2018 Season Stats

[ManitouDan2]

My kid took a 3 wood to one award she got , wasnt a big award , just her way of saying I'll not accept being screwed . I couldnt argue . ( and before anyone wants to go all snowflake on me I'll say this - dont do it, unless you were there , and unless you know of what are commenting on , just dont do it )

[Proud_Pirate63]

My kid took a 3 wood to one award she got , wasnt a big award , just her way of saying I'll not accept being screwed . I couldnt argue . ( and before anyone wants to go all snowflake on me I'll say this - dont do it, unless you were there , and unless you know of what are commenting on , just dont do it )

Could she have just declined the award?

[SEOhio]

Postseason awards are absolutely useless. They translate into nothing 99.9% of the time. If a kid is worrying about stats to earn an INDIVIDUAL award, then they are playing for the wrong reasons. If a parent is bent out of shape over stats and INDIVIDUAL awards, then you need to take a step back and remember it is a team sport. The only STAT that means anything, is the Win and Loss column on the stat sheet for the team.

No I am not a coach, no I am not a parent. Once upon of time I won several of these postseason awards and can tell you first hand, they do not help you later in life. You want to go play college ball, they look at stats, and they will look at what you do in person. They will look to see if you were on successful teams and if you come from a winning culture.

In all honesty, in today's society of giving everyone a dang trophy, I can not believe they even allow individual awards. Sadly, I don't blame the kids, I blame the idiotic parents who are trying to relive their glory years through their kids.

Very well said. But let me ask you this, and before that troll jumps into my conversation again. Understand I'm asking as your opinion as a former player.

Did you not accept the award and enjoy the recognition às a teenager player? No kid should ever play just for a reward and it means nothing, your correct. But, so does Prom and people still dump $$$$$ into it every year.
Now that you're an adult you're mature enough to understand the award. But as a player was it something you looked forward to?

Hey, we get to see how childish a man can get when people don't agree with their personal agendas and started calling me names. I am sure you start calling people names in Walmart because they don't agree with you also because that is how adults handle situations. Everyone can clearly see through your own words that you are on a mission to recognize a teenage player that requires the need for a reward to play a sport and have something to look forward to. You need to teach them to be mature and work harder to make the TEAM better and stand out for a conference award by the other coaches. We just don't create an award for each person in the real world or the work place just because they came to work everyday or doing what they enjoy. You reasoning about prom is completely off topic because it isn't a sport and anything team related. You are just reaching for whatever so make to personal agenda ok and obviously with the other posts are in agreement that your awards and stats are wrong. I can't believe your AD would even approve these types of awards or if he/she even knows.

[ManitouDan2]

? not sure , dont recall how it was delivered , she would have had zero issue with it going to a team mate . Like I said , unless you knew what went down I'm sure the act doesnt appear proper , but you were not there .

[SEOhio]

With over 1,300 views on this thread, people get to see the antics of why season stats and individual awards don't belong in TEAM sports. Each conference recognizes great players and the need to eliminate the "cheerleader" or "way to go but not for the team" award for personal reasons is crystal clear. School administrators and boards needs to be made aware of things happening for personal reasons because they are coaching the sport for the wrong reason.

[Proud_Pirate63]

? not sure , dont recall how it was delivered , she would have had zero issue with it going to a team mate . Like I said , unless you knew what went down I'm sure the act doesnt appear proper , but you were not there .

No I wasn’t there, but I didn’t address the act either. I just asked if she had the opportunity to decline the award. Not judging, just asking a question.

[linedrive]

I agree that the conference awards don't really hold very much weight outside of their High School careers but I think everyone that has ever received them truly ejoyed it at the time and that's where these girls are now. They are just something the players can look back on and say "I accomplished that" but I think what most are saying is the way that it's done a lot of times. Awards are always going to be given and yes certain people, parents and coaches are going to say things like "these awards don't mean anything" and "this doesn't define who you are" etc...
It's like saying "money don't buy happiness". Who's saying it... someone with or without it?
Do they truly believe that themselves? Do the coaches tell the players that to make it easier to give the awards to who they choose vs who truly earned it... or fudge the #s to justify their actions? You better believe it happens.
If they don't mean anything, then why do a lot of coaches do it the way they do it? Why do they give to the upperclassman when the Freshman or Sophmore clearly had better #s? (If #s were not fudged of course)
The awards mean the most to these players when they're NOT given what they rightfully earned.
If a coach is that type of coach... they are truly a sorry excuse for one.

[SEOhio]

I agree that the conference awards don't really hold very much weight outside of their High School careers but I think everyone that has ever received them truly ejoyed it at the time and that's where these girls are now. They are just something the players can look back on and say "I accomplished that" but I think what most are saying is the way that it's done a lot of times. Awards are always going to be given and yes certain people, parents and coaches are going to say things like "these awards don't mean anything" and "this doesn't define who you are" etc...
It's like saying "money don't buy happiness". Who's saying it... someone with or without it?
Do they truly believe that themselves? Do the coaches tell the players that to make it easier to give the awards to who they choose vs who truly earned it... or fudge the #s to justify their actions? You better believe it happens.
If they don't mean anything, then why do a lot of coaches do it the way they do it? Why do they give to the upperclassman when the Freshman or Sophmore clearly had better #s? (If #s were not fudged of course)
The awards mean the most to these players when they're NOT given what they rightfully earned.
If a coach is that type of coach... they are truly a sorry excuse for one.

Some coaches and parents feel that they need it because they need the pat on the back for playing and encouraging them to continue. It is like an employer giving you a cookie for deciding to get out of bed and come to work that day. It is ridiculous and then some people get mad when their personal agenda is brought out into the light for the community to see. I agree there are poor excuses for coaches out there so some great ones also.

[linedrive]

Totally agree SEOhio.

[SEOhio]

Totally agree SEOhio.

Im glad that many people have the same beliefs as I do. I think it is stupid that they create these feel good awards just because they need to feed their desire to make a player happy. The awards are hand picked usually by last name or a relative to a coach. If they can’t find an award then they eliminate players so the person they want get it does. Stats are so overrated and manipulated. Things need to change because the real world is going to be a rude awakening once they graduate and mom/dad can’t just go in and get a job as their boss so they don’t get their feelings hurt. I think the video speaks words and I know a few who needs to watch it.

[Gopher]

Glad you enjoyed the video SEOhio. One of my favorites.

Did you notice toward the end that he said "This is how we are getting these kids" and where are colleges getting them from ? ............. HS.

[SEOhio]

Glad you enjoyed the video SEOhio. One of my favorites.

Did you notice toward the end that he said "This is how we are getting these kids" and where are colleges getting them from ? ............. HS.

I like his reference about only winning 1 game out of 3 and going to the friendly bracket in AAU. I have said for a long time that kids today will have a hard time when they get to the real world with how they are given something for nothing. I was told as a kid that either you win or you go home. I never wanted a 2nd place trophy. Today’s parents are living through their kids and can’t accept that they aren’t the best so they jump into coaching to ensure their kids plays every game. The teams who play the best player at every position are the programs with winning records. This is true in every team sport. You have to play your best and many successful programs bring in coaches with no ties to ensure the program is the best it can be.

[SEOhio]

I was actually talking to a college softball coach yesterday at an event and we discussed the issue of stats and team awards. She explained to me that they only use the stats as a reference point only because of how unreliable they are in HS. She also explained how counterproductive the “team” awards are for players who are looking to play at the next level. She stated that they are looking for all around good players who are recognized by the people they play against and not requiring the coach having to recognize them with a team award by the coach. I thought it was very good insight in comparison to our conversations here.

[Fonzie]

Postseason awards are absolutely useless. They translate into nothing 99.9% of the time. If a kid is worrying about stats to earn an INDIVIDUAL award, then they are playing for the wrong reasons. If a parent is bent out of shape over stats and INDIVIDUAL awards, then you need to take a step back and remember it is a team sport. The only STAT that means anything, is the Win and Loss column on the stat sheet for the team.

No I am not a coach, no I am not a parent. Once upon of time I won several of these postseason awards and can tell you first hand, they do not help you later in life. You want to go play college ball, they look at stats, and they will look at what you do in person. They will look to see if you were on successful teams and if you come from a winning culture.

In all honesty, in today's society of giving everyone a dang trophy, I can not believe they even allow individual awards. Sadly, I don't blame the kids, I blame the idiotic parents who are trying to relive their glory years through their kids.

Very well said. But let me ask you this, and before that troll jumps into my conversation again. Understand I'm asking as your opinion as a former player.

Did you not accept the award and enjoy the recognition às a teenager player? No kid should ever play just for a reward and it means nothing, your correct. But, so does Prom and people still dump $$$$$ into it every year.
Now that you're an adult you're mature enough to understand the award. But as a player was it something you looked forward to?

In all honesty. no. It didn't seem like that big of a deal to me then either. I was fortunate to have parents that instilled in me that a TEAM is far more important than an individual. Like I said, wins and losses are the only stat that mattered. I viewed it that way then, and I still do. I believe a lot of it boils down to how you were raised. If little Billy's parents teach that you must receive an individual award for your contributions to a team sport are the only way to prove your worth, then yeah, maybe that teenage kid might need the recognition.

[hawkeyepierce]

If your are scoring correctly the catcher does get credited with the putout, not the pitcher.

Yes. That is correct, the catcher is credited with the putout, because he or she has completed the out. If, the catcher drops the third strike, and throws the batter out at first, the catcher is credited with an assist and the first baseman is credited with the putout. Strikeouts are a separate category and whether the strikeout is completed by the catcher or the first baseman, or neither, the batter is safe, the pitcher is still credited with the strikeout.

Why are HS teams keeping track of putouts anyhow other than how the out occurs. It just seems really stupid to argue about who gets the putout on a strike out in HS. Does the catcher get scored an error when it is a passed ball or when they drop the third strike and don't get the out at first? I know there are gold glove awards in MLB that accounts for but these are kids without an official scorekeeper determining if a bad hop is an error or just a good effort. Stats are definitely manipulated when coaches or parents keeping the book determines these types of things.

Well, we are using GameChanger. It automatically keeps those minutia stats for us. However, to answer your questions, no, a catcher doesn't record an error during a passed ball. The passed ball stat is a separate stat, it has it own category as it relates to catching as a whole. The same as an wild pitch stat, it doesn't fall on the pitcher as an error but rather a wild pitch, its own pitching category. Again, a dropped third strike only occurs during an wild pitch or an passed ball, of course, at younger levels a kid may just drop the ball, but that should be recorded as a passed ball. No error is given in either of these cases.

An error is, in the judgement of the official scorer, when a fielder misplays a batted ball that allows the batter to move up one or more bases.

A dropped third strike, passed ball, or wild pitch is considered a battery error.

[SEOhio]

Postseason awards are absolutely useless. They translate into nothing 99.9% of the time. If a kid is worrying about stats to earn an INDIVIDUAL award, then they are playing for the wrong reasons. If a parent is bent out of shape over stats and INDIVIDUAL awards, then you need to take a step back and remember it is a team sport. The only STAT that means anything, is the Win and Loss column on the stat sheet for the team.

No I am not a coach, no I am not a parent. Once upon of time I won several of these postseason awards and can tell you first hand, they do not help you later in life. You want to go play college ball, they look at stats, and they will look at what you do in person. They will look to see if you were on successful teams and if you come from a winning culture.

In all honesty, in today's society of giving everyone a dang trophy, I can not believe they even allow individual awards. Sadly, I don't blame the kids, I blame the idiotic parents who are trying to relive their glory years through their kids.

Very well said. But let me ask you this, and before that troll jumps into my conversation again. Understand I'm asking as your opinion as a former player.

Did you not accept the award and enjoy the recognition às a teenager player? No kid should ever play just for a reward and it means nothing, your correct. But, so does Prom and people still dump $$$$$ into it every year.
Now that you're an adult you're mature enough to understand the award. But as a player was it something you looked forward to?

In all honesty. no. It didn't seem like that big of a deal to me then either. I was fortunate to have parents that instilled in me that a TEAM is far more important than an individual. Like I said, wins and losses are the only stat that mattered. I viewed it that way then, and I still do. I believe a lot of it boils down to how you were raised. If little Billy's parents teach that you must receive an individual award for your contributions to a team sport are the only way to prove your worth, then yeah, maybe that teenage kid might need the recognition.

I completely agree with you but they are going to do what they want anyhow. Coaches are so wrapped up on having to make a player or players look good with an individual award. He admitted that the player needed recognition as a teenager and wasn't mature enough to understand. Players should play for a win and that is what they should be looking forward to and not an individual award to say to the team... look at me. Like I said in the previous post, the coach for the college team I was talking to actually said it hurts their chances in college. College teams don't want individual players but a player who stands out for a team effort. I guess people have to learn the hard way but it will only hurt their player.

[SEOhio]

Yes. That is correct, the catcher is credited with the putout, because he or she has completed the out. If, the catcher drops the third strike, and throws the batter out at first, the catcher is credited with an assist and the first baseman is credited with the putout. Strikeouts are a separate category and whether the strikeout is completed by the catcher or the first baseman, or neither, the batter is safe, the pitcher is still credited with the strikeout.

Why are HS teams keeping track of putouts anyhow other than how the out occurs. It just seems really stupid to argue about who gets the putout on a strike out in HS. Does the catcher get scored an error when it is a passed ball or when they drop the third strike and don't get the out at first? I know there are gold glove awards in MLB that accounts for but these are kids without an official scorekeeper determining if a bad hop is an error or just a good effort. Stats are definitely manipulated when coaches or parents keeping the book determines these types of things.

Well, we are using GameChanger. It automatically keeps those minutia stats for us. However, to answer your questions, no, a catcher doesn't record an error during a passed ball. The passed ball stat is a separate stat, it has it own category as it relates to catching as a whole. The same as an wild pitch stat, it doesn't fall on the pitcher as an error but rather a wild pitch, its own pitching category. Again, a dropped third strike only occurs during an wild pitch or an passed ball, of course, at younger levels a kid may just drop the ball, but that should be recorded as a passed ball. No error is given in either of these cases.

An error is, in the judgement of the official scorer, when a fielder misplays a batted ball that allows the batter to move up one or more bases.

A dropped third strike, passed ball, or wild pitch is considered a battery error.

Here is a list of when an error isn't charged that might be an FYI for some people:

NO ERROR IS CHARGED
SECTION 22. No error is charged to a fielder in the following situations:
a. When a ball is misplayed due to being lost in the sun or lights, blown by the wind, or if
the fielder slips and falls—even if contact is made with the ball.
b. When there is a mental mistake. Throwing to the wrong base is considered a mental mistake.
c. When a catcher attempts a pick-off unless the runner advances an additional base.
d. When a runner returns safely to her original base on a rundown.
e. When a runner beats a wild throw or dropped catch (unless an additional base is
gained). This also pertains to the second or third out of a double or triple play.
Note—A dropped ball by the receiver is an error if the runner would have been out.
f. When a ball is hit with such force, so slowly or with erratic spin that it would require
more than ordinary effort to play the ball.
g. When a fly ball is misjudged and the fielder cannot recover in time to make the play.
h. When a fielder drops a ball after running a considerable distance or if she fails in her
attempt to catch the ball while running at a high rate of speed.
i. When a fielder drops a line drive after moving more than a few steps to catch the ball.
j. As a result of an illegal pitch, wild pitch, passed ball or hit batter, even if more than one
base is gained from the initial misplay.
k. When a runner advances on a dropped third strike. In such a case, a wild pitch or passed
ball shall be charged; however, if an accurate throw or proper catch would have resulted
in an out, an error shall be charged to the appropriate player.
l. When a pitcher mishandles a sharply batted ball. Wild throws and the mishandling of
routine ground balls and bunts are reason for charging the pitcher with an error.

[SEOhio]

Also, I know we were talking about fielding percentages and catchers, here is a whole list of how to score a putout for those who keep track of those in HS.

PUTOUT
SECTION 19. a. Credit a putout to a fielder who catches a fly ball or line drive, tags out a
runner or tags the base to force out the runner.
b. Credit a putout to the catcher in the following instances:
1. A legally caught third strike.
2. The batter is called out for an illegally batted ball.
3. A batter is out on a third strike foul bunt.
4. A batter is out for being touched by her own fair batted ball while one or both feet
are completely out of the batter’s box or for stepping on home plate.
5. A batter is out for intentionally interfering with her own foul batted ball.
6. A batter interferes with the catcher.
7. A batter is out for batting out of order.
8. A batter-runner fails to touch first base after a base on balls.
9. A catcher steps on the plate with the ball in her possession with the bases loaded.
This includes a dropped third strike.
10. A runner is out for not advancing legally to home plate for the game-winning run.
11. A runner fails to touch home plate and makes no attempt to return. The catcher
properly appeals, and the runner is called out.

[SEOhio]

ERROR
SECTION 21. a. An error is charged against any fielder for each misplay (i.e., fielding, wild
throws, missed catches on good throws) that prolongs the life of a batter (causes one or
pitches to be thrown) or a runner or permits a runner to advance. This includes a
dropped foul ball unless it was allowed to drop intentionally to prevent a runner from
advancing.
b. A single error is charged even if more than one base is gained by a runner as a result of
the play.
c. An error shall be charged against any fielder when she catches a thrown ball or fields a
ground ball in time to put out any runner on a force play and fails to tag the base or the
runner, including a batter-runner on a play at first base.
d. An error shall be charged against any fielder whose throw takes an unnatural bounce,
touches a base or the pitcher’s plate, or touches a runner, a fielder or an umpire; thereby,
permitting any runner to advance. Apply this rule even when it appears to be an
injustice to a fielder whose throw was accurate. The scorer must account for every base
advanced by a runner.
e. If a throw is made to a base and more than one fielder could have received the throw
but neither did, an error is charged to the fielder who should have received the throw.
f. An error is charged to a fielder (including the catcher) committing obstruction when an
additional base is gained as a result of the obstruction.
g. An error is charged to a defensive player who collides with a fielder making the initial
catch on a fly ball that is dropped.

[ManitouDan2]

Few names of post season stuff got leaked out last night.. On page 1 of this thread I told you some of you are in for a rude awakening . It looks like they drew names out of a hat for some stuff . And I've got zero connection to anyone or any team . But again some girls who clearly , head and shoulders , clearly had better seasons than the award winners got left out . I know it cant be perfect , but it also shouldn't be horribly screwed up . Will make for good message board stuff for sure .