Jerry Newman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:26 pm
This is what happens when Unioto plays a school their own size.
Like the other 3 tournament games this year where they won. Maybe you should start your annual "Unioto should leave the SVC" thread, since it's about that time
Already did. It's on the football forum. Sad thing about Unioto is being twice the size of everyone else in the SVC wasn't enough. They had to go out and get Swackhammer and Hill from other districts.
Our 3 Freshmen who dressed in the tournament came from ZT (in 6th grade) too, so you can whine about that in the future too.
I assume that you struggle with math since there are 2 other SVC schools who are D2/D4 now. Not sure if that's twice as big as those either. But, just keep complaining instead of working harder, it seems to work out well for whoever you support.
danicalifornia wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:37 pm
Tonight was pretty terrible from the start. JG was quicker than we expected and obviously shot the ball better than we had seen as well. They are a very well coached and talented team. There is a reason why they are in their 5th Regional Final in 7 years. Kudos to #42 for knocking down 4 3's, especially since he hadn't really been a shooter all year for them. Shot with confidence and I'm not sure if any of them touched anything but the bottom of the net.
However, we made plenty of adjustments...just none of them that worked. We weren't a team who could press a team all night (like 2 and 3 years ago), just didn't have the depth for that. Our multiple different pressures were ineffective, which tends to happen against a team with 5 guys on the floor at all times who can handle the ball.
About our schedule: yes it needs an upgrade, we all know that. However, I'm not sure how Miami Trace doesn't get you ready, especially since they were a 1 seed last year. Now, they may be down next year, but they have been a solid team to have every year. McClain, yeah, that's one that needs dropped.
If we leave the SVC, it won't be for the FAC, unless they can prove that they will stay together for more than a couple of years. It would be a good fit, however, Chillicothe has to prove that they can stay in a league for a bit, in my opinion.
How many other D2 schools have won 2 or more District Titles in the past 4 seasons? You say that Unioto isn't an "elite" in the SE District, but only Vinton County has won 2 District Titles in the past 4 years in D2. Our schedule does need bumped up, but it hasn't stopped us before and I'm really not sure who we could've picked up this year that would've got us over that buzzsaw that we ran into tonight.
We are losing 7 amazing young men to graduation. These guys worked their tails off for the entire time that they were apart of the Unioto Basketball program and have taken it to heights that it hadn't reached in an extended period of time before. 2 will move on to play college football, 2 will move on to play college basketball, and 2 will be joining our nation's military. It obviously wasn't how we all wanted it to end, but I'll choose to remember the more positive times.
Great post. You are correct that Unioto needs to bump up the non-league schedule some (although next year may not be the year with five new starters), and you are also correct that if Unioto played the best non-league schedule in the SE tonight that it wouldn't have made a difference. John Glenn was just better than Unioto. Sometimes that happens.
I'd love to see Unioto in the MSL if Teays Valley leaves to go to a new league.
Jerry Newman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:26 pm
This is what happens when Unioto plays a school their own size.
Like the other 3 tournament games this year where they won. Maybe you should start your annual "Unioto should leave the SVC" thread, since it's about that time
Already did. It's on the football forum. Sad thing about Unioto is being twice the size of everyone else in the SVC wasn't enough. They had to go out and get Swackhammer and Hill from other districts.
SHOTS FIRED!!!!!
Unioto strives for more than winning the SVC. But deep playoff runs is what its really about. You gotta have transfers and do some recruiting for that and Hoops aligned this team nicely over the last 4 years. They are in a rebuilding mode now. But it was a good ride!
side note. People who complain about the transfers have a coach who has not adapted to HS ball in 2018 and likely are uber jealous that their coach cannot land anyone to take them to the next level lol. Salt!
bbjunky81 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:33 am
Question, where did Hill move in from and when? I know Swack came from Jackson but to Hoops credit, Jackson is the one that screwed that situation up.
Please stop with the Unioto leaving the SVC. How soon people forget before this great group of talent came through Unioto was not very good. As soon as I sat down for the game last night I was concerned. John Glenn had many 6ft to 6ft 2 strong guards with long arms to defend. The matchup was very bad for Fisher, Kennedy, Hill and the other bigger guard the U has. Swack had the only advantage. Game over they are better. All of you experts need to go watch a D1 game in Columbus and see how fundamental defensive physical teams win games regularly.
Like the other 3 tournament games this year where they won. Maybe you should start your annual "Unioto should leave the SVC" thread, since it's about that time
Already did. It's on the football forum. Sad thing about Unioto is being twice the size of everyone else in the SVC wasn't enough. They had to go out and get Swackhammer and Hill from other districts.
side note. People who complain about the transfers have a coach who has not adapted to HS ball in 2018 and likely are uber jealous that their coach cannot land anyone to take them to the next level lol. Salt!
If this is high school basketball, what life lesson are we teaching these students? Only 1 team per division go out winners, everyone else finishes the season with a loss. I would rather work with what I have, than sell my soul to win a high school basketball game!
Maybe, 3 to 4 percent go on to the next level from high school!
As for this game, not much to say. You cant argue that Unioto has been blessed over the last several seasons.
Never seen Unioto play this year, but I wasn't very impressed. JG shot the ball well, yes, but after hearing all the hype about "The U", I thought they would bring at least some toughness, if nothing else.
I think the results from both games last night show that fundamentally sound, strong defensive teams win games.
Also have to keep in mind though, these are 16-18 yr old kids we're talking about. They aren't professionals, and getting them to be able to play at their A game every night is very difficult to do.
I had talked to someone close to the program and it wasn't that they didn't match-up well with JG, but rather everything they did went right, and everything they did went wrong. For example, you have a kid who has only made eight threes all year, but comes into the Convo and makes four in the first quarter. I don't care how good of coach you are, you can't prepare for that, and when it happens, there are not adjustments that can be made to stop it. Furthermore, JG maybe only missed three shots in the first half.
I know what it feels like, the year Chillicothe won the state, 2008, they drilled Vinton County in the regional semi-finals on a similar shooting performance. If I remember correctly, they were 10/14 from behind the arc, for 71%. How do you defend that? You secretly hope that Humpty sprains an ankle? What do you do?
This scheduling argument is non-sense. First, to even to get to the regionals, one, you have to be a great team, two, you have to be a little lucky along the way, and three, you have to expect the unexpected. And once, you get to this level, you are going to run into teams, that are just better, some with better athletes, better basketball players, and better coaching. There is no scheduling wand that can duplicate that atmosphere, or competitiveness, while trying to maintain success. Think about it. There is a fine line between scheduling to be competitive and successful and being beat for the sake of playing up. After all, if you accumulate losses, you are no longer a team with preferred seeding.
For example, this year for Vinton County. We had a "snake-bitten" year, injuries throughout the season and it hurt us. As a team, at full strength, we played only ten games, and went 9-1. But because we had six losses, going into the draw, we were the four seed, and probably been fortunate to have that. However, where did that put us, playing the "allegedly" best team in the tournament.
hawkeyepierce wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:39 am
I had talked to someone close to the program and it wasn't that they didn't match-up well with JG, but rather everything they did went right, and everything they did went wrong. For example, you have a kid who has only made eight threes all year, but comes into the Convo and makes four in the first quarter. I don't care how good of coach you are, you can't prepare for that, and when it happens, there are not adjustments that can be made to stop it. Furthermore, JG maybe only missed three shots in the first half.
I know what it feels like, the year Chillicothe won the state, 2008, they drilled Vinton County in the regional semi-finals on a similar shooting performance. If I remember correctly, they were 10/14 from behind the arc, for 71%. How do you defend that? You secretly hope that Humpty sprains an ankle? What do you do?
This scheduling argument is non-sense. First, to even to get to the regionals, one, you have to be a great team, two, you have to be a little lucky along the way, and three, you have to expect the unexpected. And once, you get to this level, you are going to run into teams, that are just better, some with better athletes, better basketball players, and better coaching. There is no scheduling wand that can duplicate that atmosphere, or competitiveness, while trying to maintain success. Think about it. There is a fine line between scheduling to be competitive and successful and being beat for the sake of playing up. After all, if you accumulate losses, you are no longer a team with preferred seeding.
For example, this year for Vinton County. We had a "snake-bitten" year, injuries throughout the season and it hurt us. As a team, at full strength, we played only ten games, and went 9-1. But because we had six losses, going into the draw, we were the four seed, and probably been fortunate to have that. However, where did that put us, playing the "allegedly" best team in the tournament.
Just saying.
Wrong, All you have to look at is Unioto's point total. This matchup was bad. Swackhammer has shot making ability so he got some decent shots off. Kennedy had very few looks at all, Fisher for the first time all year had a kid his size that was stronger than him and could not get to those loose balls like usual, hill had no shot at guarding his man, and fifth guard was totally overwhelmed. It wasn't John Glenn's point total that was the problem it was Unioto's. Bad matchup. End of story.
hawkeyepierce wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:39 am
I had talked to someone close to the program and it wasn't that they didn't match-up well with JG, but rather everything they did went right, and everything they did went wrong. For example, you have a kid who has only made eight threes all year, but comes into the Convo and makes four in the first quarter. I don't care how good of coach you are, you can't prepare for that, and when it happens, there are not adjustments that can be made to stop it. Furthermore, JG maybe only missed three shots in the first half.
I know what it feels like, the year Chillicothe won the state, 2008, they drilled Vinton County in the regional semi-finals on a similar shooting performance. If I remember correctly, they were 10/14 from behind the arc, for 71%. How do you defend that? You secretly hope that Humpty sprains an ankle? What do you do?
This scheduling argument is non-sense. First, to even to get to the regionals, one, you have to be a great team, two, you have to be a little lucky along the way, and three, you have to expect the unexpected. And once, you get to this level, you are going to run into teams, that are just better, some with better athletes, better basketball players, and better coaching. There is no scheduling wand that can duplicate that atmosphere, or competitiveness, while trying to maintain success. Think about it. There is a fine line between scheduling to be competitive and successful and being beat for the sake of playing up. After all, if you accumulate losses, you are no longer a team with preferred seeding.
For example, this year for Vinton County. We had a "snake-bitten" year, injuries throughout the season and it hurt us. As a team, at full strength, we played only ten games, and went 9-1. But because we had six losses, going into the draw, we were the four seed, and probably been fortunate to have that. However, where did that put us, playing the "allegedly" best team in the tournament.
Just saying.
Wrong, All you have to look at is Unioto's point total. This matchup was bad. Swackhammer has shot making ability so he got some decent shots off. Kennedy had very few looks at all, Fisher for the first time all year had a kid his size that was stronger than him and could not get to those loose balls like usual, hill had no shot at guarding his man, and fifth guard was totally overwhelmed. It wasn't John Glenn's point total that was the problem it was Unioto's. Bad matchup. End of story.
I agree. Unioto had did not match up with that physicality at all. They got beat up on all aspects but specifically the 'intensity' of on ball defense.
Hats off to JG coach, man. If you looked at JG you wouldn't say they 'scream' athleticism. But man they come at you allllll night. Only thing they are missing are boxing gloves.
JG’s title year they played so many good teams and probably the hardest schedule any team around here has ever faced/Fairland coming close. Unioto couldn’t have thrown anything at JG’s coach that he wouldn’t have had an answer for. He did lead his team to beating SVSM when SVSM had Jayvon Graves (Plays for Buffalo-beat Arizona last night) and Henry Baddley (plays at butler). Unioto had and excellent season and have a lot to be proud of.
JG's coach is one of the best in the state of Ohio. I figured they would win, maybe not by this much, but I thought they would definitely win. Woodard is as intelligent and experienced a coach as they come. We play them every year and no matter how much of their talent has "supposedly" dropped off, they still compete every single game.
John Glenn wins games by coming at you and wearing you down physically and mentally for 32 minutes, nonstop. It doesn't matter how much offensive talent the opposing team has - if they aren't used to the in-your-face pressure that JG brings, they will struggle. If you can't get in your rhythm as an offense, you won't score much, and thats what Woodard coaches his kids to do - take the other team out of their element.
The fact that JG does this year after year just shows how good of a coach they have. It is incredibly difficult to coach 16-18 yr old kids to buy into winning with defense, and definitely ain't easy to get kids to work hard enough to get in the right physical condition to be able to continue a 100% attack for 32 minutes of game action.
Didn't surprise me as to who won, but the margin was shocking. Thought the Shermans would play more competitive than that. Still, making it to the regionals is a great season for UHS.
I was not at the John Glenn-Unioto game and ask was John Glenn the better team or did Unioto have a bad night or were they not prepared. Unioto has had outstanding regular seasons for about 5 years and have won 56 straight league games. I have read Unioto lacked intensity and were outplayed in all areas of the game. So how does a school having won 56 league games in row and had great regular seasons for 5 years and making the schools 3rd Regional Appearance show up and lack intensity and get outplayed in all areas of the game and lose 36 points in Regional Semi-final. Yes, it seems John Glenn was the better team but to show up and lack intensity and get outhustled when you have worked for 3 years to get back to the Regionals.
Not one person mention that yes Unioto got beat by the better team but they played hard and went at it til the very end- if that were the case then hats off but it sure does not seem to be the case.
That's why I question is Unioto just happy to win game in the SVC and get to Regionals every so often. With the talent Unioto has had the last 5 years they may never be able to match the success they have had the last 5 year. I would think that getting to regionals a couple years ago and losing to Walnut Ridge by 1 point would make the U hungry to get back and to take the next step. But showing up lacking intensity and get outhustled I think is disappointing.
