Pitch Count Is Here!!!

[Rufus]

I don't think the problem will be keeping a pitcher under 125...Almost every coach keeps it to around 100 anyway. I think the problem ensues when you had a player throw 76 pitches on Monday and they are done until Friday. Even if you need one inning from him on Thursday. Hopefully the coach would know to get him out of the game at 74 pitches on Monday, but it's just something that will have to be thought about.

[baseball16]

My take is this,, No kid should throw 125 pitches!
2nd , if a kid throws 90 pitches on Wednesday he is done basically for 4 days. Thurs. , Fri, Sat, Sun.(NO GAME). My player that throws on Wed. always throws a bullpen on Saturday. In the past, it may have been an inning to close a game. Now it will just be in the bullpen.
3rd, DH's are going to be hard!! Games are going to be long! Scores are going to be High!! Many teams will just be throwing Johnny Wholestaff at each other making for some very Hard to play and Umpire Games!!!

[Ironman92]

I prefer the 10 every 3 days.

What pitchers have lost out on a collegiate career due to overuse in high school?

[mattash]

Honor system?

[PVCGuru]

I prefer the 10 every 3 days.

What pitchers have lost out on a collegiate career due to overuse in high school?

You're OK with this:???

Monday 3 innings 46 pitches
Tuesday 3 innings 56 pitches
Wednesday 3 innings 55 pitches
Thursday 3 innings 40 pitches
Friday 3 innings 66 pitches
Saturday 3 innings 60 pitches

[tvc_fan]

I prefer the 10 every 3 days.

What pitchers have lost out on a collegiate career due to overuse in high school?

You're OK with this:???

Monday 3 innings 46 pitches
Tuesday 3 innings 56 pitches
Wednesday 3 innings 55 pitches
Thursday 3 innings 40 pitches
Friday 3 innings 66 pitches
Saturday 3 innings 60 pitches

From my understanding, wouldn't it be like this:

Monday 46 pitches
Tuesday Sit Out Day
Wednesday 55 pitches
Thursday Sit Out Day
Friday Sit Out Day
Saturday 60 pitches.

Total Pitches for week 161

I may be wrong.

[PVCGuru]

I prefer the 10 every 3 days.

What pitchers have lost out on a collegiate career due to overuse in high school?

You're OK with this:???

Monday 3 innings 46 pitches
Tuesday 3 innings 56 pitches
Wednesday 3 innings 55 pitches
Thursday 3 innings 40 pitches
Friday 3 innings 66 pitches
Saturday 3 innings 60 pitches

From my understanding, wouldn't it be like this:

Monday 46 pitches
Tuesday Sit Out Day
Wednesday 55 pitches
Thursday Sit Out Day
Friday Sit Out Day
Saturday 60 pitches.

Total Pitches for week 161

I may be wrong.

Under the new rules yes. Before this under the 10 innings in 3 days you could do what I posted.

[Firebreather]

You could but that kid would get shelled! Educated coaches is the answer. You can abuse any system you put in. Some arms (along with proper technique) handle 30 pitches better than others. I throw thirty today and I cant brush my teeth in the morning! lol! If a kid throws 120 pitches on Monday and catches on Tuesday you are not helping him!

[Ironman92]

I prefer the 10 every 3 days.

What pitchers have lost out on a collegiate career due to overuse in high school?

You're OK with this:???

Monday 3 innings 46 pitches
Tuesday 3 innings 56 pitches
Wednesday 3 innings 55 pitches
Thursday 3 innings 40 pitches
Friday 3 innings 66 pitches
Saturday 3 innings 60 pitches

Yes!!!! Yes I would because no one does that!!!!!!

WOULD YOU BE OK WITH THIS?!?!

April 3rd 30 pitches
April 4th 30 pitches
April 5th 30 pitches
April 6th 30 pitches
April 7th 30 pitches
April 8th 30 pitches
April 10th 30 pitches
April 11th 30 pitches
April 12th 30 pitches
April 13th 30 pitches
April 14th 30 pitches
April 15th 30 pitches
April 17th 30 pitches
April 18th 30 pitches
April 19th 30 pitches
April 20th 30 pitches
April 21st 30 pitches
April 22nd 30 pitches
April 24th 30 pitches
April 25th 30 pitches
April 26th 30 pitches
April 27th 30 pitches
April 28th 30 pitches

I can't believe you want to hurt a kid's arm!!!!!

[PVCGuru]

If you are trying to protect a kid's arm, innings isn't the way to do it, period.

30 pitches everyday is better than 3 innings everyday if you are looking at worst case scenarios. How can you argue otherwise?

[Ironman92]

If you are trying to protect a kid's arm, innings isn't the way to do it, period.

30 pitches everyday is better than 3 innings everyday if you are looking at worst case scenarios. How can you argue otherwise?

Because both are ridiculous scenarios for each set of rules that literally no one does.

Again, someone list me all the collegiate potential high school pitchers who never got the fair chance due to coaches abusing the 10 inn per 3 day rule.

[Abe Froman]

None of this pitch count will even effect the post season.

You need a #1 and a #2 because once post season starts there is 5-7 days between sectionals, districts, regional and state.

This pitch count is ehh about the same thing as the inning rule more or less. I see it impacting the regular season more since every team will go through a stretch or two where they will play 4-5 consecutive days or 3 days a week and a DH weekend. When this happens you will need a lot of arms with the new pitch count.

[Abe Froman]

If you are trying to protect a kid's arm, innings isn't the way to do it, period.

30 pitches everyday is better than 3 innings everyday if you are looking at worst case scenarios. How can you argue otherwise?

Because both are ridiculous scenarios for each set of rules that literally no one does.

Again, someone list me all the collegiate potential high school pitchers who never got the fair chance due to coaches abusing the 10 inn per 3 day rule.

Ironman92, if you do not think the arm injury among High School & Collegiate aged kids has increased exponentially above 10 years ago then my friend you haven't watched the news. Is is because of HS...ehhh...is it because of the rapid increase in popularity of travel/summer ball...ehhh probably more so...but there is a definite correlation between youth arm/shoulder injuries and number of pitches thrown whether it is HS or travel ball or a combination thereof.

OHSAA is probably doing the prudent thing here. Same thing as stepping in with a lot more emphasis on concussion protocol. They are looking at information and trying to do the right thing. With all of OHSAA's shortcomings this is probably not a bad idea.

[Ironman92]

If you are trying to protect a kid's arm, innings isn't the way to do it, period.

30 pitches everyday is better than 3 innings everyday if you are looking at worst case scenarios. How can you argue otherwise?

Because both are ridiculous scenarios for each set of rules that literally no one does.

Again, someone list me all the collegiate potential high school pitchers who never got the fair chance due to coaches abusing the 10 inn per 3 day rule.

Ironman92, if you do not think the arm injury among High School & Collegiate aged kids has increased exponentially above 10 years ago then my friend you haven't watched the news. Is is because of HS...ehhh...is it because of the rapid increase in popularity of travel/summer ball...ehhh probably more so...but there is a definite correlation between youth arm/shoulder injuries and number of pitches thrown whether it is HS or travel ball or a combination thereof.

OHSAA is probably doing the prudent thing here. Same thing as stepping in with a lot more emphasis on concussion protocol. They are looking at information and trying to do the right thing. With all of OHSAA's shortcomings this is probably not a bad idea.

What are the pitching limits in travel ball? If it's increased so much then it should be easy to name a dozen or so kids it affected and kept them from having a collegiate career.

Also, as firebreather noted...that kid's other position better not be catcher.

Teaching kids how to pitch without maximum velocity on their fastball would help too.

Anyone know the pitching limitations in high school back in the early 90's?

[Abe Froman]

What are the pitching limits in travel ball? If it's increased so much then it should be easy to name a dozen or so kids it affected and kept them from having a collegiate career.

Also, as firebreather noted...that kid's other position better not be catcher.

Teaching kids how to pitch without maximum velocity on their fastball would help too.

Anyone know the pitching limitations in high school back in the early 90's?

You seriously can't be arguing that there are not more arm injuries now than there were 10-15 years ago are you?

Is that what you are saying?

Why would you not throw you fastball with maximum velocity?

[Abe Froman]

One of about 10,000 articles readily available to anyone with internet access:

It's estimated that there are over 6 million youth and adolescent baseball players in the United States. Studies of American youth and high school baseball players have found an incidence of elbow pain of 26% among youth players and 58% among high school players. The incidence of shoulder pain was found to be 29% to 35%. This represents a significant number of shoulder and elbow throwing injuries. These injuries are on the rise in the U.S. and Dr. James Andrews has described this as an epidemic. He reported an alarming sequential increase in the number of Ulnar Collateral Ligament reconstructions (Tommy John surgery) in high school versus college or professional pitchers over three consecutive four-year periods.

Percent of High School Pitchers undergoing Tommy John Surgery:

1995-1998: 8%

1999-2002: 17%

2003-2006: 24%

The increasing rate of shoulder and elbow injuries is related to how much athletes are throwing. USA Baseball and Little League Baseball now have rules designed to help protect athletes from these injuries. Adhering to these pitch counts is a priority in avoiding injury. For those playing on more than one team, the pitch counts are the total for all teams.

[Abe Froman]

And the above study only showing data through 2006.

[petesweaty]

Also, it seems every doctor finds something wrong with the kid. Parents run their kid to the doctor today if there is any soreness in the arm. The doctor will find something to rehab. If you pitch, you are going to have some soreness or stiffness.

[PVCGuru]

Pitching limits in travel ball depends on the league/tournament but they are there. They aren't good enough in most cases IMO, but they are there.

The more research is done, the more that it points to overuse, not breaking balls as the primary cause for injuries.

Must be nice to live in Jackson where there has never been a coach abuse a kid's arm. It happens all the time. High school coaches are under serious pressure to win and sometimes that means short term team success over what's best for the kid

[Ironman92]

What are the pitching limits in travel ball? If it's increased so much then it should be easy to name a dozen or so kids it affected and kept them from having a collegiate career.

Also, as firebreather noted...that kid's other position better not be catcher.

Teaching kids how to pitch without maximum velocity on their fastball would help too.

Anyone know the pitching limitations in high school back in the early 90's?

You seriously can't be arguing that there are not more arm injuries now than there were 10-15 years ago are you?

Is that what you are saying?

Why would you not throw you fastball with maximum velocity?

Because location is far more important and a pitcher who throws 82 mph will have better location throwing 77-79 mph

Never said there aren't more arm injuries. The data is fine. List me 3 names in the last decade from the SE district and I'll go away.

What is your thoughts on these pitchers that also get time at the catching position?