Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

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Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by VisionQuest » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:40 pm

Time to start a new page on this. That other thread has 21 pages!!! With 18 of those from last year. We are halfway through the season please post any thoughts on who you think the Frontrunner is and why.



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Post by Ironman92 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:47 pm

1. Maxfield
2. Baer
3. Kearns
4. Chubb
5. Arbaugh
6. Hynes

I have Maxfield over Chubb but it’s pretty close. Shooting % and defense. Maxfield shooting 54% and Chubb 38%



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by VisionQuest » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:03 pm

Ironman92 wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:47 pm
1. Maxfield
2. Baer
3. Kearns
4. Chubb
5. Arbaugh
6. Hynes

I have Maxfield over Chubb but it’s pretty close. Shooting % and defense. Maxfield shooting 54% and Chubb 38%
Good list!! I have:
1)Baer
2) Maxfield/Chubb
3)Kearns
4)Arbaugh
5)Mecum
Just to give some insight Ironman regarding FG% As far as Maxfield and Chubb goes from what I have witnessed it goes like this for every 10 shots-Maxfield 8 of 10 shots dribble drive for lay-ups or fast break lay-ups the other 2 shots 3 point attempts. Chubb I would say 5 of 10 shots mid-range jumpers 3 3 point attempts and 2 dribble drives. I know points are points but that would explain the difference. Not taking anything away from Maxfield cause that boy can sure finish at the rim and sometimes with Circus like moves.
I have Maxfield and Chubb tied because I need to see more. I also like the 1.5 blocks a game Chubb gets. I have to think that makes opponents leery of driving in there against him. Maxfield gets the most minutes but the 6’4” Chubb becomes the PG when Williams is out.



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by Ironman92 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:29 pm

VisionQuest wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:03 pm
Ironman92 wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:47 pm
1. Maxfield
2. Baer
3. Kearns
4. Chubb
5. Arbaugh
6. Hynes

I have Maxfield over Chubb but it’s pretty close. Shooting % and defense. Maxfield shooting 54% and Chubb 38%
Good list!! I have:
1)Baer
2) Maxfield/Chubb
3)Kearns
4)Arbaugh
5)Mecum
Just to give some insight Ironman regarding FG% As far as Maxfield and Chubb goes from what I have witnessed it goes like this for every 10 shots-Maxfield 8 of 10 shots dribble drive for lay-ups or fast break lay-ups the other 2 shots 3 point attempts. Chubb I would say 5 of 10 shots mid-range jumpers 3 3 point attempts and 2 dribble drives. I know points are points but that would explain the difference. Not taking anything away from Maxfield cause that boy can sure finish at the rim and sometimes with Circus like moves.
I have Maxfield and Chubb tied because I need to see more. I also like the 1.5 blocks a game Chubb gets. I have to think that makes opponents leery of driving in there against him. Maxfield gets the most minutes but the 6’4” Chubb becomes the PG when Williams is out.
I figured some of that but 16% is big and 38% is too low unless he’s only shooting 3’s. I watched him have to run the point vs Waverly’s pressure and that tough on the big guard. Warren clearly did the same. He’s doing what his team needs even though it’s not his position. That puts him close but still behind Maxfield.

If Baer can lead Meigs to a 2nd place finish over Alex and VC and Maxfield is still at 11 ppg...I will likely switch. Have to play it out.



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by VisionQuest » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:38 pm

Ironman92 wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:29 pm
VisionQuest wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:03 pm
Ironman92 wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:47 pm
1. Maxfield
2. Baer
3. Kearns
4. Chubb
5. Arbaugh
6. Hynes

I have Maxfield over Chubb but it’s pretty close. Shooting % and defense. Maxfield shooting 54% and Chubb 38%
Good list!! I have:
1)Baer
2) Maxfield/Chubb
3)Kearns
4)Arbaugh
5)Mecum
Just to give some insight Ironman regarding FG% As far as Maxfield and Chubb goes from what I have witnessed it goes like this for every 10 shots-Maxfield 8 of 10 shots dribble drive for lay-ups or fast break lay-ups the other 2 shots 3 point attempts. Chubb I would say 5 of 10 shots mid-range jumpers 3 3 point attempts and 2 dribble drives. I know points are points but that would explain the difference. Not taking anything away from Maxfield cause that boy can sure finish at the rim and sometimes with Circus like moves.
I have Maxfield and Chubb tied because I need to see more. I also like the 1.5 blocks a game Chubb gets. I have to think that makes opponents leery of driving in there against him. Maxfield gets the most minutes but the 6’4” Chubb becomes the PG when Williams is out.
I figured some of that but 16% is big and 38% is too low unless he’s only shooting 3’s. I watched him have to run the point vs Waverly’s pressure and that tough on the big guard. Warren clearly did the same. He’s doing what his team needs even though it’s not his position. That puts him close but still behind Maxfield.

If Baer can lead Meigs to a 2nd place finish over Alex and VC and Maxfield is still at 11 ppg...I will likely switch. Have to play it out.
All good points!!! I should have also put Seele from NY as my 7th player who should be on that list. These players are the ones really standing out to me in the TVC at mid/point.



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by VetteMan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:05 pm

I would have to pick Weston Baer. He can do anything that needs to be done. He can bring the ball up the court if need be, he can shoot the 3, he can dribble drive to the basket and finish at the rim, he has a great mid-range jump shot, plus hes a very good defensive player. With that being said, I don't think he will get it, because Meigs will not finish with a good enough record in the league.



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by Raider6309 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:02 am

Maxfield. I could almost guarantee Maxfield wins POTY. Baer will win it next year.



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by VetteMan » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:10 pm

Raider6309 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:02 am
Maxfield. I could almost guarantee Maxfield wins POTY. Baer will win it next year.
You very well could be right. It probably all depends on how high in the league that Meigs is able to finish.



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by SportsRule » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:05 pm

These topics are not good for the players to be reading.



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by VisionQuest » Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:25 pm

SportsRule wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:05 pm
These topics are not good for the players to be reading.
Can I ask your thought process on why there can’t be a discussion?



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by SportsRule » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:34 pm

Discuss all you want. I just said it’s not good for players to be reading.



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by Allthewayup11 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:49 pm

VisionQuest wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:03 pm
Ironman92 wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:47 pm
1. Maxfield
2. Baer
3. Kearns
4. Chubb
5. Arbaugh
6. Hynes

I have Maxfield over Chubb but it’s pretty close. Shooting % and defense. Maxfield shooting 54% and Chubb 38%
Good list!! I have:
1)Baer
2) Maxfield/Chubb
3)Kearns
4)Arbaugh
5)Mecum
Just to give some insight Ironman regarding FG% As far as Maxfield and Chubb goes from what I have witnessed it goes like this for every 10 shots-Maxfield 8 of 10 shots dribble drive for lay-ups or fast break lay-ups the other 2 shots 3 point attempts. Chubb I would say 5 of 10 shots mid-range jumpers 3 3 point attempts and 2 dribble drives. I know points are points but that would explain the difference. Not taking anything away from Maxfield cause that boy can sure finish at the rim and sometimes with Circus like moves.
I have Maxfield and Chubb tied because I need to see more. I also like the 1.5 blocks a game Chubb gets. I have to think that makes opponents leery of driving in there against him. Maxfield gets the most minutes but the 6’4” Chubb becomes the PG when Williams is out.
Great feedback Vision some things I didn’t consider. Appreciate the additional insight. Anyone have stats on Turnovers, steals and all the other things like 3 point percentage for the Athens team would be an interesting stat. I can’t imagine it would be too high for any of the team except maybe Markins and Butcher? Anyone know Free throw percentages? Those would all be key factors too in a tight race.

Also I think Seale should be in top 5. He has been an unexpected surprise mixed in with the usual suspects Baer, Arbaugh and Kearns. How’s Mecum stack up against Kearns?
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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by Ironman92 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:58 pm

Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:49 pm
VisionQuest wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:03 pm
Ironman92 wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:47 pm
1. Maxfield
2. Baer
3. Kearns
4. Chubb
5. Arbaugh
6. Hynes

I have Maxfield over Chubb but it’s pretty close. Shooting % and defense. Maxfield shooting 54% and Chubb 38%
Good list!! I have:
1)Baer
2) Maxfield/Chubb
3)Kearns
4)Arbaugh
5)Mecum
Just to give some insight Ironman regarding FG% As far as Maxfield and Chubb goes from what I have witnessed it goes like this for every 10 shots-Maxfield 8 of 10 shots dribble drive for lay-ups or fast break lay-ups the other 2 shots 3 point attempts. Chubb I would say 5 of 10 shots mid-range jumpers 3 3 point attempts and 2 dribble drives. I know points are points but that would explain the difference. Not taking anything away from Maxfield cause that boy can sure finish at the rim and sometimes with Circus like moves.
I have Maxfield and Chubb tied because I need to see more. I also like the 1.5 blocks a game Chubb gets. I have to think that makes opponents leery of driving in there against him. Maxfield gets the most minutes but the 6’4” Chubb becomes the PG when Williams is out.
Great feedback Vision some things I didn’t consider. Appreciate the additional insight. Anyone have stats on Turnovers, steals and all the other things like 3 point percentage for the Athens team would be an interesting stat. I can’t imagine it would be too high for any of the team except maybe Markins and Butcher? Anyone know Free throw percentages? Those would all be key factors too in the tight race as well.

Also I think Seale should be in top 5. He has been an unexpected surprise mixed in with the usual suspects Baer and Kearns.
They were listed on the old thread, that’s where I got the FG% from

Free throw %’s were bad (Maxfield 62%, Chubb 50% I think) 3 pt % wasn’t good.



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by Allthewayup11 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:37 pm

Ironman92 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:58 pm
Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:49 pm
VisionQuest wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:03 pm

Good list!! I have:
1)Baer
2) Maxfield/Chubb
3)Kearns
4)Arbaugh
5)Mecum
Just to give some insight Ironman regarding FG% As far as Maxfield and Chubb goes from what I have witnessed it goes like this for every 10 shots-Maxfield 8 of 10 shots dribble drive for lay-ups or fast break lay-ups the other 2 shots 3 point attempts. Chubb I would say 5 of 10 shots mid-range jumpers 3 3 point attempts and 2 dribble drives. I know points are points but that would explain the difference. Not taking anything away from Maxfield cause that boy can sure finish at the rim and sometimes with Circus like moves.
I have Maxfield and Chubb tied because I need to see more. I also like the 1.5 blocks a game Chubb gets. I have to think that makes opponents leery of driving in there against him. Maxfield gets the most minutes but the 6’4” Chubb becomes the PG when Williams is out.
Great feedback Vision some things I didn’t consider. Appreciate the additional insight. Anyone have stats on Turnovers, steals and all the other things like 3 point percentage for the Athens team would be an interesting stat. I can’t imagine it would be too high for any of the team except maybe Markins and Butcher? Anyone know Free throw percentages? Those would all be key factors too in the tight race as well.

Also I think Seale should be in top 5. He has been an unexpected surprise mixed in with the usual suspects Baer and Kearns.
They were listed on the old thread, that’s where I got the FG% from

Free throw %’s were bad (Maxfield 62%, Chubb 50% I think) 3 pt % wasn’t good.
Eek! Steals? Charges (i consider those steals) even though they don’t count that way in a score book. Hasn’t been as many this year. Only as a foul for the other team right? Lol. Think there has been a few taking charges this year between Maxfield, Markins and i think maybe Williams and Butcher?



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by Ironman92 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:00 pm

Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:37 pm
Ironman92 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:58 pm
Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:49 pm

Great feedback Vision some things I didn’t consider. Appreciate the additional insight. Anyone have stats on Turnovers, steals and all the other things like 3 point percentage for the Athens team would be an interesting stat. I can’t imagine it would be too high for any of the team except maybe Markins and Butcher? Anyone know Free throw percentages? Those would all be key factors too in the tight race as well.

Also I think Seale should be in top 5. He has been an unexpected surprise mixed in with the usual suspects Baer and Kearns.
They were listed on the old thread, that’s where I got the FG% from

Free throw %’s were bad (Maxfield 62%, Chubb 50% I think) 3 pt % wasn’t good.
Eek! Steals? Charges (i consider those steals) even though they don’t count that way in a score book. Hasn’t been as many this year. Only as a foul for the other team right? Lol. Think there has been a few taking charges this year between Maxfield, Markins and i think maybe Williams and Butcher?
The stats I viewed...nothing great jumped out. The 16% gap in FG % between Maxfield and Chubb I thought was a bit too big but know Chubb shoots more difficult shots and also has to play out of position a bit.

Defense is tough to judge in a zone. A lot of factors in all of this.



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by Allthewayup11 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:43 pm

Ironman92 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:00 pm
Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:37 pm
Ironman92 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:58 pm


They were listed on the old thread, that’s where I got the FG% from

Free throw %’s were bad (Maxfield 62%, Chubb 50% I think) 3 pt % wasn’t good.
Eek! Steals? Charges (i consider those steals) even though they don’t count that way in a score book. Hasn’t been as many this year. Only as a foul for the other team right? Lol. Think there has been a few taking charges this year between Maxfield, Markins and i think maybe Williams and Butcher?
The stats I viewed...nothing great jumped out. The 16% gap in FG % between Maxfield and Chubb I thought was a bit too big but know Chubb shoots more difficult shots and also has to play out of position a bit.

Defense is tough to judge in a zone. A lot of factors in all of this.
Makes sense



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by itsme » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:00 pm

Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:37 pm
Ironman92 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:58 pm
Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:49 pm

Great feedback Vision some things I didn’t consider. Appreciate the additional insight. Anyone have stats on Turnovers, steals and all the other things like 3 point percentage for the Athens team would be an interesting stat. I can’t imagine it would be too high for any of the team except maybe Markins and Butcher? Anyone know Free throw percentages? Those would all be key factors too in the tight race as well.

Also I think Seale should be in top 5. He has been an unexpected surprise mixed in with the usual suspects Baer and Kearns.
They were listed on the old thread, that’s where I got the FG% from

Free throw %’s were bad (Maxfield 62%, Chubb 50% I think) 3 pt % wasn’t good.
Eek! Steals? Charges (i consider those steals) even though they don’t count that way in a score book. Hasn’t been as many this year. Only as a foul for the other team right? Lol. Think there has been a few taking charges this year between Maxfield, Markins and i think maybe Williams and Butcher?
A charge is counted has a turnover



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Post by Allthewayup11 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:44 pm

itsme wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:00 pm
Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:37 pm
Ironman92 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:58 pm


They were listed on the old thread, that’s where I got the FG% from

Free throw %’s were bad (Maxfield 62%, Chubb 50% I think) 3 pt % wasn’t good.
Eek! Steals? Charges (i consider those steals) even though they don’t count that way in a score book. Hasn’t been as many this year. Only as a foul for the other team right? Lol. Think there has been a few taking charges this year between Maxfield, Markins and i think maybe Williams and Butcher?
A charge is counted has a turnover
So it counts as a turnover and a offensive foul?



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by Ironman92 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:51 pm

Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:44 pm
itsme wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:00 pm
Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:37 pm


Eek! Steals? Charges (i consider those steals) even though they don’t count that way in a score book. Hasn’t been as many this year. Only as a foul for the other team right? Lol. Think there has been a few taking charges this year between Maxfield, Markins and i think maybe Williams and Butcher?
A charge is counted has a turnover
So it counts as a turnover and a offensive foul?
Yeah, it’s a foul and you lose possession



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by 93Bulldog » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:21 am

Chubb/Maxfield still the favorite, IMO
Baer is right there ...

But ... If Alex beats Athens on 2/1 - and J.K. has another great game - the scrappy little PG will shoot to the top of odds makers boards as the favorite.



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by itsme » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:03 am

Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:44 pm
itsme wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:00 pm
Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:37 pm


Eek! Steals? Charges (i consider those steals) even though they don’t count that way in a score book. Hasn’t been as many this year. Only as a foul for the other team right? Lol. Think there has been a few taking charges this year between Maxfield, Markins and i think maybe Williams and Butcher?
A charge is counted has a turnover
So it counts as a turnover and a offensive foul?
Yes it does



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by Truth&fiction » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:15 am

itsme wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:03 am
Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:44 pm
itsme wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:00 pm


A charge is counted has a turnover
So it counts as a turnover and a offensive foul?
Yes it does
Does a Technical foul count as a TO ? Just asking I'm Not a stat person .



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by itsme » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:31 am

Truth&fiction wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:15 am
itsme wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:03 am
Allthewayup11 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:44 pm


So it counts as a turnover and a offensive foul?
Yes it does
Does a Technical foul count as a TO ? Just asking I'm Not a stat person .
Yes if you have possession of the ball. Even on a foul free throw if team that is shooting has a lane violation it should not be court has a shot but has a turnover.. Also if the other team has a lane violation on a free throw and player misses it is not court has a shot
a turnover occurs when a team loses a possession of the ball to opposing team before a player takes a shot at their team's basket. That why a smart coach gets a technical while other team has the ball



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by Truth&fiction » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:16 pm

Looks like Arbaugh making a statement tonight against Athens . 18 points at half . Athens as a team has only 15 . Maybe the best player may take a turn .



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Re: Possible POY TVC-OHIO 2018/2019

Post by Allthewayup11 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:23 pm

Truth&fiction wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:16 pm
Looks like Arbaugh making a statement tonight against Athens . 18 points at half . Athens as a team has only 15 . Maybe the best player may take a turn .
How much did he end up with? The radio cut out on me about 4 minutes left. Saw Vinton won by one Must have been a great game.



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