2019 SOC 1

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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by beaverlover » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:26 pm

ManitouDan2 wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:19 pm
Going to be tough on the girls side for sure .. they cant compete in softball in the 2 , and basketball will be tough .
I like the move for basketball,just bad timing on year they go in as next year will be a down year compared to last few . but all other sports will struggle to get wins for sure.



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by Softballfan76 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:42 pm

Couple days into the season...any word on turnouts for the schools?



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by BobcatBall » Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:58 pm

Softballfan76 wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:42 pm
Couple days into the season...any word on turnouts for the schools?
Green has 20 girls this season. Looking to have Varsity and JV Squads for the first time in school history.



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by SoftballGirl » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:18 am

Hearing Clay had their first practice outside last week and may have the numbers for a JV team.



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by Tartanblue » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:46 pm

BobcatBall wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:58 pm
Softballfan76 wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:42 pm
Couple days into the season...any word on turnouts for the schools?
Green has 20 girls this season. Looking to have Varsity and JV Squads for the first time in school history.
I thought Green had a JV team around 07-09? I could be wrong and just played a couple JV games though.



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by Claypanthers19 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:37 am

SoftballGirl wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:18 am
Hearing Clay had their first practice outside last week and may have the numbers for a JV team.
Yes we have numbers now but I fear for the younger players our program is falling, Eastern hired the Felts coach for Jr high and Varsity in a means to pull a Burg and get his daughter to come out there to play. I seen her pitch at an indoor hit day against burg Jr.Varsity and was sitting them down the younger girls travel forums call her top 4 in southern ohio ??????? They allowed the little league district guy to take over Clay Jr. High



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by ManitouDan2 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:00 am

I really laughed at " pulled a Burg" .. what total nonsense . Burgs softball talent is largely , maybe exclusively home grown. Really a stupid , jealous comment.



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by Softballdad » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:19 pm

Who is Felts that is a top 4 player? Never heard that named mentioned on here.



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by SOSoftball » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:50 am

Claypanthers19 wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:37 am
SoftballGirl wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:18 am
Hearing Clay had their first practice outside last week and may have the numbers for a JV team.
Yes we have numbers now but I fear for the younger players our program is falling, Eastern hired the Felts coach for Jr high and Varsity in a means to pull a Burg and get his daughter to come out there to play. I seen her pitch at an indoor hit day against burg Jr.Varsity and was sitting them down the younger girls travel forums call her top 4 in southern ohio ??????? They allowed the little league district guy to take over Clay Jr. High
Since my last post got deleted I will try to be a little more civil this time.

Not sure how a program is falling apart when there are 18 kids on the High School team and 14 kids on the middle school team. That's 32 kids in a program for a small school like Clay I think is great. You have 20+ kids involved in the program from grades 7-9. Sounds like someone isn't happy with what his/her role was or wasn't going to be and decided to bash the program before he left.



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by beaverlover » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:59 am

Any SOC 1 teams had scrimmages yet? Results? Eastern will scrimmage Minford tonight and Southeastern Wednesday



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by SOSoftball » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:55 pm

Clay and Green have games tomorrow at the scrimmages in West Portsmouth. Clay will play Logan Elm and Coal Grove. Green will play Portsmouth and Piketon.



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by mglight88 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:05 pm

Scrimmage at Minford
Eastern Pike 1
Minford 19



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by Moses Guthrie » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:59 am

SOSoftball wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:50 am
Claypanthers19 wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:37 am
SoftballGirl wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:18 am
Hearing Clay had their first practice outside last week and may have the numbers for a JV team.
Yes we have numbers now but I fear for the younger players our program is falling, Eastern hired the Felts coach for Jr high and Varsity in a means to pull a Burg and get his daughter to come out there to play. I seen her pitch at an indoor hit day against burg Jr.Varsity and was sitting them down the younger girls travel forums call her top 4 in southern ohio ??????? They allowed the little league district guy to take over Clay Jr. High
Since my last post got deleted I will try to be a little more civil this time.

Not sure how a program is falling apart when there are 18 kids on the High School team and 14 kids on the middle school team. That's 32 kids in a program for a small school like Clay I think is great. You have 20+ kids involved in the program from grades 7-9. Sounds like someone isn't happy with what his/her role was or wasn't going to be and decided to bash the program before he left.
I can appreciate you being more professional in your follow up post, however your original response was dead on. Lol



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by KSW » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:39 am

ManitouDan2 wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:00 am
I really laughed at " pulled a Burg" .. what total nonsense . Burgs softball talent is largely , maybe exclusively home grown. Really a stupid , jealous comment.
Their CB numbers for this year would make one think this is not entirely true. 31 is one of the highest in DIII.



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by ManitouDan2 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:54 am

I dont even know what that means .. 31 .. I know this , Howard, Coleman , Cunningham , Dempsey , and a long long list of other tremendous former and current players are all homegrown. In softball should be zero whining about Burg transfers . You can argue football, hoops , other sports all you want , but this the softball board and Burg hasnt had to use a single transfer to get where they are , and to won what they have won already. I'm not saying they havent had a transfer , I'm saying their home grown talent is the reason they are where they are .



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by SOSoftball » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:51 pm

Your behind the times Dan. Competitive Balance was put in place to help public schools compete more fairly with private schools. You look at a teams roster and determine if players are a tier 0, tier 1 or a tier 2. In simple terms if a player lives in the school district then they are a Tier 0 player, if a player does not live in the district but has been continuously enrolled in the school since 7th grade they are a Tier 1 player, and if a player does not live in the district and has not been continuously enrolled in the school since 7th grade then they are a Tier 3 player. Tier 0 counts as 0 points, Tier 1 counts as 1 point per player and Tier 3 counts as 5 points per player.

Wheelersburg OHSAA enrollment shows them with 149 girls but with their competitive balance number at 31 it takes them up to 180 "girls enrolled". In essence it could place teams in a higher division if they have a lot of players on the team that have transferred into the school system.

Out of 187 teams in Division 3 Wheelersburg has the 4th highest competitive balance number with 31. In theory if all their transfers were Tier 1 players they could have 31 players on the roster that transferred in. We know that is unlikely and some of them are Tier 2 players. So again in theory you could have as few as 7 girls on the roster that transferred in and as many as 31.

Below are the competitive balance numbers for other SOC schools.

SOC 2
Waverly - 38
Wheelersburg - 31
South Webster - 11
Minford - 5
West - 4
Valley -3
Northwest - 0
Oakhill - 0


SOC 1
East - 27
Clay - 25
Notre Dame - 11
New Boston 7
Western - 5
Green - 2
Eastern - 1
Symmes Valley - 1



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by ColdHardTruth » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:00 pm

I think they are looking at one class only from Burg and concluding that everyone on the team is a transfer.
Burgs Jr Class has a few transfers from Portsmouth, Notre Dame then the girl from Oak Hill.
But on a team of 25+ thats just a direct few.

I guess the question is at what age is a kid considered home grown vs being a transplant?



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by ColdHardTruth » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:01 pm

I wonder if where East is a community school now all their players are considered a higher tier?



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by SOSoftball » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:06 pm

ColdHardTruth wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:01 pm
I wonder if where East is a community school now all their players are considered a higher tier?
Not sure...I was quite surprised at their number. Because of the odd number (27) they are going to have a mix of Tier 1's and 2's.



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by ManitouDan2 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:36 pm

FWIW Im familiar with competive balance , I wasn’t sure what the number 31 meant ... anyway burgs talent that caused them to dominate the conference is home grown . period . No explanation needed .



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by SOSoftball » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:00 pm

I'll take your word on the homegrown players as I am not real familiar with most of Wheelersburg's roster. But if that is the case there are a lot of transfers sitting on the bench.



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by ManitouDan2 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:33 pm

I’m open to be checked on it , but burg had zero or 1 transfer starting on the team that played in back to back state finals . Is that 31 number a number that relates to girls sports ? Maybe other athletic teams have transfer that contribute ? Idk



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by ManitouDan2 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:35 pm

The Klieper ( sp ? ) girl from Ironton was the only contributor on those team i believe .. she was a 3b .



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by SOSoftball » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:51 pm

It is a number posted on OHSAA's website for each school. I will try to find the link. That number is specific to softball. Each sport has different numbers applied to each tier. I think in football a tier 2 athlete is 3 points not 5 like softball. They also only include the girls on the roster for competitive balance numbers...not girls in the entire school. So the 149 number is girls enrolled in school and then the 31 is only applied from the roster submitted to the state. The school is supplying the number/information to OHSAA.



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Re: 2019 SOC 1

Post by beaverlover » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:03 pm

Scrimmages tonight...
Eastern @ Southeastern
Valley @ Western



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