. Then he is considered front court status. If he has ball and one foot over the line then he can pass it to a player in the backcourt or dribble it still in the back court.
2) Three seconds------ in the paint on the offensive end of the court-------a player has to be inside the paint for three seconds while his team has possession. When the shot goes up no team possession. If the offensive team gets the rebound then the count starts over. Believe me 3 seconds is a lenient call for the offensive team!
3) Over the back------ player rebounds over someone else----- over the back means that the rebounder that is behind an opponent displaces the opponent. Then foul should be called. We shouldn't penalize a player that rebounds the ball without displacement. On the other hand a player that is boxing out a player can't just keep pushing his opponent back like we used to be taught.
4)Get him off of him----- contact------ basketball is a contact sport. There will be contact in it. When a player gains an advantage over another player then he should be penalized. If a player puts one hand in a player to size him up and gains no advantage. No foul should be called. If a player puts a hand on a player and gains an advantage by moving him off line then a foul should be called. If a defensive player puts 2 hands on a player with ball, automatic foul to be called.
5) That ball hit the top of the backboard----- it is still live------ if ball is on top of backboard and rolls off the front then it is live. If it hits a brace or shot clock or rolls over the back it is dead. If it hits the side of backboard it is live. If it goes directly over the corner of backboard then it should be live.

there is no call or rule over the back

[Ironman92]

Ironman, yes!! If a ball is passed to an offensive player and he is closely guarded then he can hold it for 4 seconds, then start his dribble for 4 seconds, then pick it back up for 4 more seconds before he passes or shoots it. So legally he can hold it for 12 closely guarded seconds.

Cool

[Tower]

Jackie Moon-- thx--- it was a sentence I served!! Rules?? There are rules?? Lol
Truth/Fiction---- 5 seconds on the out of bounds--- on the release. 5 second closely guarded is when the defender is within 6 ft of the offensive player with ball and in defensive position. 6ft is a judgement call by officials-- just watch when he/she starts the 5 second count. When the dribbler picks up the ball then he has another 4 seconds to get rid of the ball. The 5 second count starts as soon as the offensive player crosses half court and is closely guarded (6ft). If the defender is screened but another defensive player picks up the dribbler then the count continues. Now if the dribbler gets head and shoulders ahead of the defender then the count is off. A lot of judgement in this call.

Question on 5 sec rule with defender guarding player. I had a ref tell me once, if player switches hand on dribble then new count begins. Even if it is from sideline to sidekine. I thought he had to move forward or break distance from defender. Which is it? And Thanks. Been awhile since played and some rules change.

[pfloyd]

... good stuff ! clevelandbrowns#1 did I read where OHSAA has implemented the 30 pt. running clock rule for the 2nd half of all postseason basketball games both girls & boys hs games ?

[clevelandbrowns#1]

Tower, that is funny, switching hands has nothing to do with it, but funny! You have to get head and shoulders ahead of who is guarding you.
PFloyd, I think it's 35 points and then if it's cut to 30 then clock stops again!