2018 Season Stats

[Ironman92]

I agree on put out. But shouldn't assists carry weight?

I’ve sat in 4 all league meetings and 4 all-District meetings....it’s slimy in there. Not sure I ever left one not shaking my head

[SEOhio]

" Boy that Suzie girl sure can catch those strike outs , she should be Defensive POY ".. I know sarcasm doesn't translate well to the net , but YES I'm being sarcastic . If a coach brings up putouts as a stat in arguing for a player to get recognition then they actually have no business being in the conversation. At least a Catcher or 1B .

Agreed

You actually go from agreeing that if a coach brings up a output as a stat in arguing for a player to get recognition then they actually shouldn’t be a conversation to trying to make a case for a player using the same stats as you said shouldn’t be. You also right away dismiss the catcher and 1st baseman which is entirely wrong. If you dismiss them, how can you justify attempting the infielders versus the outfielders. Clearly the infielder would have more opportunities unless they get equal time in both the infield and outfield. Clearly you are eliminating positions so that a certain player on the team wins the award. You eliminated it down to just a possibility of three players on the field winning the award which is totally unfair. With the way things go, I am sure it is someone’s kid who either has a name associated well in the community or has a coach as her mother or father. Is the fielding attempts/put out award from the conference or some made up award created this year for certain players? I guess time will tell with what awards you give.

[ColdHardTruth]

" Boy that Suzie girl sure can catch those strike outs , she should be Defensive POY ".. I know sarcasm doesn't translate well to the net , but YES I'm being sarcastic . If a coach brings up putouts as a stat in arguing for a player to get recognition then they actually have no business being in the conversation. At least a Catcher or 1B .

Agreed

You actually go from agreeing that if a coach brings up a output as a stat in arguing for a player to get recognition then they actually shouldn’t be a conversation to trying to make a case for a player using the same stats as you said shouldn’t be. You also right away dismiss the catcher and 1st baseman which is entirely wrong. If you dismiss them, how can you justify attempting the infielders versus the outfielders. Clearly the infielder would have more opportunities unless they get equal time in both the infield and outfield. Clearly you are eliminating positions so that a certain player on the team wins the award. You eliminated it down to just a possibility of three players on the field winning the award which is totally unfair. With the way things go, I am sure it is someone’s kid who either has a name associated well in the community or has a coach as her mother or father. Is the fielding attempts/put out award from the conference or some made up award created this year for certain players? I guess time will tell with what awards you give.

I have no say in anything. I'm just playing devils advocate and questioning things after i thought about it. Glad you're my number one fan though.

[SEOhio]

Agreed

You actually go from agreeing that if a coach brings up a output as a stat in arguing for a player to get recognition then they actually shouldn’t be a conversation to trying to make a case for a player using the same stats as you said shouldn’t be. You also right away dismiss the catcher and 1st baseman which is entirely wrong. If you dismiss them, how can you justify attempting the infielders versus the outfielders. Clearly the infielder would have more opportunities unless they get equal time in both the infield and outfield. Clearly you are eliminating positions so that a certain player on the team wins the award. You eliminated it down to just a possibility of three players on the field winning the award which is totally unfair. With the way things go, I am sure it is someone’s kid who either has a name associated well in the community or has a coach as her mother or father. Is the fielding attempts/put out award from the conference or some made up award created this year for certain players? I guess time will tell with what awards you give.

I have no say in anything. I'm just playing devils advocate and questioning things after i thought about it. Glad you're my number one fan though.

It is definitely concerning if you aren’t giving us the “Cold Hard Truth” that you aren’t a coach and you are just a parent having access to know the entire team’s stats about their fielding attempts and put outs. You were making judgement calls about other kids on your team to not include a catcher or 1st baseman in your stats. It just proves the point about the accuracy of your team’s stats. IF you are a parent and keeping track of those stats at your coaching chair in the stands, you need to just enjoy the game while the team does their very best to get the W. You just want to single kids out because you need your kid to get that pat on the back for these types of awards that they won’t get in the real world.

[SEOhio]

Agreed

You actually go from agreeing that if a coach brings up a output as a stat in arguing for a player to get recognition then they actually shouldn’t be a conversation to trying to make a case for a player using the same stats as you said shouldn’t be. You also right away dismiss the catcher and 1st baseman which is entirely wrong. If you dismiss them, how can you justify attempting the infielders versus the outfielders. Clearly the infielder would have more opportunities unless they get equal time in both the infield and outfield. Clearly you are eliminating positions so that a certain player on the team wins the award. You eliminated it down to just a possibility of three players on the field winning the award which is totally unfair. With the way things go, I am sure it is someone’s kid who either has a name associated well in the community or has a coach as her mother or father. Is the fielding attempts/put out award from the conference or some made up award created this year for certain players? I guess time will tell with what awards you give.

I have no say in anything. I'm just playing devils advocate and questioning things after i thought about it. Glad you're my number one fan though.

I get told that I am other driver’s #1 fan when I’m driving sometimes too.

[ColdHardTruth]

You actually go from agreeing that if a coach brings up a output as a stat in arguing for a player to get recognition then they actually shouldn’t be a conversation to trying to make a case for a player using the same stats as you said shouldn’t be. You also right away dismiss the catcher and 1st baseman which is entirely wrong. If you dismiss them, how can you justify attempting the infielders versus the outfielders. Clearly the infielder would have more opportunities unless they get equal time in both the infield and outfield. Clearly you are eliminating positions so that a certain player on the team wins the award. You eliminated it down to just a possibility of three players on the field winning the award which is totally unfair. With the way things go, I am sure it is someone’s kid who either has a name associated well in the community or has a coach as her mother or father. Is the fielding attempts/put out award from the conference or some made up award created this year for certain players? I guess time will tell with what awards you give.

I have no say in anything. I'm just playing devils advocate and questioning things after i thought about it. Glad you're my number one fan though.

I get told that I am other driver’s #1 fan when I’m driving sometimes too.

Sorry to disappoint you lol.

[Fonzie]

Postseason awards are absolutely useless. They translate into nothing 99.9% of the time. If a kid is worrying about stats to earn an INDIVIDUAL award, then they are playing for the wrong reasons. If a parent is bent out of shape over stats and INDIVIDUAL awards, then you need to take a step back and remember it is a team sport. The only STAT that means anything, is the Win and Loss column on the stat sheet for the team.

No I am not a coach, no I am not a parent. Once upon of time I won several of these postseason awards and can tell you first hand, they do not help you later in life. You want to go play college ball, they look at stats, and they will look at what you do in person. They will look to see if you were on successful teams and if you come from a winning culture.

In all honesty, in today's society of giving everyone a dang trophy, I can not believe they even allow individual awards. Sadly, I don't blame the kids, I blame the idiotic parents who are trying to relive their glory years through their kids.

[ColdHardTruth]

Postseason awards are absolutely useless. They translate into nothing 99.9% of the time. If a kid is worrying about stats to earn an INDIVIDUAL award, then they are playing for the wrong reasons. If a parent is bent out of shape over stats and INDIVIDUAL awards, then you need to take a step back and remember it is a team sport. The only STAT that means anything, is the Win and Loss column on the stat sheet for the team.

No I am not a coach, no I am not a parent. Once upon of time I won several of these postseason awards and can tell you first hand, they do not help you later in life. You want to go play college ball, they look at stats, and they will look at what you do in person. They will look to see if you were on successful teams and if you come from a winning culture.

In all honesty, in today's society of giving everyone a dang trophy, I can not believe they even allow individual awards. Sadly, I don't blame the kids, I blame the idiotic parents who are trying to relive their glory years through their kids.

Very well said. But let me ask you this, and before that troll jumps into my conversation again. Understand I'm asking as your opinion as a former player.

Did you not accept the award and enjoy the recognition às a teenager player? No kid should ever play just for a reward and it means nothing, your correct. But, so does Prom and people still dump $$$$$ into it every year.
Now that you're an adult you're mature enough to understand the award. But as a player was it something you looked forward to?

[SEOhio]

Postseason awards are absolutely useless. They translate into nothing 99.9% of the time. If a kid is worrying about stats to earn an INDIVIDUAL award, then they are playing for the wrong reasons. If a parent is bent out of shape over stats and INDIVIDUAL awards, then you need to take a step back and remember it is a team sport. The only STAT that means anything, is the Win and Loss column on the stat sheet for the team.

No I am not a coach, no I am not a parent. Once upon of time I won several of these postseason awards and can tell you first hand, they do not help you later in life. You want to go play college ball, they look at stats, and they will look at what you do in person. They will look to see if you were on successful teams and if you come from a winning culture.

In all honesty, in today's society of giving everyone a dang trophy, I can not believe they even allow individual awards. Sadly, I don't blame the kids, I blame the idiotic parents who are trying to relive their glory years through their kids.

Amen! I totally agree with your post!

[Gopher]

I have posted this before and it seems very fitting once again.

http://www.espn.com/espnw/video/1819195 ... n-trophies

[ManitouDan2]

My kid took a 3 wood to one award she got , wasnt a big award , just her way of saying I'll not accept being screwed . I couldnt argue . ( and before anyone wants to go all snowflake on me I'll say this - dont do it, unless you were there , and unless you know of what are commenting on , just dont do it )

[Proud_Pirate63]

My kid took a 3 wood to one award she got , wasnt a big award , just her way of saying I'll not accept being screwed . I couldnt argue . ( and before anyone wants to go all snowflake on me I'll say this - dont do it, unless you were there , and unless you know of what are commenting on , just dont do it )

Could she have just declined the award?

[SEOhio]

Postseason awards are absolutely useless. They translate into nothing 99.9% of the time. If a kid is worrying about stats to earn an INDIVIDUAL award, then they are playing for the wrong reasons. If a parent is bent out of shape over stats and INDIVIDUAL awards, then you need to take a step back and remember it is a team sport. The only STAT that means anything, is the Win and Loss column on the stat sheet for the team.

No I am not a coach, no I am not a parent. Once upon of time I won several of these postseason awards and can tell you first hand, they do not help you later in life. You want to go play college ball, they look at stats, and they will look at what you do in person. They will look to see if you were on successful teams and if you come from a winning culture.

In all honesty, in today's society of giving everyone a dang trophy, I can not believe they even allow individual awards. Sadly, I don't blame the kids, I blame the idiotic parents who are trying to relive their glory years through their kids.

Very well said. But let me ask you this, and before that troll jumps into my conversation again. Understand I'm asking as your opinion as a former player.

Did you not accept the award and enjoy the recognition às a teenager player? No kid should ever play just for a reward and it means nothing, your correct. But, so does Prom and people still dump $$$$$ into it every year.
Now that you're an adult you're mature enough to understand the award. But as a player was it something you looked forward to?

Hey, we get to see how childish a man can get when people don't agree with their personal agendas and started calling me names. I am sure you start calling people names in Walmart because they don't agree with you also because that is how adults handle situations. Everyone can clearly see through your own words that you are on a mission to recognize a teenage player that requires the need for a reward to play a sport and have something to look forward to. You need to teach them to be mature and work harder to make the TEAM better and stand out for a conference award by the other coaches. We just don't create an award for each person in the real world or the work place just because they came to work everyday or doing what they enjoy. You reasoning about prom is completely off topic because it isn't a sport and anything team related. You are just reaching for whatever so make to personal agenda ok and obviously with the other posts are in agreement that your awards and stats are wrong. I can't believe your AD would even approve these types of awards or if he/she even knows.

[ManitouDan2]

? not sure , dont recall how it was delivered , she would have had zero issue with it going to a team mate . Like I said , unless you knew what went down I'm sure the act doesnt appear proper , but you were not there .

[SEOhio]

With over 1,300 views on this thread, people get to see the antics of why season stats and individual awards don't belong in TEAM sports. Each conference recognizes great players and the need to eliminate the "cheerleader" or "way to go but not for the team" award for personal reasons is crystal clear. School administrators and boards needs to be made aware of things happening for personal reasons because they are coaching the sport for the wrong reason.

[Proud_Pirate63]

? not sure , dont recall how it was delivered , she would have had zero issue with it going to a team mate . Like I said , unless you knew what went down I'm sure the act doesnt appear proper , but you were not there .

No I wasn’t there, but I didn’t address the act either. I just asked if she had the opportunity to decline the award. Not judging, just asking a question.

[linedrive]

I agree that the conference awards don't really hold very much weight outside of their High School careers but I think everyone that has ever received them truly ejoyed it at the time and that's where these girls are now. They are just something the players can look back on and say "I accomplished that" but I think what most are saying is the way that it's done a lot of times. Awards are always going to be given and yes certain people, parents and coaches are going to say things like "these awards don't mean anything" and "this doesn't define who you are" etc...
It's like saying "money don't buy happiness". Who's saying it... someone with or without it?
Do they truly believe that themselves? Do the coaches tell the players that to make it easier to give the awards to who they choose vs who truly earned it... or fudge the #s to justify their actions? You better believe it happens.
If they don't mean anything, then why do a lot of coaches do it the way they do it? Why do they give to the upperclassman when the Freshman or Sophmore clearly had better #s? (If #s were not fudged of course)
The awards mean the most to these players when they're NOT given what they rightfully earned.
If a coach is that type of coach... they are truly a sorry excuse for one.

[SEOhio]

I agree that the conference awards don't really hold very much weight outside of their High School careers but I think everyone that has ever received them truly ejoyed it at the time and that's where these girls are now. They are just something the players can look back on and say "I accomplished that" but I think what most are saying is the way that it's done a lot of times. Awards are always going to be given and yes certain people, parents and coaches are going to say things like "these awards don't mean anything" and "this doesn't define who you are" etc...
It's like saying "money don't buy happiness". Who's saying it... someone with or without it?
Do they truly believe that themselves? Do the coaches tell the players that to make it easier to give the awards to who they choose vs who truly earned it... or fudge the #s to justify their actions? You better believe it happens.
If they don't mean anything, then why do a lot of coaches do it the way they do it? Why do they give to the upperclassman when the Freshman or Sophmore clearly had better #s? (If #s were not fudged of course)
The awards mean the most to these players when they're NOT given what they rightfully earned.
If a coach is that type of coach... they are truly a sorry excuse for one.

Some coaches and parents feel that they need it because they need the pat on the back for playing and encouraging them to continue. It is like an employer giving you a cookie for deciding to get out of bed and come to work that day. It is ridiculous and then some people get mad when their personal agenda is brought out into the light for the community to see. I agree there are poor excuses for coaches out there so some great ones also.

[linedrive]

Totally agree SEOhio.

[SEOhio]

Totally agree SEOhio.

Im glad that many people have the same beliefs as I do. I think it is stupid that they create these feel good awards just because they need to feed their desire to make a player happy. The awards are hand picked usually by last name or a relative to a coach. If they can’t find an award then they eliminate players so the person they want get it does. Stats are so overrated and manipulated. Things need to change because the real world is going to be a rude awakening once they graduate and mom/dad can’t just go in and get a job as their boss so they don’t get their feelings hurt. I think the video speaks words and I know a few who needs to watch it.