DII Southeast District

[enigmaax]

Anyone know the reasoning behind throwing out a teams highest vote - and lowest?

To eliminate the chance of a singular bias (either way) skewing the rankings. If a couple teams are close in the rankings, a coach could essentially pick their opponent (or help their own team) by voting themselves or either of the potential opponents way higher or way lower than what the other coaches are doing.

[Abe Froman]

Someone explain to me in simple terms I can understand why in the heck is it so hard to take the nonsense out of this seeding selection method and apply non-subjective math to this process.

Something like the Harbin system in Football. Different points for beating teams of differing divisions, use a divisor to adjust for the different amount of games played since there can be 3-4 games or more difference in how many games each teams play.

Have the SEDAB or similar OHSAA organization keep track of this in a simple excel spreadsheet and rank them 1-9 or 1-10 or whatever it is for each division in each sectional.

It's 2019 people this shouldn't be this hard, and we all know that allegiances within each grouping affect the seeds. Yeah, yeah I know you got beat em all at some point but getting the seeds correct in an objective manner to start with can't be that hard can it?

Someone said the voting was due early this week and the results are posted Sunday? So how many games this week weren't even considered? No reason to not count every game played through Saturday, input the results, hit enter on your spreadsheet and post the seedings in 5 minutes. Yet we continue this 5-7 day process? I don't get it, seems crazy to me.

[93Bulldog]

Someone explain to me in simple terms I can understand why in the heck is it so hard to take the nonsense out of this seeding selection method and apply non-subjective math to this process.

Something like the Harbin system in Football. Different points for beating teams of differing divisions, use a divisor to adjust for the different amount of games played since there can be 3-4 games or more difference in how many games each teams play.

Have the SEDAB or similar OHSAA organization keep track of this in a simple excel spreadsheet and rank them 1-9 or 1-10 or whatever it is for each division in each sectional.

It's 2019 people this shouldn't be this hard, and we all know that allegiances within each grouping affect the seeds. Yeah, yeah I know you got beat em all at some point but getting the seeds correct in an objective manner to start with can't be that hard can it?

Someone said the voting was due early this week and the results are posted Sunday? So how many games this week weren't even considered? No reason to not count every game played through Saturday, input the results, hit enter on your spreadsheet and post the seedings in 5 minutes. Yet we continue this 5-7 day process? I don't get it, seems crazy to me.

+1000

[bunt pirate]

Someone explain to me in simple terms I can understand why in the heck is it so hard to take the nonsense out of this seeding selection method and apply non-subjective math to this process.

Something like the Harbin system in Football. Different points for beating teams of differing divisions, use a divisor to adjust for the different amount of games played since there can be 3-4 games or more difference in how many games each teams play.

Have the SEDAB or similar OHSAA organization keep track of this in a simple excel spreadsheet and rank them 1-9 or 1-10 or whatever it is for each division in each sectional.

It's 2019 people this shouldn't be this hard, and we all know that allegiances within each grouping affect the seeds. Yeah, yeah I know you got beat em all at some point but getting the seeds correct in an objective manner to start with can't be that hard can it?

Someone said the voting was due early this week and the results are posted Sunday? So how many games this week weren't even considered? No reason to not count every game played through Saturday, input the results, hit enter on your spreadsheet and post the seedings in 5 minutes. Yet we continue this 5-7 day process? I don't get it, seems crazy to me.

I agree with you that it would make it simple, and with the added week to the season this year it makes even more sense. The only issue IMO would be that evaluating a baseball team is different than any other sport out there. Some teams look legit when #1 is on the hill, but blend in with the rest when #2-4 is out there. I understand you’ll need more than one pitcher to move along in the postseason, but depending on how teams go about the pitch count in the regular season could really effect their competitiveness each night. Some coaches try to use a guy a few times a week while others use more of a “major league” rotation that won’t be necessary come postseason. Not saying it wouldn’t work to use the computer based system, just something I thought could be a potential issue with evaluating a team for a “one & done” game. However, this system would seem to work perfectly for softball where the main throwers are on the mound the majority of their games. Just my two cents worth.

[Pa Trojan]

Managers would need to and would in the end adapt to the system, one thing for sure, the current system is a mess

[Trevorstephens22]

Bracket: https://ohsaa.org/Portals/0/DAB/SouthEa ... 7084050127

[93Bulldog]

Cant complain with the No. 2 seed.

All Athens games will be broadcasted live at 970wath and online at 970wath.com.

[93Bulldog]

Tonight was just a glimpse of what were about to encounter once the tournament gets underway next week.

Athens - 1
Marietta- 0

8 innings

[Robo]

The problem with SE district is ncaa seeding on the bracket They need to seed the whole Division than the seeded can put itself anywhere on the bracket. Central District, SW district does this but the SE district refuses to do this.

[Ironman92]

The problem with SE district is ncaa seeding on the bracket They need to seed the whole Division than the seeded can put itself anywhere on the bracket. Central District, SW district does this but the SE district refuses to do this.

And basically same for every SE district sport

It needs to end

[Treyman3]

The problem with SE district is ncaa seeding on the bracket They need to seed the whole Division than the seeded can put itself anywhere on the bracket. Central District, SW district does this but the SE district refuses to do this.

Agree 100%, nothing wrong with coaches voting. Computer point system to determine seeds certainly isn't the answer, especially in baseball where everyone plays different teams, different leagues.

Absolutely no reason there for 2 small sectionals in the Southeast. They "claim" its because of travel, but they have different teams in the 2 sectionals for baseball and basketball, what sense does that make? Whoever runs the SE refuses to look at it or do anything about it. Kinda like setting up District baseball games 2 hours apart, they know it's impossible to do that, but do it every year.

Allowing teams to place themselves on the bracket would also take care of a lot of the politics involved in the voting process.

[danicalifornia]

The problem with SE district is ncaa seeding on the bracket They need to seed the whole Division than the seeded can put itself anywhere on the bracket. Central District, SW district does this but the SE district refuses to do this.

Agree 100%, nothing wrong with coaches voting. Computer point system to determine seeds certainly isn't the answer, especially in baseball where everyone plays different teams, different leagues.

Absolutely no reason there for 2 small sectionals in the Southeast. They "claim" its because of travel, but they have different teams in the 2 sectionals for baseball and basketball, what sense does that make? Whoever runs the SE refuses to look at it or do anything about it. Kinda like setting up District baseball games 2 hours apart, they know it's impossible to do that, but do it every year.

Allowing teams to place themselves on the bracket would also take care of a lot of the politics involved in the voting process.

Yep, we can’t do a super sectional, but could have McClain at Sheridan or Marietta/Warren at Unioto on school nights. Makes sense.

[Pol pot]

Someone explain to me in simple terms I can understand why in the heck is it so hard to take the nonsense out of this seeding selection method and apply non-subjective math to this process.

Something like the Harbin system in Football. Different points for beating teams of differing divisions, use a divisor to adjust for the different amount of games played since there can be 3-4 games or more difference in how many games each teams play.

Have the SEDAB or similar OHSAA organization keep track of this in a simple excel spreadsheet and rank them 1-9 or 1-10 or whatever it is for each division in each sectional.

It's 2019 people this shouldn't be this hard, and we all know that allegiances within each grouping affect the seeds. Yeah, yeah I know you got beat em all at some point but getting the seeds correct in an objective manner to start with can't be that hard can it?

Someone said the voting was due early this week and the results are posted Sunday? So how many games this week weren't even considered? No reason to not count every game played through Saturday, input the results, hit enter on your spreadsheet and post the seedings in 5 minutes. Yet we continue this 5-7 day process? I don't get it, seems crazy to me.

Oh, it could be done. But ask Joe Eitel how much work it is keeping track of a sport that plays only 10 games and for the most part 80% on one night with schedules that are set a year out. Now, track a sport like baseball where games change daily, and each team will play 4-5 games a week.

[Abe Froman]

Someone explain to me in simple terms I can understand why in the heck is it so hard to take the nonsense out of this seeding selection method and apply non-subjective math to this process.

Something like the Harbin system in Football. Different points for beating teams of differing divisions, use a divisor to adjust for the different amount of games played since there can be 3-4 games or more difference in how many games each teams play.

Have the SEDAB or similar OHSAA organization keep track of this in a simple excel spreadsheet and rank them 1-9 or 1-10 or whatever it is for each division in each sectional.

It's 2019 people this shouldn't be this hard, and we all know that allegiances within each grouping affect the seeds. Yeah, yeah I know you got beat em all at some point but getting the seeds correct in an objective manner to start with can't be that hard can it?

Someone said the voting was due early this week and the results are posted Sunday? So how many games this week weren't even considered? No reason to not count every game played through Saturday, input the results, hit enter on your spreadsheet and post the seedings in 5 minutes. Yet we continue this 5-7 day process? I don't get it, seems crazy to me.

Oh, it could be done. But ask Joe Eitel how much work it is keeping track of a sport that plays only 10 games and for the most part 80% on one night with schedules that are set a year out. Now, track a sport like baseball where games change daily, and each team will play 4-5 games a week.

Number of games played and calculating a "point" total is irrelevant to a computer. Having the correct information to calculate is the issue.

OHSAA just recently announced that GameChanger is the app that will now be used to collect information on the pitch count. So every pitcher on every High School team will now have the number of pitches they threw collected by this app. Seems pretty simple to me that in addition to uploading the number of pitches that 2,000 kids in Ohio throw every day/week you just add the ability to report the score of the game as well. The GC app is unreal with capability.

If you using it to keep track of every pitcher use it to track a schools record as well, download each HS record to excel and a pivot table, insert formula for points both primary and secondary or whatever the calculation methodology is, adjust by a divisor for games played against the maximum allowed, and then post it online middle of the week before play-offs so every coach or district manager can verify their record is accurate and boom.

Can't approach this like a 50-year old with a pen, paper, and Texas Instrument calculator. Use an app for data collection, convert the data, insert it, and look at results. Give the problem to a 24-year old Computer Science grad that loves sports and stats and it will be done tomorrow. No need to act like this is some technology mountain that can't be climbed.

[Omega]

Excel, databases, pivot tables, macros, oh my!

Mr. Froman, what you suggest is too obvious but those words brought back fond memories of my working career.

[Pol pot]

Someone explain to me in simple terms I can understand why in the heck is it so hard to take the nonsense out of this seeding selection method and apply non-subjective math to this process.

Something like the Harbin system in Football. Different points for beating teams of differing divisions, use a divisor to adjust for the different amount of games played since there can be 3-4 games or more difference in how many games each teams play.

Have the SEDAB or similar OHSAA organization keep track of this in a simple excel spreadsheet and rank them 1-9 or 1-10 or whatever it is for each division in each sectional.

It's 2019 people this shouldn't be this hard, and we all know that allegiances within each grouping affect the seeds. Yeah, yeah I know you got beat em all at some point but getting the seeds correct in an objective manner to start with can't be that hard can it?

Someone said the voting was due early this week and the results are posted Sunday? So how many games this week weren't even considered? No reason to not count every game played through Saturday, input the results, hit enter on your spreadsheet and post the seedings in 5 minutes. Yet we continue this 5-7 day process? I don't get it, seems crazy to me.

Oh, it could be done. But ask Joe Eitel how much work it is keeping track of a sport that plays only 10 games and for the most part 80% on one night with schedules that are set a year out. Now, track a sport like baseball where games change daily, and each team will play 4-5 games a week.

Number of games played and calculating a "point" total is irrelevant to a computer. Having the correct information to calculate is the issue.

OHSAA just recently announced that GameChanger is the app that will now be used to collect information on the pitch count. So every pitcher on every High School team will now have the number of pitches they threw collected by this app. Seems pretty simple to me that in addition to uploading the number of pitches that 2,000 kids in Ohio throw every day/week you just add the ability to report the score of the game as well. The GC app is unreal with capability.

If you using it to keep track of every pitcher use it to track a schools record as well, download each HS record to excel and a pivot table, insert formula for points both primary and secondary or whatever the calculation methodology is, adjust by a divisor for games played against the maximum allowed, and then post it online middle of the week before play-offs so every coach or district manager can verify their record is accurate and boom.

Can't approach this like a 50-year old with a pen, paper, and Texas Instrument calculator. Use an app for data collection, convert the data, insert it, and look at results. Give the problem to a 24-year old Computer Science grad that loves sports and stats and it will be done tomorrow. No need to act like this is some technology mountain that can't be climbed.

It’s the official APP from a marketing perspective, not a mandatory APP that must be used every game by each team. And I am well aware that calculating is not hard for a computer, but getting the data in a sport like baseball and softball is next to impossible. But it sounds like you are on the verge of something great!

You know Joe Eitel started his site as a hobby, and now it’s an actual business where he is making some money. Why don’t you fire this program up for baseball and let’s see what the computer says? Grab you that 24 year old computer science person and make a trial run next season! I think it would be awesome!

[smurray]

Oh, it could be done. But ask Joe Eitel how much work it is keeping track of a sport that plays only 10 games and for the most part 80% on one night with schedules that are set a year out. Now, track a sport like baseball where games change daily, and each team will play 4-5 games a week.

Number of games played and calculating a "point" total is irrelevant to a computer. Having the correct information to calculate is the issue.

OHSAA just recently announced that GameChanger is the app that will now be used to collect information on the pitch count. So every pitcher on every High School team will now have the number of pitches they threw collected by this app. Seems pretty simple to me that in addition to uploading the number of pitches that 2,000 kids in Ohio throw every day/week you just add the ability to report the score of the game as well. The GC app is unreal with capability.

If you using it to keep track of every pitcher use it to track a schools record as well, download each HS record to excel and a pivot table, insert formula for points both primary and secondary or whatever the calculation methodology is, adjust by a divisor for games played against the maximum allowed, and then post it online middle of the week before play-offs so every coach or district manager can verify their record is accurate and boom.

Can't approach this like a 50-year old with a pen, paper, and Texas Instrument calculator. Use an app for data collection, convert the data, insert it, and look at results. Give the problem to a 24-year old Computer Science grad that loves sports and stats and it will be done tomorrow. No need to act like this is some technology mountain that can't be climbed.

It’s the official APP from a marketing perspective, not a mandatory APP that must be used every game by each team. And I am well aware that calculating is not hard for a computer, but getting the data in a sport like baseball and softball is next to impossible. But it sounds like you are on the verge of something great!

You know Joe Eitel started his site as a hobby, and now it’s an actual business where he is making some money. Why don’t you fire this program up for baseball and let’s see what the computer says? Grab you that 24 year old computer science person and make a trial run next season! I think it would be awesome!

It can be done....

[Ironman92]

Warren 5
Jackson 3

4th inning

Warren led 5-0 after 3

[Ironman92]

Warren 6-5 bottom 4

[Ironman92]

Warren 6-5 bottom of 5

Jackson had bases loaded but couldn’t breakthrough