SOC2 2016

[GoBucks1047]

Soc 1
1. Oak Hill
2. East
3. Northwest
4. Notre Dame
5. Eastern Pike
6. Green

Soc 2
1. Burg
2. West
3. Valley
4. Waverly
5. Minford

Two Bold Predictions:
West surprises and has a solid team this year
Green will win a conference game

So I'm guessing you think Green will beat Symmes Valley, the 7th SOC I team, lol

[Mailman]

Soc 1
1. Oak Hill
2. East
3. Northwest
4. Notre Dame
5. Eastern Pike
6. Green

Soc 2
1. Burg
2. West
3. Valley
4. Waverly
5. Minford

Two Bold Predictions:
West surprises and has a solid team this year
Green will win a conference game

So I'm guessing you think Green will beat Symmes Valley, the 7th SOC I team, lol

Speaking of SOC 1 having 7 teams. Why? Especially when SOC 2 only has 5.

[fbnut]

no team in soc1 could consistently compete against the top 2-3 teams in soc2

[Mailman]

no team in soc1 could consistently compete against the top 2-3 teams in soc2

And the other 5-6 teams in soc1 can't "consistently" compete with the top 1-2 teams in soc1. Seems to me they are punishing 5-6 teams for the benefit 1-2.

[Blue33]

So which SOC1 school needs to move to SOC2? This would even them out. You talk about competing in SOC2? In modern history Burg has dominated SOC2. So in a sense none of the other SOC2 schools have competed with them. Burg will win it again this year. Valley is down, West is down, Haven't heard much about Minford, Waverly hasn't shown much in recent years either. So why not put Oak Hill or Northwest in SOC2?

[Mailman]

So which SOC1 school needs to move to SOC2? This would even them out. You talk about competing in SOC2? In modern history Burg has dominated SOC2. So in a sense none of the other SOC2 schools have competed with them. Burg will win it again this year. Valley is down, West is down, Haven't heard much about Minford, Waverly hasn't shown much in recent years either. So why not put Oak Hill or Northwest in SOC2?

Agree completely!! Of the 2 I would say Oak Hill. They have the best chance of competing against the other soc2 schools. And the soc1 schools have a better chance of competing against NW.

[Oak]

Oak Hill and Northwest should be in the SOCII based on size. But they wouldn't win a game most years. Oak Hill has had a few teams over the years that could compete.

Difference between SOC 1 and 2 is like night and day.

[GoBucks1047]

Northwest vs. SOC II Teams: 1-41 since 2006
2006: 0-9 (0-5)
09/01 H Valley (5-5) [5:19] L 0-28
09/29 A Portsmouth West (5-5) [4:15] L 14-49
10/06 H Minford (5-5) [5:19] L 8-35
10/13 A Wheelersburg (6-4) [5:19] L 6-56
10/20 H Waverly (11-1) L 7-47

2007: 1-9 (0-5)
09/28 H Portsmouth West (4-6) [5:19] L 6-42
10/05 A Valley (4-6) [5:19] L 20-39
10/12 H Wheelersburg (8-4) [5:19] L 8-42
10/19 A Minford (8-3) [5:19] L 13-47
10/26 A Waverly (10-2) L 15-47

2008: 1-9 (0-5)
09/26 A Portsmouth West (11-1) [5:19] L 0-57
10/03 H Valley (5-5) [5:19] L 7-47
10/10 A Wheelersburg (10-2) [5:19] L 17-42
10/17 H Minford (8-3) [5:19] L 0-37
10/24 H Waverly (4-6) L 22-26

2009: 2-8 (0-5)
10/02 A Valley (7-3) [5:19] L 14-56
10/09 H Wheelersburg (9-3) [5:19] L 6-39
10/16 A Minford (8-3) [5:19] L 14-46
10/23 H Portsmouth West (6-4) [4:15] L 0-48
10/30 A Waverly (4-6) L 2-41

2010: 3-7 (1-4)
10/01 H Valley (8-2) [5:19] L 7-54
10/08 A Wheelersburg (9-3) [5:19] L 13-44
10/15 H Minford (9-3) [5:19] L 20-59
10/22 A Portsmouth West (8-3) [4:15] L 0-65
10/29 H Waverly (0-10) W 30-27

2011: 3-7 (0-5)
09/30 H Wheelersburg (7-3) [5:19] L 7-34
10/07 A Minford (4-6) [4:15] L 0-43
10/14 A Valley (12-1) [5:19] L 7-42
10/21 H Portsmouth West (10-2) [5:19] L 7-55
10/28 A Waverly (3-7) [4:15] L 20-55

2012: 0-10 (0-5)
09/28 A Wheelersburg (8-3) [5:19] L 0-48
10/05 H Minford (8-3) [4:15] L 7-54
10/12 H Valley (12-1) [5:19] L 12-49
10/19 A Portsmouth West (4-6) [5:19] L 0-33
10/26 H Waverly (2-8) L 6-52

2013: 3-7 (0-5)
10/04 H Wheelersburg (11-2) [5:17] L 0-56
10/11 A Minford (7-3) [4:14] L 7-60
10/18 A Valley (11-1) [6:21] L 12-52
10/25 H Portsmouth West (5-5) [5:17] L 0-54
11/01 A Waverly (3-7) L 0-36

2006-2013: 5-17 vs. SOC I (Mostly East, Notre Dame, and Symmes Valley)
2014: 0-1 (Minford 0-25) 5-5 (4-1) (SOC I Record)
2015: 0-1 (Minford 0-52) 7-3 (5-1) (SOC I Record)


Oak Hill vs. SOC II Teams: 5-12 since 2006
Year: Record Vs. SOC II Teams Played/Score Oak Hill Record (SOC I Record)
2006: 0-1 (Valley 6-42) 3-7 (2-2)
2007: 1-1 (Northwest 28-8, Valley 8-16) 5-5 (2-2)
2008: 1-1 (Northwest 34-2, Minford 0-41) 7-3 (4-1)
2009: 1-0 (Minford 20-14) 11-1 (4-0)
2010: 1-1 (Wheelersburg 29-22, Minford 0-13) 11-2 (4-0)
2011: 0-2 (Wheelersburg 0-41, Minford 12-41) 2-8 (2-2)
2012: 0-1 (Minford 19-20 3OT) 9-3 (4-0)
2013: 0-1 (Minford 16-30) 8-3 (4-0)
2014: 0-2 (Wheelersburg 7-54, Minford 21-28 OT) 7-3 (4-1)
2015: 0-2 (Minford 15-29, Wheelersburg 0-48) 6-4 (6-0)

[Mailman]

Truth is OH and NW are in between. Not good enough for Soc2 too good for Soc1. They both dress more kids for the football team than most Soc1 schools have boys in entire school.

[one Oak]

That is some interesting information and good comments. Oak Hill and Northwest are too big for the SOC I, but as was pointed out Wheelersburg has dominated the SOC II. According to Burgfan.com Burg has won the SOC II 30 times since 1972? So what's the solution?

[Omega]

That is some interesting information and good comments. Oak Hill and Northwest are too big for the SOC I, but as was pointed out Wheelersburg has dominated the SOC II. According to Burgfan.com Burg has won the SOC II 30 times since 1972? So what's the solution?

Here are three possible solutions:

Solution # 1: the high schools can play games without keeping score, giving all players a participation trophy.

Solution # 2: disband the Wheelersburg football program which would level the playing field for all the other SOC schools.

Solution # 3: would be for the schools perceived to be on the short end of the stick to dedicate their academic and athletic
programs to the pursuit of excellence.

[Oak]

Wheelersburg has a big edge but some of those were split titles.

[Blue33]

The only school out of the SOC2 tat has a program is Burg, and they believe in it. All the others could be the same, but you can't change everything every 2-3 years when it isn't working and it all starts at the lower levels. And those lower levels, peewee and junior high have to be true feeder systems for the high school. Now with that said, how many feeder systems play daddy ball? Worried about "all star teams"? And then when these kids get to jr high don't have coaches that are coaching them as the varsity would? I am not a Pirate fan, but a fan and believer of how they run their program. If you don't believe it's all about winning why do kids move to that school? Winning is fun and losing sucks. Getting back to the other questions earlier sorry Northwest fans, you have no business in soc1. Get better or be independent...

[lineman7]

The only school out of the SOC2 tat has a program is Burg, and they believe in it. All the others could be the same, but you can't change everything every 2-3 years when it isn't working and it all starts at the lower levels. And those lower levels, peewee and junior high have to be true feeder systems for the high school. Now with that said, how many feeder systems play daddy ball? Worried about "all star teams"? And then when these kids get to jr high don't have coaches that are coaching them as the varsity would? I am not a Pirate fan, but a fan and believer of how they run their program. If you don't believe it's all about winning why do kids move to that school? Winning is fun and losing sucks. Getting back to the other questions earlier sorry Northwest fans, you have no business in soc1. Get better or be independent...

I think Valley has a program (high school) every bit as solid as Burg's (and for those of you that lack reading comprehension I didn't say Valley was better than Burg). The coach has been there 20+ years and Valley has consistently had good teams for being a lot smaller than the other SOC2 schools. I do agree that Burg's kids in the lower levels are very strong and would be a good model to build on.

[Blue33]

Legitimate question. Last 30 years, how many gold footballs?

[lineman7]

Legitimate question. Last 30 years, how many gold footballs?

Valley has been in the SOC 2 for maybe 10 years or so and has won it 3-4 times, they won SOC 1 frequently from the mid 1980s... the website I found has them with 12 gold football in the last 30 years

[wobycat]

Both west and valley have great programs. Burg has just sustained it the longest. Minford has been strong as of late, not winning the soc but making playoffs consistently. Burgs pee wee keeps parents off the field. Only way to do it.

[NewEra]

I look for Minford with a renewed energy will be back near the top competing for SOC and a playoff appearance. The offensive backfield is much more experienced this year.

[Jolly P(irate)]

That is some interesting information and good comments. Oak Hill and Northwest are too big for the SOC I, but as was pointed out Wheelersburg has dominated the SOC II. According to Burgfan.com Burg has won the SOC II 30 times since 1972? So what's the solution?

Here are three possible solutions:

Solution # 1: the high schools can play games without keeping score, giving all players a participation trophy.

Solution # 2: disband the Wheelersburg football program which would level the playing field for all the other SOC schools.

Solution # 3: would be for the schools perceived to be on the short end of the stick to dedicate their academic and athletic
programs to the pursuit of excellence.

#3 is the deal breaker my friend. If there isn't a commitment of excellence, there will never be excellence.

[Jolly P(irate)]

I don't see anyone coming within 21 of Burg in conference play. Minford I think will be better, Waverly much improved, West is a toss up and Valley is well coached. They may be down but never are they out.