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Jms wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 9:05 am Schaefer pitched against Ironton last night in Notre Dames 2-1 win. Schaefer had 13 strike outs.....Ironton beat Clay.....just saying

Nobody is taking anything away from the Schaeffer girl because she is good and only going to get better. We have to remember that she is a sophomore and the Swain girl from Clay is a senior.

Jms wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 9:05 am Schaefer pitched against Ironton last night in Notre Dames 2-1 win. Schaefer had 13 strike outs.....Ironton beat Clay.....just saying

Ironton beat Clay...Notre Dame beat Ironton. Not sure what that has to do with anything. Swain didn't pitch against Ironton, she pitched the game before against Coal Grove.

That game was early in the season, 3rd or 4th game of the season. At that point in the season the team was completely different from the end of the season. The shortstop, 2nd Base, 1st Base, Left Fielder, Center Fielder, and Right Fielder were all different from the beginning of the season and now.

Clay...SOC 1 Champions

SEOhio wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 9:13 am

Jms wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 9:05 am Schaefer pitched against Ironton last night in Notre Dames 2-1 win. Schaefer had 13 strike outs.....Ironton beat Clay.....just saying

Nobody is taking anything away from the Schaeffer girl because she is good and only going to get better. We have to remember that she is a sophomore and the Swain girl from Clay is a senior.

Grade shouldn't matter who receives the award. If she is the best player and is a sophomore then she should get it. Its POY not Senior POY. My opinion is that Swain, with her contributions in the circle and at the plate has earned it.

SoftballGirl wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 9:31 am

SEOhio wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 9:13 am

Jms wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 9:05 am Schaefer pitched against Ironton last night in Notre Dames 2-1 win. Schaefer had 13 strike outs.....Ironton beat Clay.....just saying

Nobody is taking anything away from the Schaeffer girl because she is good and only going to get better. We have to remember that she is a sophomore and the Swain girl from Clay is a senior.

Grade shouldn't matter who receives the award. If she is the best player and is a sophomore then she should get it. Its POY not Senior POY. My opinion is that Swain, with her contributions in the circle and at the plate has earned it.

Oh I agree that it isn't senior POY but they are both great pitchers but I feel with two more years of experience that she is the better player at this point in the game. The senior and sophomore status in my post was to reference their experience levels.

I don't have Schaefer's hitting stats but she leads the team in HR's and I guarantee you it is right up there with Swain. But I didn't know Swain was a senior so if it is even close I support going with Senior.

Saw them both in multiple games this year.
BOTH are outstanding players.
But if it's a two horse race I'm going with Schaeffer.
You take Swain off of Clay they still win SOC.
You take Schaeffer off of Notre Dame and they aren't even .500

ColdHardTruth wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 9:57 am Saw them both in multiple games this year.
BOTH are outstanding players.
But if it's a two horse race I'm going with Schaeffer.
You take Swain off of Clay they still win SOC.
You take Schaeffer off of Notre Dame and they aren't even .500

Swain gets punished cause she is on a good team...lol. I am not sure about winning the SOC with out her. I am sure JMS can back that up also.

ColdHardTruth wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 9:57 am Saw them both in multiple games this year.
BOTH are outstanding players.
But if it's a two horse race I'm going with Schaeffer.
You take Swain off of Clay they still win SOC.
You take Schaeffer off of Notre Dame and they aren't even .500

I find it hard to believe that you believe that ND can go from 18-5 to a sub .500 team if you take the one pitcher off the team. I understand that they have a new coach but I couldn't take away that many wins with one girl. They have several good athletes on that team that play multiple sports. I understand that a pitcher can make a team but I also have to disagree with you on this post.

Nobody is trying to punish Swain. Just stating facts. And not sure i can back that up but Clay does have 2 solid pitchers who split mound time this year. ND's 2nd pitcher, Isabel Cassidy, freshman, 2nd base, not quite as experienced on the mound and unfortunately did not get to throw in many games this year.

Swain did have a no-hitter for 6 innings against ND and also threw a no-hitter against Green. She has one loss against her and that was to Coal Grove, 3-1 and two of those runs was unearned. Far as hitting, she’s leading the team in HR’s!

It would be nice to see an soc l vs soc ll all star game

Both young ladies are really good , both led their team to fine seasons , I'm sure their coaches will lobby for their kid when it matters at the awards meeting . For now this thread is getting close to being counterproductive and not what this website is about . I speak from the experience of posting tons of stuff I'd like to have never offered up . So lets stay as positive as humanly possible and remember more than likely things said here have a way of making it back to the players involved .

Bravesfan1985 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 7:00 am It would be nice to see an soc l vs soc ll all star game

Not a good idea in my book , in most years , nearly every year , the 2 would handle the 1 with ease . And I was an SOC 1 guy for years and years. The talent pool from the larger schools is just deeper , thats all.

SOQueen wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:44 am Swain did have a no-hitter for 6 innings against ND and Schaeffer gave up 8 runs. Swain also threw a no-hitter against Green. How many no-hitters does Schaefer have? Swain has one loss against her and that was to Coal Grove, 3-1 and two of those runs was unearned. If Swain was the only pitcher for Clay, her strike-outs would be 300+. Now when someone asks me who I want on the mound representing SOC 1, I would have to say Swain. Far as hitting, she’s leading the team in HR’s!

Head to head speaks for itself! That is why I say Swain is the POY.

I don't have all of Schaefer's stats but i do know she threw a 1 hitter and a 3 hitter against Green. I also know the first game with Clay she had to throw the top of the inning in pouring rain and the game was resumed at bottom of 3 in good weather. But again, since i don't have the stats I don't know how many of those 8 runs were earned and how many were on errors. I also know she has thrown 3, 4 and even 5 games in one week.
As stated earlier I feel that if stats are close you go with the Senior. But this is just my opinion and since i don't get to vote my opinion really doesn't matter

Ive stated how i look at it. But again after seeing them both play, you take both players off their respective teams. Clay still competes for SOC. Notre Dame is a .500 team and all the talk is about the players the lost.

Another opinion in a long line of opinions , you cant lose to the third place team in the league twice and expect too much .

I think you're right...Clay would still compete....and they'll compete next year when Swain is gone. Clay is different than a lot of teams because they have two capable pitchers. It may not be exactly apples to apples but Burg is doing pretty well with Faith Howard gone. Does that mean Faith Howard wasn't an outstanding pitcher? Hopefully the coaches will pick the player they feel had the best year...regardless of anything else.

SOC1 softball is always good.

Clay should be good for the next 3 to 4 years without a drop off in pitching. Next year Oliver will step in Swains spot and Lutz will take Oliver’s spot in the rotation. Will still have two really good pitchers until Oliver graduates in 2019. After that season Lutz will be a sophomore and will be ready to take over.