SHOULD THE BIG EAST BE KNOCKED OUT OF THE BCS AUTO BID?

[1987chieftains]

what do you guys think? i mean outside of basketball what traditional football power does the big east have? every 10 to 15 yrs they may have a teams that come and go but nothing year in and out. i know the whole Boise, Utah and TCU doesn't play anyone thing. but, who does the big east powers play. i'm sure over the last 10yrs the big east schedules have been no worse then the three outsiders.
look at who PITT has played over the yrs.
Rutgers
Temple
Furman
Ohio
UAB
Youngstown State
Citadel
Grambling State
Eastern Michigan
New Hampshire
Florida International
and Utah which has beaten PITT both times they played.
look at this yrs schedules of PITT and TCU.
PITT
@Utah L 27-24 OT
New Hampshire W 38-16
#19 Miami (FL) L 31-3
Florida International W 44-17
Notre Dame L 23-17
Syracuse W 45-14
Rutgers W 41-21
Louisville W 20-3
Connecticut L 30-28
South Florida
West Virginia
Cincinnati

now TCU
#24 Oregon State* W 30-21
Tennessee Tech W 62-7
Baylor W 45-10
Southern Methodist W 41-24
Colorado State W 27-0
Wyoming W 45-0
Brigham Young W 31-3
Air Force W 38-7
UNLV W 48-6
#5 Utah W 47-7
San Diego State W 40-35
New Mexico

yes, every school plays cream puffs. so why the big differents in these 3 schools? if they want to play with the big boys let them.
for the big east. if i was the BCS i'd tell the big east, you got 1 yr to turn it around or your conference looses its auto bid.

[bigtimehitter]

ABSOLUTELY. I seen BCS bowl predictions where Pitt is projected to play I believe in the Fiesta. It is truly incredible to me that a conference that weak gets an automatic bid. If weere going to involve the Big East, we might as well throw in the MAC. The Big East has no right to an automatic bid. Period.

[farmer]

Without getting into the who they play any team that has 3 losses should not receive an automatic bid.

Some leagues go up and down. The ACC was very weak before and has gotten a little better. The Big East had some good teams for a few years but have dropped back down. You can not know what will happen year after year then for the next 5 years. Some of the mid major schools may get a good group of players who maybe able to pull an upset on a good team. As well as a team may go on a slide after being good. As well as some teams like Oklahoma last year losing players to injuries went from maybe a BCS team to not very good. Also this year North Carolina had a very talented team only to have many players subject to NCAA investigation.

One easy fix to part of the problem is if you play a school from a BCS subdivision school you take yourself out of the BCS Bowls. There are other ways but one thing is some schools can not afford to travel all over because of funds. That is why some schools play some of the cream puffs so they can fund other sports. Now there are big schools dropping other sports. As California dropping baseball and other sports teams for the upcoming year.

[1987chieftains]

but is the big east really worthy of this every yr?
Fiesta bowl
(BCS vs. BCS) Nebraska vs. Pittsburgh
this is the current bowl/BCS projection. PITT and Neb?? really?
the big east has a team that is as good as Neb?

look at 2003 to 2009 yrs of the big east games again their BCS opp.

Cincinnati
2008 Orange Bowl
(BCS vs. BCS) Virginia Tech L 20-7
2009 ALLSTATE SUGAR BOWL
(BCS vs. BCS) Florida L 51-24

Louisville
2006 Orange Bowl
(BCS vs. BCS) Wake Forest W 24-13

PITT
2004 Fiesta Bowl
(BCS vs. BCS) Utah L 35-7

West Virgina
2005 Sugar Bowl
(BCS vs. BCS) Georgia W 38-35
2007 Fiesta Bowl
(BCS vs. BCS) Oklahoma W 48-28

how does the BCS tell a TCU, Boise St or any 1 loss team sorry we have to make room for the big east and there team 8-4 PITT.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Conference tie-ins should be eliminated as a whole,
It won't happen, because of the almighty dollar.

There are 5 BCS bowls counting the title game,
The ten best teams in the country, as determined by the BCS formula, should be playing in these games. It shouldn't matter what conference you are in, or how many teams get in from each conference.

If a conference doesn't get a team in the top 10, then that's on the teams in that conference, it shouldn't punish a conference that has 3 or even 4 teams in the top 10.

[1987chieftains]

i agree dubs. scrap the best of each conference thing and just pick top 10 BCS ranked teams.

[GoBuckeyes2786]

^ I agree 100% dubs! I've said forever ther should be no auto qualifiers and it should be the top 10 teams in the final BCS standings. It's not fair to teams to be held from a bcs game due to the auto bids who finish outside the top 10. As well there shouldn't be a conference limit of 2 teams. Over the years it's kept good teams from a premier bowl game and simply isn't fair... Such as this year it's likely that Boise state and Stanford get jipped out of the BCS due to Pitt and va tech's auto bid. It's also possible for bama or Michigan st to finish in the top 10 and not get a bcs game because of conference limits.

[JChipwood]

^^ AGREED!

[JChipwood]

Last year nobody from the ACC was BCS worthy and Cincy was the only elig BigEast contender with 3 weeks left in the regular season regardless of the Pitt game, Pitt just wasn't a top 15 team last year. Cincy, however, made it in on playing in the weak conference and having a perceived SOS that turned out to be a farse. Less emphasis on uncomparable SOS would be nice also. Some say since the big dogs play some no names that it justifies Utah, BSU, and TCU schedule. NONSENSE, it is one thing to play a couple or even a few cupcakes but to play 12 of them is nuts. But if we throw out the automatic bids I think the coaches and media take their votes a little more seriously and help override the SOS and non-human element issues with the computers. The top ten teams usually are deserving of their rankings and should get the BCS bids.

[Raiderball]

87chieftan you list the results of the last 6 BCS bowl games played by the Big East. Over that time the Big East is 3-3 in those games with 2 of those wins coming against champions of the Big12 and SEC. How do you justify taking away an auto bid from a conference with those results?

I don't like bowl tie ins or automatic BCS qualifiers either... and while we're at it the preseason polls should be done away with. Preseason polls do nothing but give those teams starting at the top an unfair advantage over those not..... I guess it gives fans something to talk about also. IMO until you do away with these polls you must keep the auto qualifiers and limit 2 teams from a conference.

Bowl tie ins..... do away with them. Open it up and maybe we get a chance to see some match ups we don't normally get to see.

[Mark May]

No

[Orange and Brown]

32 team playoff solves the problem!

[1987chieftains]

32 team playoff solves the problem!

i would agree. but not 32 teams. maybe model it after the stag bowl/DIII

87chieftan you list the results of the last 6 BCS bowl games played by the Big East. Over that time the Big East is 3-3 in those games with 2 of those wins coming against champions of the Big12 and SEC. How do you justify taking away an auto bid from a conference with those results?

I don't like bowl tie ins or automatic BCS qualifiers either... and while we're at it the preseason polls should be done away with. Preseason polls do nothing but give those teams starting at the top an unfair advantage over those not..... I guess it gives fans something to talk about also. IMO until you do away with these polls you must keep the auto qualifiers and limit 2 teams from a conference.

Bowl tie ins..... do away with them. Open it up and maybe we get a chance to see some match ups we don't normally get to see.

my point was over that time the big east has only been 500%. look back at what teams probably should have been in there place. teams that are posting better season records, higher rankings then the big east teams and playing in more top notch conferences.
think about it this way, if the planet are all a lined and on a full moon kinda thing.
#1 ranked 12-0 Oregon vs #11 ranked 10-2 Bama or
#1 ranked 12-0 Oregon vs not ranked 8-4 PITT
which match up would draw more fans, more spot light and more $$$$$.
and with that this yrs bowl projections which match up would draw more fans, interest and $$$$,
11-1 Neb vs 8-4 PITT or
11-1 Neb vs 12-0 TCU, Boise St or 1 of the other 8 11-1 teams?
in short the big east isn't producing football powers, so why allow them an auto bid into the BCS? why not let the TCU, Boise St's of the FCS play? or give a more deserving team the opening.

[Raiderball]

87 chieftan
Over that time the Big East has only been .500........ what are the percentages of the other qualifying conferences?

Another thing... you pick and choose the games on Pitt schedule that makes your argument look good. I'm sure Pitt has several quality games on their schedule over those years. Take any other BCS team and you can make the same argument about their schedule.

2005 WVU 11-1
2006 Louiville 12-1 (WVU 11-2, Rutgers 11-2) All 3 teams ranked in top 10 during this year.
2007 WVU 11-2

Is Indiana, Minnesota, Virginia, Duke, Vanderbilt, Baylor, Iowa St, Kentucky, Washington St any better than bottom feeders in the Big East?

[Black Panther]

87 chieftan
Over that time the Big East has only been .500........ what are the percentages of the other qualifying conferences?

Another thing... you pick and choose the games on Pitt schedule that makes your argument look good. I'm sure Pitt has several quality games on their schedule over those years. Take any other BCS team and you can make the same argument about their schedule.

2005 WVU 11-1
2006 Louiville 12-1 (WVU 11-2, Rutgers 11-2) All 3 teams ranked in top 10 during this year.
2007 WVU 11-2

Is Indiana, Minnesota, Virginia, Duke, Vanderbilt, Baylor, Iowa St, Kentucky, Washington St any better than bottom feeders in the Big East?

I agree with you on this one Raiderball! Should be a good game the Friday after Thanksgiving! Maybe instead of Black Friday it can be Blue and Gold Friday! Our shade of course

[Raiderball]

I expect it to be a low scoring game.

What's the story on Romeus(sp)?

[Raiderball]

Might be old news but I just read a good article in Sports Illustrated about the BCS and bowl games. The financial loss some schools take due to guaranteed ticket sales and transportation costs to the games is unbelievable. Iowa had to pay for tickets (at regular price $65) for their band to perform at last years bowl game. 346 band members totaling $22,490... and the game wasn't even sold out.
The big winners are the bowls and those running them. Sugar Bowl CEO made $607,000 in 2007. Sugar Bowl finished 2007 with $37 million assets and turned in $11.6 million profit while receiving tax free not for profit status. Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl (WTF that is) executive director $377, 475.
Cincinnati $24 million in debt after playing in BCS bowls the past two years.
Two years ago Western Michigan lost over $462,000 before travel and lodging expenses. 2007 Chick fil a bowl generated over $12 mil but paid out only $5.9 mil. A pretty good profit for the bowl.
I understand these are only those discussed in the article and could be those at the extremes but it does present a pretty good argument for a play off system to be put in place for I-A football.
The article quotes Jim Delany estimating an NFL style playoff would generate 3-4 times more than the current system does... $700-$800 million per year.
Take it for what it's worth.

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

I AIN'T READ NOBODY'S OPINION YET, CAUSE I WANTED TO GIVE MY UNBIASED OPINION FIRST.
and i say , if the wac, mountain west. don't have automatic bids, the big least. is definately pitiful. even last year when cincy was rolling , and florida, was half mast. they hammered the best of the big east , in the bearcats. you have the sun belt as well. and it's just woeful. as well as the mac, and c-usa.

[Raiderball]

I AIN'T READ NOBODY'S OPINION YET, CAUSE I WANTED TO GIVE MY UNBIASED OPINION FIRST.
and i say , if the wac, mountain west. don't have automatic bids, the big least. is definately pitiful. even last year whewn cincy was rolling , and florida, was half mast. the hammered the best of the big east , in the bearcats. you have the sun belt as well. and it's just woeful. as well as the mac, and c-usa.

You are basing your opinion on one year?
Big East record in BCS bowls is as good as or better than ACC.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Raiderball, that's a telling article, but you don't have to worry about losing money to play in bowl games when you are a school like OSU!

No problem selling the tickets, and no problem getting the band to the game!

As for the big east's .500 record in BCS games, they've performed decently when they've went, but there are schools that deserve to go more. If the more deserving school would have went instead, that win % against the same opponents might be .800 right now!