Is it time for a D2 SE Super Sectional?

[Raider6309]

After watching Unioto getting destroyed by John Glenn and Fairfield Union taking Fairland to overtime, is it finally time to have a super sectional?

[Ironman92]

I don’t think so but if it happens, do it all divisions

[bbjunky81]

I started a super sectional thread as soon as the tournament began but it never really took off for some reason..

But to answer your question, Yes. It should be that way in D2, D3, and D4. While the SE district is very wide it CAN be done with proper planning and scheduling.

[Ironman92]

I started a super sectional thread as soon as the tournament began but it never really took off for some reason..

But to answer your question, Yes. It should be that way in D2, D3, and D4. While the SE district is very wide it CAN be done with proper planning and scheduling.

Agree...it’s just not that hard

[formerfcfan]

Is a “Super Sectional”, in essence, what the Central District does currently?

[bsee12345]

Super Sectionals would work in the Southeast District. Division 2 could have Sectionals at Southeastern and Piketon. Division 3 could have sectionals at Jackson and Wellston. Division 4 could have sectionals at Waverly and Zane Trace. There are other school options. How every it would still come down to coaches vote. Taking D2 this year there no guarantee that Fairland and Fairfield Union would have been the 1 and 2 seeds. The vote could have very well had #1 Fairland, #2 Sheridan, #3 Unioto and #4 Fairfield Union and the same situation would have resulted. The more teams you have it makes seeding harder. But the goal is to get the best teams to the Regionals.

[bsee12345]

Is a “Super Sectional”, in essence, what the Central District does currently?

Yes this what is done in the Central District however they let the better seeded teams host in sectionals. I do not like that they do that even though the Central District team I follow has hosted 2 sectional games each of the last 2 years- losing the 2nd games at home that last 2 years. I like neutral sites during all tourney games.

[LucasDavenport]

I keep waiting for Captain Obvious to show up
And say:

No, the time for a Super Sectional is before you play The Districts and Regionals.

[Raider6309]

Is a “Super Sectional”, in essence, what the Central District does currently?

More what the East District does. Central is the entire regional. That might be a little much in rural southern ohio

[bman]

The district needs to be seeded top to bottom, so for D2 it would be 1 to 19 and the teams pick where they go on the bracket. This is long overdue, and the travel excuse is a crutch.

You can also manage the sectional sites differently and match the games to the best site. So, for example, Southeastern and Logan could host a blend of D2 and D3 games. That's one way you cut down on the travel.

[Reds Fan]

Just curious and trying to not stay out of the loop lol what is a super sectional?

[mhs95_06]

So the site location, date, and time are on the bracket for each game before any team gets to place themselves on the bracket, correct? I like the idea of a site hosting multiple divisions. I also do not like tourney games on a team's home floor!

[LucasDavenport]

It is what The Central District does. They do it for the entire Region only in D1 because they have 48 D1 teams and that gets your District 4 District Champions and it simply makes a perfect Regional.

The Central District only gets 1 District Champion in D4 and 2 District Champions in D2 and D3 —- therefore it would be very similar to our numbers here in The Southeast District.

The Central and The East Districts both seed every team in the District regardless of how many District Champions a Division Receives.

The Central and East Districts also differ from The Southeast District on how the teams are placed into The Brackets Teams get to choose where they go on the bracket. In D1 for example if there are 4 District Champions then The Top 4 seeds might all choose to go into different Districts— but they don’t have to. Last year in D2 The Top 3 seeds all chose to go into The same District (actually the 2 followed the 1 and then the 3 followed both the 2 and the 1 into the same district). The 4th seed after seeing them all choose the same District then chose to go into The other District and realized they were the Top seed in that District. This doesn’t happen often but all 3 Top seeds wanted to come to Athens for The Regional instead of going to Dayton as they saw it as the easiest path To The State and 3rd seeded Eastmoor won that District and proceeded to win The Athens Regional.

If there’s only 1 District Champion in the Central or East in a Certain Division (like Central D4 this year) the 1 seed goes on the bracket and if the 2 seed wants they can go on the bracket and avoid The 1 seed until The District Championship game or they could play them in the Sectional Semifinal. The Teams get to choose where they end up unless they are the lowest seed — they go to the only spot left. This keeps manipulation to a minimum because coaches cannot dictate where other teams go on the bracket. In the Southeast they can. And, Sometimes They do.

[Reds Fan]

It is what The Central District does. They do it for the entire Region only in D1 because they have 48 D1 teams and that gets your District 4 District Champions and it simply makes a perfect Regional.

The Central District only gets 1 District Champion in D4 and 2 District Champions in D2 and D3 —- therefore it would be very similar to our numbers here in The Southeast District.

The Central and The East Districts both seed every team in the District regardless of how many District Champions a Division Receives.

The Central and East Districts also differ from The Southeast District on how the teams are placed into The Brackets Teams get to choose where they go on the bracket. In D1 for example if there are 4 District Champions then The Top 4 seeds might all choose to go into different Districts— but they don’t have to. Last year in D2 The Top 3 seeds all chose to go into The same District (actually the 2 followed the 1 and then the 3 followed both the 2 and the 1 into the same district). The 4th seed after seeing them all choose the same District then chose to go into The other District and realized they were the Top seed in that District. This doesn’t happen often but all 3 Top seeds wanted to come to Athens for The Regional instead of going to Dayton as they saw it as the easiest path To The State and 3rd seeded Eastmoor won that District and proceeded to win The Athens Regional.

If there’s only 1 District Champion in the Central or East in a Certain Division (like Central D4 this year) the 1 seed goes on the bracket and if the 2 seed wants they can go on the bracket and avoid The 1 seed until The District Championship game or they could play them in the Sectional Semifinal. The Teams get to choose where they end up unless they are the lowest seed — they go to the only spot left. This keeps manipulation to a minimum because coaches cannot dictate where other teams go on the bracket. In the Southeast they can. And, Sometimes They do.

Thank you! Much appreciated

[LucasDavenport]

1994 was the last year for the draw. We still call it a tournament draw but it hasn’t been a draw since 1994.

It used to be that if 2 teams came out of your sectional then you went to the meeting and voted on the 1 seed and established which team was the 1 seed. Then you voted on the 2 seed and established the 2 seed. Then the other teams coaches “drew” for numbers to see what position they chose to go onto the bracket.

The only rule was that if 2 came out then the 1 and 2 seeds had to go to different sides of the bracket. The 1 seed would try and pick the side which advanced to the District vs the best opponent as the Board published where sectional winners went onto The District bracket. That was the unknown part and The format we use today helps somewhat.

For instance in division 3 there would have been 4 sites. Let’s say Portsmouth, Ironton, Jackson and Waverly. Each site would send 2 winners to the District. So 8 teams go to the districts and D3 had 2 District Champions. The district bracket would be known to all the coaches before the sectional draw. It might look something like this:

District 1: portsmouth 2 vs Jackson 1 and Ironton 1 vs Jackson 2

District 2: Ironton 2 vs Waverly 1 and Portsmouth 1 vs Waverly 2.

So if you were the 1 seed in Portsmouth you would pick your side of the sectional and basically decide to you want to go District 1 or do you want to go to District 2?

The top of your board would be Portsmouth 1 and the bottom would be Portsmouth 2. If you wanted to avoid the Jackson teams you would go on the top and be Portsmouth 1. Then the 2 seed would be forced to go into the bottom of the board and be in Portsmouth 2. The other 4 teams would then go onto the board by what number they drew. So the worst team might draw the 1 and go onto the board before the 3rd best team.

If your sectional was a little bigger and 4 got out then you voted for the top 4 seeds and the rest drew for position. But in the Southeast at that time it was usually divided into smaller Sections and only 1 or 2 would come out of each.

The board didn’t think it was fair that the possibly the 3rd best team would go onto the board last. They also didn’t want the best two teams in the entire district coming out of their sectional and being matched up in the district semis. So they decided to seed every team in the sectional and then they overreached by going to the NCAA format perhaps. It took the unknown out of the draw. Heck, when they decided to seed everyone in the sectional they took the draw out of the draw.

[trojandave]

I, too, would like to see the best teams represent the SE district in the regional, but with favorites losing and underdogs winning, the idea of a super sectional is a good idea, but there will always be some quirky results in tournament play that will throw a wrench into the plan.

[final4]

The real issue is that every district in the state of Ohio does not use the same way of seeding, putting names on the bracket, some neutral site/some homecourt in sectionals, etc. A state tournament should have a certain way that ALL teams proceed through the tournament.

[indianabuck]

Look at it this way, at least you are seeded. In Indiana, sectionals are drawn by ping pong ball. Imagine Fairland and Unioto for a sectional championship and 2 teams with 3 or 4 wins drawing each other with one advancing to the convo. How would everyone feel about that? At least in Ohio it's fair. Indiana, it's not.

[thebarlowbandit]

I, too, would like to see the best teams represent the SE district in the regional, but with favorites losing and underdogs winning, the idea of a super sectional is a good idea, but there will always be some quirky results in tournament play that will throw a wrench into the plan.

If you go by seeds, the higher seeds as selected by the coaches are the ones coming out. Do the math on that.