Southeast District - Tournament Seeding/Brackets (Updated)

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Southeast District - Tournament Seeding/Brackets (Updated)

Post by Tri-StateYouthSports » Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:46 pm

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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by TAR HEEL FAN 44 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:36 pm

How did Wheelersburg girls get a #2 seed?? Should be a great District final between Lynchburg vs Wheelersburg if they both get there.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by Tri-StateYouthSports » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:23 pm

Some of the coaches ballots are a joke. Maybe if the District posted them, the antics would stop.

Some districts drop the high and low score. I am almost certain that the SE District does not.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by ndc soccer » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:31 pm

TAR HEEL FAN 44 wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:36 pm
How did Wheelersburg girls get a #2 seed?? Should be a great District final between Lynchburg vs Wheelersburg if they both get there.
I would say since Alexander beat them 4-1, that would be a factor why. I would also say schedule. Alexander plays a lot of D2 teams.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by stacey7722 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:34 pm

TAR HEEL FAN 44 wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:36 pm
How did Wheelersburg girls get a #2 seed?? Should be a great District final between Lynchburg vs Wheelersburg if they both get there.
Wheelersburg gets #2 seed and ends up in the same bracket with the overall #1 Lynchburg? The best two seed by bracket seedings should go away from the overall #1 seed. What is the advantage of being the over all #1 if you are going to load their bracket with the best #2 and #3 seeds? So Wheelersburg loses the #1 seed because they lost to Alexander, and then Alexander is rewarded after losing to Lynchburg? Nice draw for Alexander I guess. In the end, you have to win on the field and have to play the best to get to where you want to go, but hey what do I know...



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by rxburgfan » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:40 pm

There should not be an East and west. Simply seed entire district. But I’m sure travel plays into this.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by BallDontLie » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:18 pm

Do coaches submit their voting by midnight on Friday before the selection instead of Saturday? If so that could explain Alexander being #1 instead of #2 because their loss to LC might not have been apart of the ballot information.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by BananaSC74 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:20 pm

This year’s seeding for boys D3 is tough. Years past it was easier for higher seeds to win sectional titles now it’s way tougher. The sectional finals are potential 2 and 3 seed shootouts whereas in the past it has been a 2 vs a 7 or 3 vs a 6.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by Falcon01 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:12 am

BallDontLie wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:18 pm
Do coaches submit their voting by midnight on Friday before the selection instead of Saturday? If so that could explain Alexander being #1 instead of #2 because their loss to LC might not have been apart of the ballot information.
They had to be submitted by last Wednesday I believe



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by 4thgoal » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:19 am

stacey7722 wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:34 pm
TAR HEEL FAN 44 wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:36 pm
How did Wheelersburg girls get a #2 seed?? Should be a great District final between Lynchburg vs Wheelersburg if they both get there.
Wheelersburg gets #2 seed and ends up in the same bracket with the overall #1 Lynchburg? The best two seed by bracket seedings should go away from the overall #1 seed. What is the advantage of being the over all #1 if you are going to load their bracket with the best #2 and #3 seeds? So Wheelersburg loses the #1 seed because they lost to Alexander, and then Alexander is rewarded after losing to Lynchburg? Nice draw for Alexander I guess. In the end, you have to win on the field and have to play the best to get to where you want to go, but hey what do I know...
Agree you have to beat everyone to get where you want, but there is no overall 1 seed. There is a 1 seed in each sectional.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by danicalifornia » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:44 am

Just looking at a couple of things that could be considered

Alexander (9-3-1) with an adjusted opponent record of 93-55-16 and a 4-1 win is over Wheelersburg and 1-1 against D3 opponents

Wheelersburg (13-1) with an adjusted opponent record of 67-73-9, with a 4-1 loss to Alexander and 8-1 against D3 opponents

I don’t really see the argument for Wheelersburg, who played a much weaker schedule and lost the head-to-head matchup. But, I guess people have to complain about everything nowadays.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by smurray » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:00 pm

danicalifornia wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:44 am
Just looking at a couple of things that could be considered

Alexander (9-3-1) with an adjusted opponent record of 93-55-16 and a 4-1 win is over Wheelersburg and 1-1 against D3 opponents

Wheelersburg (13-1) with an adjusted opponent record of 67-73-9, with a 4-1 loss to Alexander and 8-1 against D3 opponents

I don’t really see the argument for Wheelersburg, who played a much weaker schedule and lost the head-to-head matchup. But, I guess people have to complain about everything nowadays.
Pretty much answers the question...



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by 4thgoal » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:11 pm

While I agree that Alexander plays a tough conference schedule against a lot of D2 teams, you also have consider the 10 wins you didn’t include by Russell KY, who Burg defeated, who is playing in their district final later this week. The Maher rankings reflects the strength of schedule difference in the far right column.
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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by rxburgfan » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:14 pm

4thgoal wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:11 pm
While I agree that Alexander plus a tough conference schedule against a lot of D2 teams, you also have consider the 10 wins you didn’t include by Russell KY, who Burg defeated, who is playing in their district final later this week. The Maher rankings reflects the strength of schedule difference in the far right column.
Oh please 4th don’t mix in too much it will cause confusion. The seeding process far more reflective of “how it really should be”..... :shock:



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by stacey7722 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:27 pm

TAR HEEL FAN 44 wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:36 pm
How did Wheelersburg girls get a #2 seed?? Should be a great District final between Lynchburg vs Wheelersburg if they both get there.
I agree the Wheelersburg vs. LC would be a terrific District final. Having said that, those two teams have butted heads for the District title how many years in a row now? Both top programs that in my humble opinion I think would walk through the lower part of the bracket. Alexanders only real competition will be North Adams or Eastern Brown which Lynchburg Clay defeated both by more than 4 goals and shut it down at half time. Wouldn't it be nice to put LC and Wheelersburg in opposite brackets and let them both get a chance at a District title and then match up in Regionals? I get that Alexander defeated Wheelersburg and that should count for something, maybe a lot. But they are going to be a 9-4-2 one seed in what appears to be a favorable bracket. Please don't @ me. I am not saying any of these teams are not talented and cant compete. It would just be nice to play other team and mix it up a bit. They are all talented and well coached and deserve to get what they got. There are a lot of quality squads in our district and a lot of teams with 9 plus wins. As an LC guy I am just tired of playing Wheelersburg every year, I just cant take the stress of it. lol and after all that Wheelersburg has accomplished over the past three years shouldn't they get a chance not to see LC in the Districts? Entire comment meant to be good and positive. Please no one be offended if I have not worded my expressions correctly, I know you all can be tough! lol Thoughts?



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by rxburgfan » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:55 pm

stacey7722 wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:27 pm
TAR HEEL FAN 44 wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:36 pm
How did Wheelersburg girls get a #2 seed?? Should be a great District final between Lynchburg vs Wheelersburg if they both get there.
I agree the Wheelersburg vs. LC would be a terrific District final. Having said that, those two teams have butted heads for the District title how many years in a row now? Both top programs that in my humble opinion I think would walk through the lower part of the bracket. Alexanders only real competition will be North Adams or Eastern Brown which Lynchburg Clay defeated both by more than 4 goals and shut it down at half time. Wouldn't it be nice to put LC and Wheelersburg in opposite brackets and let them both get a chance at a District title and then match up in Regionals? I get that Alexander defeated Wheelersburg and that should count for something, maybe a lot. But they are going to be a 9-4-2 one seed in what appears to be a favorable bracket. Please don't @ me. I am not saying any of these teams are not talented and cant compete. It would just be nice to play other team and mix it up a bit. They are all talented and well coached and deserve to get what they got. There are a lot of quality squads in our district and a lot of teams with 9 plus wins. As an LC guy I am just tired of playing Wheelersburg every year, I just cant take the stress of it. lol and after all that Wheelersburg has accomplished over the past three years shouldn't they get a chance not to see LC in the Districts? Entire comment meant to be good and positive. Please no one be offended if I have not worded my expressions correctly, I know you all can be tough! lol Thoughts?
Well said. Seeding always an issue.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by mattash » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:44 am

Just curious on how rock Hill was seeded lower than northwest



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by BananaSC74 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:22 am

On the boys side of things.. why are South Webster, NA and Lynchburg on the same side of the bracket? I believe these are the top 3 teams in the southeast D3 and idk how they all ended up close together



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by BananaSC74 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:26 am

Also on the boys side... which 2 seed was Northwest ranked above???? They are not stronger than Lynchburg and their record is worse than rock hill. I am so confused on how they got a 1 seed



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by rxburgfan » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:14 am

At times block voting can drive teams seeding. The seeding process very subjective. Thats usually how this happens.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by Tower » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:42 am

BananaSC74 wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:26 am
Also on the boys side... which 2 seed was Northwest ranked above???? They are not stronger than Lynchburg and their record is worse than rock hill. I am so confused on how they got a 1 seed
Northwest is ranked above Lynchburg Clay in seeding. Rock Hill is in the East. Why do you think they are not stronger than Lynchburg? I believe they are as strong if not stronger. At time of seeding they had same record. One common opponent at time of seeding was North Adams, both teams played away. NW won 3-0 & Lynchburg won 4-2. As far as record goes, NW 13-3 and Lynchburg 11-3-2. As far as seeding goes, I feel probably the most accurate I've seen in long time.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by Soccer » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:14 am

BananaSC74 wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:26 am
Also on the boys side... which 2 seed was Northwest ranked above???? They are not stronger than Lynchburg and their record is worse than rock hill. I am so confused on how they got a 1 seed
I believe rock hills strength of schedule came in to play. But in saying that so should have Northwest lack of strength of schedule.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by 4thgoal » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:16 pm

mattash wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:44 am
Just curious on how rock Hill was seeded lower than northwest
There is an east and west sectional. Rock Hill is in the east and Northwest is in the west.



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by BananaSC74 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:34 pm

Tower wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:42 am
BananaSC74 wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:26 am
Also on the boys side... which 2 seed was Northwest ranked above???? They are not stronger than Lynchburg and their record is worse than rock hill. I am so confused on how they got a 1 seed
Northwest is ranked above Lynchburg Clay in seeding. Rock Hill is in the East. Why do you think they are not stronger than Lynchburg? I believe they are as strong if not stronger. At time of seeding they had same record. One common opponent at time of seeding was North Adams, both teams played away. NW won 3-0 & Lynchburg won 4-2. As far as record goes, NW 13-3 and Lynchburg 11-3-2. As far as seeding goes, I feel probably the most accurate I've seen in long time.
I didn’t mean my post to be a knock on Northwest. I just think comparing them and Lynchburg takes a deeper look. Lynchburg played a much tougher schedule in terms of opponent quality (Wilmington, Alexander, Xenia, Hillsboro, etc.). If two teams have a similar record then I feel like strength of schedule should be a factor.

Now what you mentioned with NA is tough as well, because while Northwest beat NA 3-0, NA went on to beat minford 3-0 and tie burg; both teams who beat Northwest this year so I don’t think that can be considered too strongly. I just feel that if a team takes the effort to play D1 schools (such as Xenia or Wilmington) that should be taken into account.

(This coming from someone not from Lynchburg Clay lol)



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Re: Southeast District - Tournament Seeding

Post by danicalifornia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:39 pm

Lynchburg’s 3 losses are to bigger SW district schools, including 13-0-1 Western Brown.

Maybe next year they should just schedule cupcakes in their non conference instead of challenging themselves and they’ll come into the tournament undefeated.



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