Logan at Warren

[jacksonfan13]

Warren crushed Logan 63-40.

As a spectator I thought this was a poorly officiated game. But, Logan did not play with the intensity that you normally see and hear about. Warren is in a down year, looked for them to play well but was not expecting them to take a HUGE win like they did this evening. Looks like the Coaching staff at Warren has been working hard with the girls, may be paying off. Will be interesting to see what Jackson does AT Warren and also the 2 games yet to come with Logan.

[Ironman92]

3 of Logan's top players fouled out?

Big shock.

[Pol pot]

3 of Logan's top players fouled out?

Big shock.

Actually 4 starters fouled out and the 5th had 4 fouls and did not play the final quarter and a half.

[Ironman92]

3 of Logan's top players fouled out?

Big shock.

Actually 4 starters fouled out and the 5th had 4 fouls and did not play the final quarter and a half.

Incredibly shocking

[BannersnRafters]

Only 3 players fouled out, Frasure, Davis and Rose, and Mcneal had 4 fouls; I agree the officiating was not world class, but ask any coach and they all have games, usually on the road, where they must overcome refs, fans, etc.; Logan did nothing to help themselves in the game losing their composure multiple times throughout the entire game and their not very deep usually sticking to about a seven man rotation or so; fouls can add up quickly if you play aggressively or begin to lose your composure; many of their girls continued to react to the refs negatively throwing their hands in the air, shouting, kicking opponents, etc. and nothing every good comes out of that; in fact this is nothing new for them, in the Athens game they also had 2 technical fouls called against them and 22 4th qtr. FT attempts, reacting many times in the same manner and losing their composure; make no mistake, Warren executed and played much better than in recent past, they should be given credit for their victory and not have it diminished by cliche fans blaming reffing or some other aspect of the game rather than the players on the court ; call it a hunch, but i bet the fouls situation will be a little (if not alot) different when Warren/Jackson visits Logan, they always are when it comes to home vs. road games....the difference is in how the visiting team reacts to it and can adjust accordingly, aka keep composed.... Logan failed to do so

[Ironman92]

Did Warren have any foul trouble?

[BannersnRafters]

No one had over 3 fouls, but i know that has been a point of contention for the coaching staff recently, playing smart D and not so-called "aggressive" D reaching for ball and being in poor position

[pitt87fan]

The officials are league assigned I believe. If coaches don't like certain ones or crews they have the option to not have them I believe. Officiating in SEO is and has always been interesting at best. I am not in a position to improve it so I just say it is what it is.

[moonshine]

same old recent problems with Logan!!!!!~!

[BannersnRafters]

wasn't trying to stir up anything, Coach Walsh is a very good coach and they're a good team, but have unfortunately had to knock heads with some very good teams in recent years; SEO girls bball has improved overall recently, mainly because several teams (including D3 down) have achieved recent post-season success statewide and opened the eyes of these teams as to the level of play expected and also because of the coaches who know what it takes and expect the same thing

[fortdawg]

Little late to praise a guy after you accuse his team of not having composure and being undisciplined. Has Logan had 3 (really 4) kids foul out any other time this year? Wasn't Jackson forced to play most of it's game at Warren last year with it's Big Two in foul trouble? Looks like there's a pattern developing here. Has Warren had 4 kids foul out at Logan while Coach Walsh has been there?

[noreply66]

Seems like the refs at the Logan games...boys or girls call more on Logan

[Ironman92]

Seems like the refs at the Logan games...boys or girls call more on Logan

I can't comment on that as I only see Jackson games there and the girls games seem to have 1 of 2 officials that just kill us whenever we have them.

[BannersnRafters]

not accusing anyone of anything, or backtracking; merely stating what ive seen so far; FAN-short for FANATIC, most aren't exactly objective or reallisitic when it comes to analyzing their respective teams many times; blaming refs as the sole reason is old and a "knee-jerk" reaction by emotionally charged fans; all teams deal with adversity and it's how they deal with it is all i was pointing out; these upcoming games will likely have completely different feels and possibly outcomes based on location, refs, crowd, etc. and how those visiting teams handle those things; we could argue for days on what star player(s) and teams got into foul trouble and why they lost or not; it's the beauty of team sports and competition, all points which are arguable at best depending upon the perspective your looking at things from is all, personally i wish the best for all SEOAL teams in girls bball once tourney time rolls around, i'm partial to Warren obviously but i'm tired of the West Holmes and others in the state getting all the glory, success breeds success as they say, hopefully sooner than later an SEOAL team can break thru that Sweet 16/ Elite 8 barrier and really make same noise statewide, it's really something to see a team and their fans and community follow them all that way on the tournament trail

[moonshine]

A famous coach once said "Excuses are for losers"

[Pol pot]

not accusing anyone of anything, or backtracking; merely stating what ive seen so far; FAN-short for FANATIC, most aren't exactly objective or reallisitic when it comes to analyzing their respective teams many times; blaming refs as the sole reason is old and a "knee-jerk" reaction by emotionally charged fans; all teams deal with adversity and it's how they deal with it is all i was pointing out; these upcoming games will likely have completely different feels and possibly outcomes based on location, refs, crowd, etc. and how those visiting teams handle those things; we could argue for days on what star player(s) and teams got into foul trouble and why they lost or not; it's the beauty of team sports and competition, all points which are arguable at best depending upon the perspective your looking at things from is all, personally i wish the best for all SEOAL teams in girls bball once tourney time rolls around, i'm partial to Warren obviously but i'm tired of the West Holmes and others in the state getting all the glory, success breeds success as they say, hopefully sooner than later an SEOAL team can break thru that Sweet 16/ Elite 8 barrier and really make same noise statewide, it's really something to see a team and their fans and community follow them all that way on the tournament trail

No one is disagreeing with you that teams must handle a little adversitity. However you are refusing to admitt one or two deliberate or well placed whistles can and does effect the course and flow of the game. The closest you come to admitting this is through deflection by inferring that Jackson and Logan cheat worse than Warren.

[BannersnRafters]

i agree that a whistle can change the flow a bit, but good teams overcome that or don't even allow that to become a factor in the first place; i didn't infer or deflect anything, especially regarding ur Jackson/Logan "cheating" comment polpot, that would be ur own interpretation and jumping to a conclusion; i stated that games home vs. away take on drastically different feels and outcomes at every level and that more times than not it's the visiting team, especially if they lose, immediately blaming refs as the culprits and that it's old and very cliche to do instead of looking at the game objectively overall; in other words, ANY visiting SEOAL team ANYWHERE has a harder fight on their hands, that's why they call it "HOME COURT ADVANTAGE"

Shine-u said it better, lol

[Pol pot]

Good defense is good defense, it's not any harder to play on the road, neutral court or at home. It's how some places change the rules that make that harder. Not many, only a few around that still enjoy this practice.

[pitt87fan]

Good defense is good defense, it's not any harder to play on the road, neutral court or at home. It's how some places change the rules that make that harder. Not many, only a few around that still enjoy this practice.

I think it is more the group of officials that seem to have it out for certain teams. Ask the Jackson faithful and coaches about a certain pair of officials they have and always seem to be struggling with fouls.

I do know certain officials are known for calling it certain ways. One group will let you mug each other and then I know another group that will test your bench. My favorites are the ones that need to blow the whistle every so often to be able to keep up.

[BannersnRafters]

i have a pretty good idea of which "Jackson crew" ur talking about, i just think a lot of times too that teams/fans psychologically are out of it before the tip based on the crew and therefore aid refs in making calls many times unknowingly by their responses to previous calls; all because "the seed was planted" in their heads before the game ever started; yes refs do have tendencies to call games certain ways but the coaches/teams know that going into them, its their job to adjust to that; ref calls are nothing more than judgments made at high speeds, that's why they're the most scrutinized part of sports, everyone's got their own judgment/opinions; unfortunately, there's not much we can do for the "look at me" ref or the "i need a break" ref that you referred to pittfan, i guess a little luck wouldn't hurt haha!