D4 Southeast Draw

SOSoftball
Freshman Team
Posts: 105
Joined: Tue May 22, 2012 3:10 pm

D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SOSoftball » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:45 am

West

1. Clay
2. Notre Dame
3. Peebles
4. Manchester
5. Valley
6. Glenwood
7. Green
8. Western
9. Paint Valley
10. St. Joseph
11. Whiteoak
12. Sciotoville


East

1. Eastern Meigs
2. Symmes Valley
3. Southern
4. Belpre
5. Waterford
6. Eastern Pike
7. Trimble
8. South Webster
9. South Gallia
10. Miller
11. Federal Hocking



User avatar
BiddyBallDaddy
Freshman Team
Posts: 171
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:21 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by BiddyBallDaddy » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:50 am

Interesting draw results. In the West, what are the records of the top 4?

SEOhio
Freshman Team
Posts: 177
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:51 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SEOhio » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:54 am

BiddyBallDaddy wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:50 am
Interesting draw results. In the West, what are the records of the top 4?
Clay 17-3

Notre Dame 12-2

Peebles 9-4

Manchester 9-4
"If you don't have anything positive to say, then don't say anything at all"

ManitouDan2
All State
Posts: 1356
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:00 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by ManitouDan2 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:33 am

The East is tremendously weak . .. the # 2 seed lost to New Boston ! (according to a friend who reported the score to me )

SEOhio
Freshman Team
Posts: 177
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:51 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SEOhio » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:53 pm

ManitouDan2 wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:33 am
The East is tremendously weak . .. the # 2 seed lost to New Boston ! (according to a friend who reported the score to me )
The #2 team in the East (Symmes Valley) also gave Notre Dame (#2 team in the West) one of their only two losses. Notre Dame and Clay are definitely the teams to watch to come out of this bracket. It have a tough time trying to figure out exactly how they seeded everyone after the top three teams. It definitely doesn't match with their records.
"If you don't have anything positive to say, then don't say anything at all"

SOSoftball
Freshman Team
Posts: 105
Joined: Tue May 22, 2012 3:10 pm

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SOSoftball » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:27 pm

Just in case anyone is curious below are the records for each team as shown on the SEODAB website.

West

1. Clay 17-3
2. Notre Dame 12-2
3. Peebles 9-4
4. Manchester 9-4
5. Valley 7-3
6. Glenwood 6-9
7. Green 4-11
8. Western 3-8
9. Paint Valley 4-4
10. St. Joseph 7-2
11. Whiteoak 4-12
12. Sciotoville 1-15


East

1. Eastern Meigs 12-3
2. Symmes Valley 12-5
3. Southern
4. Belpre 7-9
5. Waterford 9-7
6. Eastern Pike 6-11
7. Trimble 5-6
8. South Webster 2-15
9. South Gallia 3-9
10. Miller 1-11
11. Federal Hocking 0-14

ManitouDan2
All State
Posts: 1356
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:00 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by ManitouDan2 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:59 pm

Odd how Clay got in 20 games and others as low as 8 ?? Valley only get in 10 ?

TB12GOAT
Waterboy
Posts: 18
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:07 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by TB12GOAT » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:02 pm

Has anyone on here played Southern, can’t find a record or schedule anywhere

SoftballGirl
Riding the Bench
Posts: 57
Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:31 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SoftballGirl » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:03 pm

ManitouDan2 wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:59 pm
Odd how Clay got in 20 games and others as low as 8 ?? Valley only get in 10 ?
"Field Maintenance"

a_c_m
SEOP
Posts: 4424
Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:25 pm

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by a_c_m » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:01 pm

TB12GOAT wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:02 pm
Has anyone on here played Southern, can’t find a record or schedule anywhere

According to the Gallipolis Daily Tribune, Southern's record is 11-5 overall and 10-3 in the TVC.

Superfanofall
Waterboy
Posts: 6
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:20 pm

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by Superfanofall » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:18 pm

ManitouDan2 wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:59 pm
Odd how Clay got in 20 games and others as low as 8 ?? Valley only get in 10 ?
Valley only has 10 girls so to play games with weather below 40 and all the rain they was lucky to get in that many. Played mostly conference games

TB12GOAT
Waterboy
Posts: 18
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:07 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by TB12GOAT » Tue May 01, 2018 4:29 am

a_c_m wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:01 pm
TB12GOAT wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:02 pm
Has anyone on here played Southern, can’t find a record or schedule anywhere

According to the Gallipolis Daily Tribune, Southern's record is 11-5 overall and 10-3 in the TVC.
Thank you

SoftballGirl
Riding the Bench
Posts: 57
Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:31 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SoftballGirl » Tue May 01, 2018 9:16 am

Updated Clay record is 19-4 (10-1) and finishes as SOC 1 Champions.

Games remaining before tournament play starts.

Wednesday - Northwest @ Clay
Friday - Jackson @ Clay
Saturday - Alexander @ Unioto
Saturday - Unioto @ Unioto

Real Time
Waterboy
Posts: 42
Joined: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:17 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by Real Time » Tue May 01, 2018 9:44 am

SoftballGirl wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:03 pm
ManitouDan2 wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:59 pm
Odd how Clay got in 20 games and others as low as 8 ?? Valley only get in 10 ?
"Field Maintenance"
The HC works his butt off to get the games in. He puts in the time on the field so the ladies can do what they love to do!

User avatar
BiddyBallDaddy
Freshman Team
Posts: 171
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:21 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by BiddyBallDaddy » Tue May 01, 2018 9:53 am

ManitouDan2 wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:59 pm
Odd how Clay got in 20 games and others as low as 8 ?? Valley only get in 10 ?
Not odd at all in my opinion. If it's nice out you have to play. Field maintenance has a large part in playing as well... Too many schools around the area are borderline unplayable if a light sprinkle.

ColdHardTruth
Freshman Team
Posts: 184
Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:58 pm

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by ColdHardTruth » Tue May 01, 2018 12:48 pm

I think number of games played only played a small part. I think who you played was another part and how you played against other teams.
I think that's what hurt St. Joe. Yeah, they were 7-2 but 7-2 playing some pretty WEAK talent. They didn't have to go against the Clays and Notre Dames.

The West bracket is by far the more loaded bracket. I don't expect an upset with the 1. Clay or 2. Notre Dame. But, the 3 & 4 anything could happen.

SEOhio
Freshman Team
Posts: 177
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:51 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SEOhio » Tue May 01, 2018 2:14 pm

ColdHardTruth wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 12:48 pm
I think number of games played only played a small part. I think who you played was another part and how you played against other teams.
I think that's what hurt St. Joe. Yeah, they were 7-2 but 7-2 playing some pretty WEAK talent. They didn't have to go against the Clays and Notre Dames.

The West bracket is by far the more loaded bracket. I don't expect an upset with the 1. Clay or 2. Notre Dame. But, the 3 & 4 anything could happen.
I am not sure of what teams St. Joe played this year, but they will be in the SOC starting next year so their schedule will change. The problem with St. Joe is that many of the girls right now with a lot of talent end of going to Ironton to play when they get to HS. In baseball, this situation is switched. Their baseball is doing quite well and have several kids that played for Ironton just a year or two ago. We can look at anyone's schedule and see some WEAK teams on their schedule with the exception of a few clubs that play larger schools to prepare for tournament play. I think OHSAA should look at each clubs wins and rank them for tournament play like they do in football. South Webster comes to mind, because they have 2 wins but play in the brutal SOC II. They are better than many in the East and West bracket.
"If you don't have anything positive to say, then don't say anything at all"

ColdHardTruth
Freshman Team
Posts: 184
Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:58 pm

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by ColdHardTruth » Thu May 03, 2018 6:33 am

SEOhio wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 2:14 pm
ColdHardTruth wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 12:48 pm
I think number of games played only played a small part. I think who you played was another part and how you played against other teams.
I think that's what hurt St. Joe. Yeah, they were 7-2 but 7-2 playing some pretty WEAK talent. They didn't have to go against the Clays and Notre Dames.

The West bracket is by far the more loaded bracket. I don't expect an upset with the 1. Clay or 2. Notre Dame. But, the 3 & 4 anything could happen.
I am not sure of what teams St. Joe played this year, but they will be in the SOC starting next year so their schedule will change. The problem with St. Joe is that many of the girls right now with a lot of talent end of going to Ironton to play when they get to HS. In baseball, this situation is switched. Their baseball is doing quite well and have several kids that played for Ironton just a year or two ago. We can look at anyone's schedule and see some WEAK teams on their schedule with the exception of a few clubs that play larger schools to prepare for tournament play. I think OHSAA should look at each clubs wins and rank them for tournament play like they do in football. South Webster comes to mind, because they have 2 wins but play in the brutal SOC II. They are better than many in the East and West bracket.
Aside from Burg and Oak Hill (last year) many of those SOC 2 schools Minford, North West, West have had weaker Jr High and Little League programs over the past few years. Usually getting beat regularly by SOC 1 schools.
If that holds up I expect Webster to turn it around quickly. Messer has done a great job with them already.

SEOhio
Freshman Team
Posts: 177
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:51 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SEOhio » Fri May 04, 2018 10:18 am

ColdHardTruth wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 6:33 am
SEOhio wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 2:14 pm
ColdHardTruth wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 12:48 pm
I think number of games played only played a small part. I think who you played was another part and how you played against other teams.
I think that's what hurt St. Joe. Yeah, they were 7-2 but 7-2 playing some pretty WEAK talent. They didn't have to go against the Clays and Notre Dames.

The West bracket is by far the more loaded bracket. I don't expect an upset with the 1. Clay or 2. Notre Dame. But, the 3 & 4 anything could happen.
I am not sure of what teams St. Joe played this year, but they will be in the SOC starting next year so their schedule will change. The problem with St. Joe is that many of the girls right now with a lot of talent end of going to Ironton to play when they get to HS. In baseball, this situation is switched. Their baseball is doing quite well and have several kids that played for Ironton just a year or two ago. We can look at anyone's schedule and see some WEAK teams on their schedule with the exception of a few clubs that play larger schools to prepare for tournament play. I think OHSAA should look at each clubs wins and rank them for tournament play like they do in football. South Webster comes to mind, because they have 2 wins but play in the brutal SOC II. They are better than many in the East and West bracket.
Aside from Burg and Oak Hill (last year) many of those SOC 2 schools Minford, North West, West have had weaker Jr High and Little League programs over the past few years. Usually getting beat regularly by SOC 1 schools.
If that holds up I expect Webster to turn it around quickly. Messer has done a great job with them already.
Definitely South Webster's program is getting better. Their record doesn't reflect that because of playing in the brutal SOC I. I doubt other than ND, Clay, and the hit or miss SV program, that any other SOC I team could play with Minford, Northwest, Oak Hill, Waverly or Wheelersburg. I would like to see the SOC I programs schedule a few of these teams so they can get better but they won't. Many team like to enhance their record by playing small schools that they know their program is lacking from the bottom up, and say we have a winning record when the teams you beat also haven't won many games. It doesn't help these programs when it comes time to play a quality team for the conference or in the tournament.
"If you don't have anything positive to say, then don't say anything at all"

SoftballGirl
Riding the Bench
Posts: 57
Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:31 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SoftballGirl » Fri May 04, 2018 10:29 am

Clay has been lucky to be able to schedule some good out of Conference games this year.

Waverly (Lost)
Piketon (Won)
Portsmouth West (Won)
Coal Grove (Lost)
Ironton (Lost)
Northwest (2) (Won Both)
Valley(Won)
Jackson (Scheduled 5/4)
Unioto (Scheduled 5/5)
Alexander (Scheduled 5/5)
Wellston (Rained out)

SEOhio
Freshman Team
Posts: 177
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:51 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SEOhio » Fri May 04, 2018 11:17 am

SoftballGirl wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 10:29 am
Clay has been lucky to be able to schedule some good out of Conference games this year.

Waverly (Lost)
Piketon (Won)
Portsmouth West (Won)
Coal Grove (Lost)
Ironton (Lost)
Northwest (2) (Won Both)
Valley(Won)
Jackson (Scheduled 5/4)
Unioto (Scheduled 5/5)
Alexander (Scheduled 5/5)
Wellston (Rained out)
Scheduling these teams only make your team better! Thank you for sharing your strength of schedule. There are other area teams who would be ashamed to post teams that they schedule. It definitely shows what a quality team you have at Clay. How many seniors are you graduating and what positions do they play?
"If you don't have anything positive to say, then don't say anything at all"

SoftballGirl
Riding the Bench
Posts: 57
Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:31 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SoftballGirl » Fri May 04, 2018 11:36 am

There is one senior on the team. She is a pitcher/right fielder.

The 9 starters include

1 Senior
7 Juniors
1 Freshman

SoftballGirl
Riding the Bench
Posts: 57
Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:31 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SoftballGirl » Fri May 04, 2018 11:38 am

There is another good group coming up behind the 7 juniors. There are a few Freshman that doesn't start that could start on most of the area teams this year. Plus the current 8th graders this year that will be coming up is another good group.

ColdHardTruth
Freshman Team
Posts: 184
Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:58 pm

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by ColdHardTruth » Fri May 04, 2018 12:57 pm

SEOhio wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 10:18 am
ColdHardTruth wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 6:33 am
SEOhio wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 2:14 pm


I am not sure of what teams St. Joe played this year, but they will be in the SOC starting next year so their schedule will change. The problem with St. Joe is that many of the girls right now with a lot of talent end of going to Ironton to play when they get to HS. In baseball, this situation is switched. Their baseball is doing quite well and have several kids that played for Ironton just a year or two ago. We can look at anyone's schedule and see some WEAK teams on their schedule with the exception of a few clubs that play larger schools to prepare for tournament play. I think OHSAA should look at each clubs wins and rank them for tournament play like they do in football. South Webster comes to mind, because they have 2 wins but play in the brutal SOC II. They are better than many in the East and West bracket.
Aside from Burg and Oak Hill (last year) many of those SOC 2 schools Minford, North West, West have had weaker Jr High and Little League programs over the past few years. Usually getting beat regularly by SOC 1 schools.
If that holds up I expect Webster to turn it around quickly. Messer has done a great job with them already.
Definitely South Webster's program is getting better. Their record doesn't reflect that because of playing in the brutal SOC I. I doubt other than ND, Clay, and the hit or miss SV program, that any other SOC I team could play with Minford, Northwest, Oak Hill, Waverly or Wheelersburg. I would like to see the SOC I programs schedule a few of these teams so they can get better but they won't. Many team like to enhance their record by playing small schools that they know their program is lacking from the bottom up, and say we have a winning record when the teams you beat also haven't won many games. It doesn't help these programs when it comes time to play a quality team for the conference or in the tournament.
I agree with you on scheduling these tougher teams to a certain extent. I think once a coach feels his team can compete competently then they need to schedule a few games against tougher opponents.
But, at the same time there's a reason there's two conferences and OHSAA takes numbers for competitve balence. We shouldn't expect a team like St. Joe who has less than 20 girls in the entire SCHOOL 9-12 to be able to compete with the Irontons, Burgs, Oak Hill and so on. And there's several other SOC 1 schools who just don't have the numbers to do it. NO ONE benefits from a 20-0 game that wasn't competitive. So we shouldn't judge these programs (not saying you are) when they choose to schedule similar opponents.

Now when a program from a small school like Clay and up and coming Webster and Green does step out and schedule these bigger schools i think we should tip the cap to their programs for being in a position to give it a try.

SEOhio
Freshman Team
Posts: 177
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:51 am

Re: D4 Southeast Draw

Post by SEOhio » Fri May 04, 2018 3:00 pm

I completely agree that nobody benefits from a mercy rule game. I also understand why the conferences have a big and small school. You are the one the mention the larger schools such as Minford, West, and Northwest having weaker programs at the younger age and the SOC I schools beating these team regularly (your words). You mention competitive balance and that has nothing to do with scheduling by OHSAA rather than your division in softball which is divided into 4 divisions in softball. Nobody is judging the program but it is the AD or coaches whom are scheduling easier games for wins. If you look at Clay's schedule, they aren't backing down from larger programs like Jackson which they are playing tonight. South Webster has to play in the SOC I and they are getting better. I can't say much about Green other than I know they were mercy ruled by Clay and South Webster.
"If you don't have anything positive to say, then don't say anything at all"

Post Reply