2018 Division Breakdowns

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by Truth&fiction » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:24 pm

The only way I would be in favor of keeping 4 divisions would be take 600 plus in D1 and divide the other 3 up equally . 200 and below D4, 201 to 400 D3,401 to 600 D2. That is a whole lot more competitive BALANCED THAN 363 TO 1353. Come on OHSAA get this done . NO ACTION APPEARS UNACCEPTABLE . This will keep Ohio High School Basketball moving upward . Be the leader in fairness to all . Either expand or realign the 4 Div . I will not comment again on this unless I see more support ON COMPETITIVE BALANCE . Good luck to all the teams in the State. Hope all are having a productive June . There is none better than Ohio High School Sports . It's second to none !



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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by mhs95_06 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:00 pm

GoBucks1047 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:24 pm

SEODAB school breakdown by divisions
D1 - 2 schools (to Central)
D2 - 20 schools
D3 - 28 schools
D4 - 21 schools
So how does the number of teams that advance to regionals in each division break down? On the girls forum, davewottle, posted the below, in last paragraph, which shows the girls get 1 in D2(18 schools), 2 in D3(29 schools), and 2 in D4(22 schools).

In 2017, boys got: 2 in D2(19 teams), 2 in D3(29 teams), 2 in D4(22 teams)
In 2017, girls got: 1 in D2(18 teams), 3 in D3(30 teams), 2 in D4(22 teams) D3 fell from 3 reps to 2

Representation from the district to regional tournaments in girls basketball for 2018 would be: Division I: Combined Central, one East school (Dresden Tri-Valley) and one Southeast school (Logan) 4; Combined Northeast and one Southeast school (Marietta) 6; Northwest 2, and Southwest 4; Division II: Central 2; East 2; Northeast 5; Northwest 3; Southeast 1, and Southwest 3; Division III: Central 2; East 1; Northeast 4; Northwest 3; Southeast 2, and Southwest 4; Division IV: Central 1; East 1; Northeast 3; Northwest 6; Southeast 2, and Southwest 3.

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by GoBucks1047 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:48 pm

trojandave wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:41 pm
I could definitely favor keeping 4 divisions ONLY IF the current D1 is divided up. GoBucks1047 has a good idea on divisional breakdown, although the 496 is still a little bit low for me. E high's proposal seems good, but I wonder what the 100 teams low number would be.

I do agree that someday soon the OHSAA will most likely expand to 5 divisions, with the largest division having a smaller number of schools than the other 4 divisions.
If I remember correct, the low number for 96 was 528 where D1 was 16 districts of 6 teams each. The main reason for 96 was because the Northwest distict was able to squeeze out 6 teams for a district where 3-4 was only available under an 80 team D1. With the 96 team D1, the setup is roughly 6 districts for NE, 4 for SW, 5 for C, 0 for E/SE (no teams; Logan the closest w/ 500), and then the 1 for NW. A few teams would have to move districts to make the regionals equal in terms of the number of teams. Also with 96 teams, it can be a building block for if or when OHSAA expands to a 5th division and D2-D4 can just split evenly from 3 separate divisions into 4 separate divisions and D1 can be left as is.

I personally think regions should set up with districts to begin the process, determine how many regional qualifiers each district can have (basically starts out the same as the current process), and then move teams to make the number of teams per regional as equal as possible while being as geographical as possible and then set up districts and sectionals (D2-D4) from there.

Edit: #100's lower number, actually #98-100, is 518 at with #97 sitting at 523. #101 is at 512.
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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by GoBucks1047 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:54 am

mhs95_06 wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:00 pm
GoBucks1047 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:24 pm

SEODAB school breakdown by divisions
D1 - 2 schools (to Central)
D2 - 20 schools
D3 - 28 schools
D4 - 21 schools
So how does the number of teams that advance to regionals in each division break down? On the girls forum, davewottle, posted the below, in last paragraph, which shows the girls get 1 in D2(18 schools), 2 in D3(29 schools), and 2 in D4(22 schools).

In 2017, boys got: 2 in D2(19 teams), 2 in D3(29 teams), 2 in D4(22 teams)
In 2017, girls got: 1 in D2(18 teams), 3 in D3(30 teams), 2 in D4(22 teams) D3 fell from 3 reps to 2

Representation from the district to regional tournaments in girls basketball for 2018 would be: Division I: Combined Central, one East school (Dresden Tri-Valley) and one Southeast school (Logan) 4; Combined Northeast and one Southeast school (Marietta) 6; Northwest 2, and Southwest 4; Division II: Central 2; East 2; Northeast 5; Northwest 3; Southeast 1, and Southwest 3; Division III: Central 2; East 1; Northeast 4; Northwest 3; Southeast 2, and Southwest 4; Division IV: Central 1; East 1; Northeast 3; Northwest 6; Southeast 2, and Southwest 3.
Once the divisions are set in one sport, the number of teams in a district within a division throughout the state represent how many teams a district can have represent in regionals and only 16 teams can advance to regionals in the entire state. The amount of district representation in regionals also varies from sport to sport. Some districts have more teams in a higher division of Girls than Boys and then vice-versa. Hope this helps you understand this better.

Edit: http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/bk/Rebounde ... dition.pdf
I had ran across this before and it'll better explain the process for you.

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by Chieftain Fan » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:48 am

Truth&fiction wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:24 pm
The only way I would be in favor of keeping 4 divisions would be take 600 plus in D1 and divide the other 3 up equally . 200 and below D4, 201 to 400 D3,401 to 600 D2. That is a whole lot more competitive BALANCED THAN 363 TO 1353. Come on OHSAA get this done . NO ACTION APPEARS UNACCEPTABLE . This will keep Ohio High School Basketball moving upward . Be the leader in fairness to all . Either expand or realign the 4 Div . I will not comment again on this unless I see more support ON COMPETITIVE BALANCE . Good luck to all the teams in the State. Hope all are having a productive June . There is none better than Ohio High School Sports . It's second to none !
I like your post about the imbalance but not sure anyone of authority is paying attention . Is there anyone out there ?

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by GoBucks1047 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:31 am

Chieftain Fan wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:48 am
Truth&fiction wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:24 pm
The only way I would be in favor of keeping 4 divisions would be take 600 plus in D1 and divide the other 3 up equally . 200 and below D4, 201 to 400 D3,401 to 600 D2. That is a whole lot more competitive BALANCED THAN 363 TO 1353. Come on OHSAA get this done . NO ACTION APPEARS UNACCEPTABLE . This will keep Ohio High School Basketball moving upward . Be the leader in fairness to all . Either expand or realign the 4 Div . I will not comment again on this unless I see more support ON COMPETITIVE BALANCE . Good luck to all the teams in the State. Hope all are having a productive June . There is none better than Ohio High School Sports . It's second to none !
I like your post about the imbalance but not sure anyone of authority is paying attention . Is there anyone out there ?
Plus looking at 601-1373, there's only 72 schools with only 2 schools from the Northwest District meaning they would have to travel all the way to Cleveland or to Dayton for a 1st or 2nd round game from Toledo when with 96 schools in D1 (528+), you can get 6 schools and you can get 7-8 with a 112 D1 (501+). Also, a 401-600 D2 is only around 100 schools, 201-400 D3 is around 200 schools, and 12-200 schools is around 400 schools (can't remember the actual numbers other than D1). The idea sounds good on paper, but once the number of teams per division is realized, the idea doesn't look not as good as originally thought.

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by Truth&fiction » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:27 pm

GoBucks1047 wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:31 am
Chieftain Fan wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:48 am
Truth&fiction wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:24 pm
The only way I would be in favor of keeping 4 divisions would be take 600 plus in D1 and divide the other 3 up equally . 200 and below D4, 201 to 400 D3,401 to 600 D2. That is a whole lot more competitive BALANCED THAN 363 TO 1353. Come on OHSAA get this done . NO ACTION APPEARS UNACCEPTABLE . This will keep Ohio High School Basketball moving upward . Be the leader in fairness to all . Either expand or realign the 4 Div . I will not comment again on this unless I see more support ON COMPETITIVE BALANCE . Good luck to all the teams in the State. Hope all are having a productive June . There is none better than Ohio High School Sports . It's second to none !
I like your post about the imbalance but not sure anyone of authority is paying attention . Is there anyone out there ?
Plus looking at 601-1373, there's only 72 schools with only 2 schools from the Northwest District meaning they would have to travel all the way to Cleveland or to Dayton for a 1st or 2nd round game from Toledo when with 96 schools in D1 (528+), you can get 6 schools and you can get 7-8 with a 112 D1 (501+). Also, a 401-600 D2 is only around 100 schools, 201-400 D3 is around 200 schools, and 12-200 schools is around 400 schools (can't remember the actual numbers other than D1). The idea sounds good on paper, but once the number of teams per division is realized, the idea doesn't look not as good as originally thought.
So do you have a better break down ? Those numbers can be adjusted . There are 91 schools with 525 or more. Could the balance be split up among the other 3 division or add 1 more divisions and split the balance ? As for travel that has been an issue but a trip from Toledo to Dayton is not all that hateful or to Cleveland ( 2hr 10 min) Thanks for your input.

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by GoBucks1047 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:21 am

Truth&fiction wrote:
Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:27 pm
GoBucks1047 wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:31 am
Chieftain Fan wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:48 am

I like your post about the imbalance but not sure anyone of authority is paying attention . Is there anyone out there ?
Plus looking at 601-1373, there's only 72 schools with only 2 schools from the Northwest District meaning they would have to travel all the way to Cleveland or to Dayton for a 1st or 2nd round game from Toledo when with 96 schools in D1 (528+), you can get 6 schools and you can get 7-8 with a 112 D1 (501+). Also, a 401-600 D2 is only around 100 schools, 201-400 D3 is around 200 schools, and 12-200 schools is around 400 schools (can't remember the actual numbers other than D1). The idea sounds good on paper, but once the number of teams per division is realized, the idea doesn't look not as good as originally thought.
So do you have a better break down ? Those numbers can be adjusted . There are 91 schools with 525 or more. Could the balance be split up among the other 3 division or add 1 more divisions and split the balance ? As for travel that has been an issue but a trip from Toledo to Dayton is not all that hateful or to Cleveland ( 2hr 10 min) Thanks for your input.
Your Divisional Breakdown
D1 - 601+ - 75 Schools
D2 - 401-600 - 98 Schools
D3 - 201-400 - 250 Schools
D4 - 12-200 - 376 Schools

A thought to consider is that the kids have to ride on a bus for 4-5 hours round-trip, potentially on a school night. It is possible to schedule district games on Friday and/or Saturday nights only while other divisions have sectionals and then districts twice a week, but I don't believe some teams would want to travel 4-5 hours per game for 2-3 games just in districts when a district could be set up and save money on travel costs initially for schools that advance throughout districts, and then travel for regionals for 1-2 games followed by state. Seeing how the Northwest regional (more Northwest/East-Northeast) has it's own geographical district in D1, I think it is important that it remains rather than combine it with another district in the opposite side of the state, and then merge with a part of the Northeast districts and maybe even a part of the Central districts come regionals.

My thought on D1 is to cut from 199 in D1 to at least 96 in order to be sure everyone gets a geographical district that would require driving 45 minutes at most and divide the remaining schools into 3 divisions as even as possible (96, 234, 234, 235 - 100, 233, 233, 233 - 112, 229, 229, 229 - 116, 227, 228, 228), and it still leaves the possibility for the creation of a 5th division if OHSAA would wish to pursure it. Also worth noting that the top 96 teams is 528+, top 100 is 518+, top 112 is 500-501+ (111-113), and top 116 is 496 (115-117). In terms of a 4 division breakdown, I've debated between a 100 school D1 (I think separates the gap between big D1 schools and small D2 schools) and a 112 school D1 (creates the most balanced and most competitive bracket while keeping D1 over 500); still uncertain. If OHSAA expanded to a 5 division breakdown, I'd easily pick a 96 school D1 (96, 176, 176, 176, 176) with a 112 school D1 (112, 172, 172, 172, 172) coming in second. Of course, proven true using enrollment figures this year, all numbers won't be exactly as intended and will have to be adjusted from time to time.

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by Coach SLegg » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:46 am

Just to put a little history behind these discussions, here's something I found from researching Piketon basketball history in the Chillicothe Gazette...

1951-52 Ohio Boys' Basketball Season
The State of Ohio surveyed its schools to start the 1951-52 season. The results of the survey showed there were 1,089 boys' basketball teams, one of the largest numbers in the U.S. 244 were Class A (big school) and 845 were Class B (small school). These numbers were actually smaller than from in past seasons as some consolidation of schools had begun around the state.
Just to show how popular basketball had become locally, there were 100 local (non-high school) teams playing in the Chillicothe City Recreational League.

Like they say, history repeats itself...
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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by mhs95_06 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:30 pm

GoBucks1047 wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:54 am
mhs95_06 wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:00 pm
GoBucks1047 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:24 pm

SEODAB school breakdown by divisions
D1 - 2 schools (to Central)
D2 - 20 schools
D3 - 28 schools
D4 - 21 schools
So how does the number of teams that advance to regionals in each division break down? On the girls forum, davewottle, posted the below, in last paragraph, which shows the girls get 1 in D2(18 schools), 2 in D3(29 schools), and 2 in D4(22 schools).

In 2017, boys got: 2 in D2(19 teams), 2 in D3(29 teams), 2 in D4(22 teams)
In 2017, girls got: 1 in D2(18 teams), 3 in D3(30 teams), 2 in D4(22 teams) D3 fell from 3 reps to 2

Representation from the district to regional tournaments in girls basketball for 2018 would be: Division I: Combined Central, one East school (Dresden Tri-Valley) and one Southeast school (Logan) 4; Combined Northeast and one Southeast school (Marietta) 6; Northwest 2, and Southwest 4; Division II: Central 2; East 2; Northeast 5; Northwest 3; Southeast 1, and Southwest 3; Division III: Central 2; East 1; Northeast 4; Northwest 3; Southeast 2, and Southwest 4; Division IV: Central 1; East 1; Northeast 3; Northwest 6; Southeast 2, and Southwest 3.
Once the divisions are set in one sport, the number of teams in a district within a division throughout the state represent how many teams a district can have represent in regionals and only 16 teams can advance to regionals in the entire state. The amount of district representation in regionals also varies from sport to sport. Some districts have more teams in a higher division of Girls than Boys and then vice-versa. Hope this helps you understand this better.

Edit: http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/bk/Rebounde ... dition.pdf
I had ran across this before and it'll better explain the process for you.
I understand that, but I'm wondering with the new numbers of 20/28/21, what the result is for how many teams in each division the SE district will get out to regional? Looks like girls lost one in D3.

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by GoBucks1047 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:51 am

mhs95_06 wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:30 pm
GoBucks1047 wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:54 am
mhs95_06 wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:00 pm


So how does the number of teams that advance to regionals in each division break down? On the girls forum, davewottle, posted the below, in last paragraph, which shows the girls get 1 in D2(18 schools), 2 in D3(29 schools), and 2 in D4(22 schools).

In 2017, boys got: 2 in D2(19 teams), 2 in D3(29 teams), 2 in D4(22 teams)
In 2017, girls got: 1 in D2(18 teams), 3 in D3(30 teams), 2 in D4(22 teams) D3 fell from 3 reps to 2

Representation from the district to regional tournaments in girls basketball for 2018 would be: Division I: Combined Central, one East school (Dresden Tri-Valley) and one Southeast school (Logan) 4; Combined Northeast and one Southeast school (Marietta) 6; Northwest 2, and Southwest 4; Division II: Central 2; East 2; Northeast 5; Northwest 3; Southeast 1, and Southwest 3; Division III: Central 2; East 1; Northeast 4; Northwest 3; Southeast 2, and Southwest 4; Division IV: Central 1; East 1; Northeast 3; Northwest 6; Southeast 2, and Southwest 3.
Once the divisions are set in one sport, the number of teams in a district within a division throughout the state represent how many teams a district can have represent in regionals and only 16 teams can advance to regionals in the entire state. The amount of district representation in regionals also varies from sport to sport. Some districts have more teams in a higher division of Girls than Boys and then vice-versa. Hope this helps you understand this better.

Edit: http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/bk/Rebounde ... dition.pdf
I had ran across this before and it'll better explain the process for you.
I understand that, but I'm wondering with the new numbers of 20/28/21, what the result is for how many teams in each division the SE district will get out to regional? Looks like girls lost one in D3.
I think Bsee12345 has it correct.
bsee12345 wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:39 pm
I believe this is how the Regional Representation will be for D2, D3 and D4
Division II
Central District 2 teams to Regionals
East District 2 teams to Regionals
Northeast 5 teams to Regionals
Northwest 2 teams to Regionals
Southeast 2 teams to Regionals
Southwest 3 teams to regionals

Division III
Central District 2 teams to Regionals
East District 1 team to Regionals
Northeast District 4 teams to Regionals
Northwest District 3 teams to Regionals
Southeast District 2 teams to Regionals
Southwest District 4 teams to Regionals

Division IV
Central District 1 team to Regionals
East District 1 team to Regionals
Northeast 3 teams to Regionals
Northwest 6 teams to Regionals
Southeast 2 teams to Regionals
Southwest 3 teams to Regionals

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by E High » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:15 pm

? Are you saying in D-2 that no team from Columbus will be in Athens this year ?

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Re: 2018 Division Breakdowns

Post by bearcat74 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:19 pm

Gonna be interesting to see how this pans out...

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