What’s the holdup on releasing the SOC all conference teams ?

[Prime Time]

Personally I feel like every team in conference should have at least one or two kids on team. One team should not have half there team on it. No matter what one fan base believes is right . The same argument can be made from all other teams that one team thinks they deserve there whole team on it. That’s no where close to being right. All kids put in the work and should be recognized from that team equally divided among the league teams. seen this before and Coachs from conference knows the best since they are around kids every day.

[Prime Time]

Don’t understand the shady coach quote and all kids work to make a team and should all be treated equally. Numbers don’t mean everything

[smurray]

Most, if not all schools are out for the summer, baseball and softball heading to the final four, banquets have been completed and they can’t announce all league!!! INSANE

[Prime Time]

What about giving a trophy to all team members since it’s a team game.

[ManitouDan2]

Yeah participation trophies thats a great idea .. Good Lord .

[SEOhio]

All kids put in the work and should be recognized from that team equally divided among the league teams. seen this before and Coachs from conference knows the best since they are around kids every day.

This is what is wrong with team sports these days thinking since all kids put in the work then they deserve something. I agree this is a parent who coaches their kid at the HS level. They think they know best since they are around their kids. They shouldn’t be able to coach or vote for their kid at this level. School boards shouldn’t allow this to happen if they want successful programs that WIN. If they want par or sub-par seasons then they should continue to let this happen. These participation trophies and awards are ruining the sport.

[ManitouDan2]

Feel like I'm kicking a dead horse but does the SOC1/SOC2 have a commissioner or president ? I'm curious to who is holding up the awards from being released . The only excuse out there that is even remotely plausible is Minford is still alive in baseball . But that would be just dumb to have a rule that says softball conference awards cant be released til baseball is over . 2 different sports , they have zero to do with one another . Why would be accomplished by waiting ?

[ManitouDan2]

Graduations have happened , teams have end of season banquets , Summer travel ball has started , but no conference awards released .

[rxburgfan]

I've said it a couple times . I think its worth repeating . I dont have any dog in this argument / discussion ( I dont coach anywhere either) . Its my own belief the best players who had the best year should be recognized for it . Its that simple . Period . But this year , among many years of nonsensical voting , Syd Spence didnt win Pitcher of the Year , Coach Ruby did not win Coach of the year . And as an impartial observer it makes the league and its voting coaches look silly or jealous or whatever adjective you wish to use . Burg went undefeated with a crazy young team in a year where other teams were supposed to catch them . They pretty much destroyed the competition even though they started nearly a new team . So how can the pitcher who didnt lose not win the pitcher award ? how can a coach with a new roster go undefeated and not win the coach award ? It doesnt take a math genius to add the 2 plus 2 to get 4 . Sad stuff really . Until SOME , not everyone , SOME get called out you will continue to see this . Make the votes public at the meeting ( to the coaches) , the behind the doors , water cooler stuff will be exposed . It probably wont stop it but at least you know who the culprits are .

Good posts. Awards are challenging. Some are cut and dry. Others may be a little unclear. But coaches need to enter the discussion with what’s the best decisions for the players and the game. That certainly wasn’t done given that COY was not Wheelersburg. Then define what criteria goes into COY. If winning the league doesn’t do it what does. Basically the other coaches take it away from the deserving coach because they “won it several times”. Let’s see Waverly win league next season and their coach not get selected COY. They decide that NW coach really wanted to win COY so they give it to them. It should be embarrassing to all the coaches to lower the standard. And we wonder why kids demand lower standards. Coaches help to lower the bar.

[ManitouDan2]

Its one thing to say " well Burg had 3-4 D1 players who were juniors/ seniors and won the conference, any coach could do that " Its another to take a group of freshman and soph's in a league where other teams got older and more experienced and make several key moves that produced an undefeated season . Her best player was a freshman . Her pitcher had not threw any ( or a few a most ) HS innings period . But the voting coaches think someone else did a more outstanding job ? Maybe its simple sexism , they dont like getting it handed to them year after year after year from a lady . Or jealousy . Either way its ugly behavior .

[fbnut]

Its one thing to say " well Burg had 3-4 D1 players who were juniors/ seniors and won the conference, any coach could do that " Its another to take a group of freshman and soph's in a league where other teams got older and more experienced and make several key moves that produced an undefeated season . Her best player was a freshman . Her pitcher had not threw any ( or a few a most ) HS innings period . But the voting coaches think someone else did a more outstanding job ? Maybe its simple sexism , they dont like getting it handed to them year after year after year from a lady . Or jealousy . Either way its ugly

[Browns30]

Great coaches teach their players there’s no “I” in team. Great players understand that and put the “we” over the “me”. Maybe that’s why Ruby and Burg didn’t get the votes because they didn’t care. They were worried about being successful as a TEAM. And they were.

[fbnut]

Great coaches teach their players there’s no “I” in team. Great players understand that and put the “we” over the “me”. Maybe that’s why Ruby and Burg didn’t get the votes because they didn’t care. They were worried about being successful as a TEAM. And they were.

So what were the other coaches thinking when they voted?

[Browns30]

Great coaches teach their players there’s no “I” in team. Great players understand that and put the “we” over the “me”. Maybe that’s why Ruby and Burg didn’t get the votes because they didn’t care. They were worried about being successful as a TEAM. And they were.

So what were the other coaches thinking when they voted?

They were voting for who they were asked to vote for.

[ManitouDan2]

Going to be even more controversial when they do release . You cant assign this to anything but a concerted effort to avoid picking the very obvious choices for Pitcher and Coach of the year. Its just sad .

[fbnut]

Great coaches teach their players there’s no “I” in team. Great players understand that and put the “we” over the “me”. Maybe that’s why Ruby and Burg didn’t get the votes because they didn’t care. They were worried about being successful as a TEAM. And they were.

So what were the other coaches thinking when they voted?

They were voting for who they were asked to vote for.

I don’t know how this works. So as a coach you don’t vote for who you think is deserving but for who your told to vote for?

[Browns30]

Isn’t that the “water cooler” talk everyone is referring to?. I don’t know, ask one of the coaches..

[Prime Time]

Well whoever is coach and player of the year. I congratulate both of you , don’t let negative posts take away from your accomplishment , just because a few believe other wise and wow these posts are kinda of crazy, I see now why it hasn’t been posted.Heres a idea let the fans vote next year like baseball does all star game. there’s always two sides to every story and To say coach’s got together is a stretch in my eyes. SOC 1 and 2. You r teams are suppose to be for each other’s accomplishments and applaud the winners and move on.

[ManitouDan2]

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of this is for good men to do nothing.” I paraphrased a 1968 quote from a famous parliamentarian but my point is unless someone speaks up and encourages the coaches to do a more fair job of selecting the conference awards you will keep getting these choices where it certainly looks like politics and who you know played more in the decision than did on field performance . And that shouldnt be . But Prime Time actually suggested participation trophies so I'd guess his/her opinion is strongly in the minority .

[Prime Time]

Everyone has a opinion, you have yours, I have mine( which is congrats to the winners) coach’s have there’s, everyone has a opinion. But in the end the picks were made and so be it. Next year is another year.you don’t have a vote, I don’t have a vote so it’s our opinions and that’s life fair or u nfair.you move on with grace and work for next year in high school or college or just plain life. good luck to all athletes in SOC keep workin toward the goal.