Wheelersburg vs harvest prep

[Urban]

Spin it how you will. People need to know why things are the way they are. That's the best thing about competitive balance. At least there is now real numbers for people to see. I was surprised at how Wheelersburg fans didn't know the 30 cb number and what it means.

But the fact is Wheelersburg has a good program. But there is no magic potion. They have more numbers of better players than the local schools. They won at the high school level this year because of transfers. They won 8th grade boys basketball because of transfers. They won 7th grade girls basketball because of transfers. They win at little league baseball/softball because of transfers. Its a fact.

[wobycat]

Spin it how you will. People need to know why things are the way they are. That's the best thing about competitive balance. At least there is now real numbers for people to see. I was surprised at how Wheelersburg fans didn't know the 30 cb number and what it means.

But the fact is Wheelersburg has a good program. But there is no magic potion. They have more numbers of better players than the local schools. They won at the high school level this year because of transfers. They won 8th grade boys basketball because of transfers. They won 7th grade girls basketball because of transfers. They win at little league baseball/softball because of transfers. Its a fact.

Here’s some facts :

4 final fours in basketball
2 state championships in football
Best winning percentage at the convo
5 track state champions
More soc championships than the rest of the soc combined
Three state baseball championships
One softball state championship
A national championship in academics

[formerfcfan]

Spin it how you will. People need to know why things are the way they are. That's the best thing about competitive balance. At least there is now real numbers for people to see. I was surprised at how Wheelersburg fans didn't know the 30 cb number and what it means.

But the fact is Wheelersburg has a good program. But there is no magic potion. They have more numbers of better players than the local schools. They won at the high school level this year because of transfers. They won 8th grade boys basketball because of transfers. They won 7th grade girls basketball because of transfers. They win at little league baseball/softball because of transfers. Its a fact.

Here’s some facts :

4 final fours in basketball
2 state championships in football
Best winning percentage at the convo
5 track state champions
More soc championships than the rest of the soc combined
Three state baseball championships
One softball state championship
A national championship in academics (plus two state championships in academics.)

Helped ya fill in the accolades. ‘85 and ‘86, those two.

[E High]

East/SE aren't beating boys from Columbus very often. Playing field is not level in many aspects. Proud to win or lose with our own !

[coop]

Let’s clean this up a little bit, finish up the game discussion and move on.

Please do not reference curse words, even with stars, and there are kids reading this stuff and the “adults” should be setting the example!

Congrats on a good season Burg!

[thebarlowbandit]

I don't know that people are all jealous of the athletic success of Wheelersburg as much as they are tired of the pompousness of the Wheelersburg fans. I enjoy the overall discussion of the games before and after, but some of the remarks from people who have absolutely no outcome on the game are way over the top. Class is definitely needed by some down on the river.

You know what we get sick and tired about people on here bitching about the transfers coming in and even with the transfers Burg gets beat by 18 and like someone said without Holden having a great game they lose by 30+.

If everyone in SE Ohio is okay with just making the Regionals and then getting blown out by a recruited in AAU team then why play the game? We all know the caliber of players around here don’t come close to the amount of high talent players like HP, Africentric, Lutheran East, and do on have to chose from. As long as those types of teams are continued to be allowed to put together, no SE Ohio team will ever make it out of the Regional.

I do agree that until OHSAA develops a completely separate tournament for the private schools (who do in fact actively recruit the best prospects in their area) this will be an issue. Its the same in football, girl's basketball (Africentric is outstanding) as well as other sports.

They keep their enrollment down by only admitting kids who can have an instant impact on their athletics, thus staying in the smaller divisions as far as OHSAA is concerned.

Option 2 is to have them play up based on a multiplier as a private school (D2 plays D1 tourney, D3 plays D2 tourney, etc. and the D1 privates have their own tourney altogether) but I dont see the state ever doing that because the attendance of the D3-D5 privates to these games would be a skeleton crowd. We all know that with OHSAA, the money trumps everything else.

You do realize that Harvest Prep was already “Playing Up” a division? And a separate division is up to the public schools, who keep saying no to separate divisions.

[Prime Time]

After reading here, kinda of confused on this hill and Patroit Ridge. if its not in Wheelersburg School District, what school district is it in and then why dont those kids go to that school district. So what im saying is, wouldnt any kids living not in a school district , then be considered coming from another school district as part of what everyone is saying and why dont they go to school district that Patriot Ridge is in. Kinda of interesting facts. or confusing. Hiland will represent EAST/SE well in Columbus.this coming week

[burgbacker]

Patriot Ridge is in Green Local School District, just outside of the Wheelersburg District.

Some of the kids who live there go to Green, but I believe that most go to Wheelersburg.

Wheelersburg is one of the smallest districts in the county and many kids who attend there live just outside the boundary for the district, but choose to open enroll in Wheelersburg.

Hunter's Point is another home addition on SR 140 that is also not in Wheelersburg School District, but many of the kids who live there attend Wheelersburg.

It would seem to me that many parents and kids believe that Wheelersburg offers them opportunities (both academically and athletically) that their home districts don't.

[mikepike]

Patriot Ridge is in Green Local School District, just outside of the Wheelersburg District.

Some of the kids who live there go to Green, but I believe that most go to Wheelersburg.

Wheelersburg is one of the smallest districts in the county and many kids who attend there live just outside the boundary for the district, but choose to open enroll in Wheelersburg.

Hunter's Point is another home addition on SR 140 that is also not in Wheelersburg School District, but many of the kids who live there attend Wheelersburg.

It would seem to me that many parents and kids believe that Wheelersburg offers them opportunities (both academically and athletically) that their home districts don't.

Then this begs the obvious question... would Wheelersburg fare as well athletically if all of the kids from out of the Wheelersburg went to their home school? Is Wheelersburg’s success attributable to transfers/open enrollment/recruitment, whatever you want to call it?

[JTEK]

Patriot Ridge is in Green Local School District, just outside of the Wheelersburg District.

Some of the kids who live there go to Green, but I believe that most go to Wheelersburg.

Wheelersburg is one of the smallest districts in the county and many kids who attend there live just outside the boundary for the district, but choose to open enroll in Wheelersburg.

Hunter's Point is another home addition on SR 140 that is also not in Wheelersburg School District, but many of the kids who live there attend Wheelersburg.

It would seem to me that many parents and kids believe that Wheelersburg offers them opportunities (both academically and athletically) that their home districts don't.

Then this begs the obvious question... would Wheelersburg fare as well athletically if all of the kids from out of the Wheelersburg went to their home school? Is Wheelersburg’s success attributable to transfers/open enrollment/recruitment, whatever you want to call it?

I don’t think it matters in my oppinion if there was not open enrollment most of those kids would move into the district.

[burgbacker]

I think most of those folks would choose to live within the district if open enrollment wasn't an option.

If parents perceived that other schools gave their children the same opportunities that Wheelersburg does, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Prime Time]

My question would be if parents knows this home addition or place is not within the boundaries of that school district and stop open enrollment , I think that would help tremendously . Would parents move to that area knowing they would have to attend that school district. so stopping open enrollment I think would solve many problems from my perspective. Another thought here is parents that are well off building in these upper class areas but not wanting to send kids to that school,district, having it both ways.

[JTEK]

Not sure I’m comfortable telling people where they should live or send there children to school.

[Prime Time]

No, but if rules were in place such as no open enrollment, it would be black and white, you live here your kids go here, if you live there your kids go there.

[JTEK]

I think the burg was pretty successful way before open enrollment

[Prime Time]

Then the parents couldn’t have the choice of both worlds. Example I want to live here but want my kids to go there, well no you follow the rules. But if OHSAA would come in and say we are going to try and make things more even and fair no more open enrollment.

[burgbacker]

I appreciate the back and forth. My question is why is this a Wheelersburg problem? Shouldn't the burden be on the home district to provide a comparable experience that would compel the parents to keep their kid there?

This seems as simple as supply and demand to me. Wheelersburg is supplying something some people clearly want. Therefore, they are making the necessary accommodations to get it. If we do away with open enrollment, I think most will still make the necessary accommodations to get what they want. Though, I suppose, some may deem that price too high.

I think for parents, open enrollment is about considerably more than sports and that is where I think this idea runs into a real problem.

[Proud_Pirate63]

Patriot Ridge is in Green Local School District, just outside of the Wheelersburg District.

Some of the kids who live there go to Green, but I believe that most go to Wheelersburg.

Wheelersburg is one of the smallest districts in the county and many kids who attend there live just outside the boundary for the district, but choose to open enroll in Wheelersburg.

Hunter's Point is another home addition on SR 140 that is also not in Wheelersburg School District, but many of the kids who live there attend Wheelersburg.

It would seem to me that many parents and kids believe that Wheelersburg offers them opportunities (both academically and athletically) that their home districts don't.

Then this begs the obvious question... would Wheelersburg fare as well athletically if all of the kids from out of the Wheelersburg went to their home school? Is Wheelersburg’s success attributable to transfers/open enrollment/recruitment, whatever you want to call it?

I think the answer to that is not a simple one. Not all kids who attend Burg through open enrollment play sports. Those that do, they are not all “first string” in their respective sports.
Take the Patriots Ridge kids, it would be fair to say most attend Burg instead of Green or another school. Most of them have attended Burg their entire academic career. This means if they play a sport, then they have grown up and been developed in the Burg youth programs. These programs are well established and players learn from an early age what is expected of them. So you have to ask, would those students be developed the same if they attended another school? You have kids that are
natural athletes and would have success at any school they attend. You also have kids that need more development then others and really have to work at it. Burg does a great job with each kind of athlete. Now I’m not trashing other schools’ youth programs at all, I’m only speaking about Burg’s due to being involved in them as a player and a coach. In my opinion, Burg’s athletic success is due to the people involved at all levels, the system in place, and the expectation set for being a Burg athlete.

[Prime Time]

Where do the tax abatements go. Which school gets it. School district where the house is or school where kids go.

[Prime Time]

But the bottom line is the parents chose to live in that area knowing what the school district was