IMO These teams will stay!!!
GA
Jackson
Logan Know OCC for them
Portsmouth
Chilly
Marietta
Warren???
Ironton wish they would stay but it will never happen.
Zanesville Gone
Athens Gone
Know new members !!!No one will make the move.
Ironton Out Of SEOAL?
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someoverkill
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Great question Ghostwriter. I believe the answer is it is allowed as long as there is no prejudice toward the student/athlete. If a group or organization were to cover the expenses of a student/athlete to participate in a program, that organization must extend that right to all student/athletes that qualify uder the same format. I would translate that to mean that all kids who want to participate in a program, who cannot for economic reasons, must be given the same priviledge, regardles of athletic ability.
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You might run into a very gray area with that.
One thing our football booster group has done the past couple years is to set aside revenues from an annual golf outing to help defray the cost of our pay-to-participate (transportation) fee. However, rather than get into trying to figure out who needs it and who doesn't (which, IMO, can lead to some problems), we apply it across the board so that EVERYONE's fee is reduced the same amount.
Another thing to consider if you head down that road -- try to find ways to spread out payments rather than having people try to pay it in a lump sum. If they can do that, great. But we've found that there are a lot of folks who simply can not do that. They can, however, pay (for example) $20 a week. The only real problem you run into at that point is record-keeping, of course.
One thing our football booster group has done the past couple years is to set aside revenues from an annual golf outing to help defray the cost of our pay-to-participate (transportation) fee. However, rather than get into trying to figure out who needs it and who doesn't (which, IMO, can lead to some problems), we apply it across the board so that EVERYONE's fee is reduced the same amount.
Another thing to consider if you head down that road -- try to find ways to spread out payments rather than having people try to pay it in a lump sum. If they can do that, great. But we've found that there are a lot of folks who simply can not do that. They can, however, pay (for example) $20 a week. The only real problem you run into at that point is record-keeping, of course.
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YOU'RE TIGER BAIT
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this is so bogus, ironton has a bogus school board meeting without consulting anybody. and vote out of the seoal, we are not going anywhere. but people cut our throats over it. posters made us out to be laughing stocks on here. zanesville wants to leave, and it's like i hope we can still be friends. wish you luck. this is so bogus. it proves THAT TIGER ENVY, IS ALIVE AND KICKING. 
IRONTON IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE, DEAL WITH IT 
IRONTON IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE, DEAL WITH IT IN THE LONG GRASS BY THE WATER, SO WATCH YOUR STEP. AND LET'S GO IRONTON FIGHTING TIGERS, OHIO STATE BUCKEYES AND THE CINCINNATI BENGALS
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Zanes-Vegas wrote:You might run into a very gray area with that.
One thing our football booster group has done the past couple years is to set aside revenues from an annual golf outing to help defray the cost of our pay-to-participate (transportation) fee. However, rather than get into trying to figure out who needs it and who doesn't (which, IMO, can lead to some problems), we apply it across the board so that EVERYONE's fee is reduced the same amount.
Another thing to consider if you head down that road -- try to find ways to spread out payments rather than having people try to pay it in a lump sum. If they can do that, great. But we've found that there are a lot of folks who simply can not do that. They can, however, pay (for example) $20 a week. The only real problem you run into at that point is record-keeping, of course.
Zanes-Vagas, Thanks....
Great post and information....
Have to admit, this has been some very entertaining reading! YTB is in the same shape ol Kantucky was when Lutz first left....pitiful.(only for different reasons)..it'll get better. After all, Ironton should have a good year this year(in football of course) ...since that is all the 'main' Ironton tagalongs who post, care about....no matter who the coach is!!!!!!!!!! Smile YTB! 
Just like zanesville--------DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YA IN THE _SSOOLA 
like the ole saying what comes around. 
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It's too bad the SOC and/or OVC doesn't show interest in Portsmouth or Ironton. That would take care of everyone's travel problems right there.
Ironton 216 boys 172 girls
Portsmouth 195 boys 194 girls
SOC II
Minford 182 boys 182 girls
Portsmouth West 186 boys 192 girls
Northwest 228 boys 191 girls
Valley 178 boys 124 girls
Waverly 253 boys 285 girls
Wheelersburg 185 boys 146 girls
OVC
Chesapeake 162 boys 146 girls
Coal Grove 166 boys 164 girls
Fairland 205 boys 193 girls
River Valley 191 boys 184 girls
Rock Hill 222 boys 197 girls
South Point 216 boys 212 girls
Neither Ironton or Portsmouth would be the largest school in either league. Since both schools have declined in population so much, I'm sure competition would level out with the other schools in time as well.
SOC II
Waverly 253
Northwest 228
Ironton 216
Portsmouth 195
Portsmouth West 186
Wheelersburg 185
Minford 182
Valley 178
OVC
Rock Hill 222
South Point 216
Ironton 216
Portsmouth 195
River Valley 191
Coal Grove 166
Chesapeake 162
The size difference is even less in the SOC II than the OVC, although things are pretty equal size wise in both leagues. Those numbers are more even than they are in most other leagues.
It will be interesting to see what happens if Portsmouth and Ironton were to continue to shrink in size over time. These schools were once by and far much larger than their neighbors, but that is just not the case in the 21st century.
Ironton 216 boys 172 girls
Portsmouth 195 boys 194 girls
SOC II
Minford 182 boys 182 girls
Portsmouth West 186 boys 192 girls
Northwest 228 boys 191 girls
Valley 178 boys 124 girls
Waverly 253 boys 285 girls
Wheelersburg 185 boys 146 girls
OVC
Chesapeake 162 boys 146 girls
Coal Grove 166 boys 164 girls
Fairland 205 boys 193 girls
River Valley 191 boys 184 girls
Rock Hill 222 boys 197 girls
South Point 216 boys 212 girls
Neither Ironton or Portsmouth would be the largest school in either league. Since both schools have declined in population so much, I'm sure competition would level out with the other schools in time as well.
SOC II
Waverly 253
Northwest 228
Ironton 216
Portsmouth 195
Portsmouth West 186
Wheelersburg 185
Minford 182
Valley 178
OVC
Rock Hill 222
South Point 216
Ironton 216
Portsmouth 195
River Valley 191
Coal Grove 166
Chesapeake 162
The size difference is even less in the SOC II than the OVC, although things are pretty equal size wise in both leagues. Those numbers are more even than they are in most other leagues.
It will be interesting to see what happens if Portsmouth and Ironton were to continue to shrink in size over time. These schools were once by and far much larger than their neighbors, but that is just not the case in the 21st century.
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I went to irontontribune.com to see if their were articles online from 2004 when the original discussion came up concerning Ironton joining the SEOAL. I found three articles. They discuss the pros and cons, and nearly four years later, these are the same pros and cons that people are debating today....
The pro-SEOAL article.......
http://www.irontontribune.com/articles/ ... orts02.txt
SEOAL could ease Ironton's independent problems
By JIM WALKER/Tribune sports editor
Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:45 AM EDT
Being a successful independent has its positive points, but it also comes with some negative baggage.
The most glaring problem for an independent is finding a full schedule almost every season.
Just ask the Ironton Fighting Tigers, one of the most notable independent schools in Ohio and the Tri-State.
But Ironton has a possible solution on the table. The Southeastern Ohio Athletic League has consulted Ironton, Portsmouth, Chillicothe and Zanesville about the possibility of joining existing members Athens, Gallipolis, Jackson, Logan, Marietta and Warren to form a 10-team conference.
Ironton, which left the SEOAL in 1985 to join the now defunct Ohio-Kentucky Athletic Conference, is appreciative of the consideration and would be optimistic if some details in the SEOAL bylaws can be amended. Athletic director Terry Parker said discussions are only in the early stages.
"We've had some positive dialogue with the SEOAL representatives. There are a lot of proposals on the table at this time and the league has been very flexible regarding these proposals," Parker said.
"Everyone is working toward the best possible situation for all the teams involved. Every school has its concerns, while everyone is working to resolve those concerns."
One proposal would divide the league into two divisions. In football, each school would play every team in its division plus some out of division games. The plan would allow each team the opportunity to keep some key local rivalries such as Ironton-Ashland and Ironton-Wheelersburg.
Parker likes the idea of limiting the league schedule to continue longtime rivalries.
"Ashland and Ironton have played almost every season for nearly 100 years. It's a great series for the fans and financially for both schools," Parker said.
"We're playing Portsmouth West and Wheelersburg out of the SOC and we would like to continue those series. Our relationship with the SOC schools has been very positive. It would be advantageous for all of the schools involved to maintain our series."
In basketball, schools would play each team in its division twice and teams in the other division once. A possible playoff game or tournament would be held at the end of league play to determine the overall champion.
Track would have one league meet while baseball and softball could follow the same proposal as basketball.
Joining the SEOAL is not a "done deal" as some people have surmised, but Parker said remaining an independent could create even greater scheduling difficulties in the near future.
The only league options in the Tri-State area are the Ohio Valley Conference, Southern Ohio Conference, SEOAL, Tri-Valley Conference, and the Mountain State League in West Virginia.
The Kentucky schools do not have a league, but they are restricted by mandatory district play that is similar to a league schedule.
To complicate matters, Ironton may lose some current teams from its schedule in the near future.
"Right now, there are five leagues surrounding us," Parker said. "If we are unable to schedule teams from those leagues, we could be facing even longer trips."
The SEOAL is working diligently to reduce travel for all sports. One option being considered is intra-division play for some sports only with a one-day championship game or meet between the east and west division teams.
The decision to join the SEOAL will not belong strictly to Parker.
"Once we get a final proposal from the SEOAL in August, there will be a meeting with all the coaches and administrators to discuss the pros and cons. This will be a key move for our program one way or the other, so it's important to get as much input as possible before making a decision," Parker said.
The pro-SEOAL article.......
http://www.irontontribune.com/articles/ ... orts02.txt
SEOAL could ease Ironton's independent problems
By JIM WALKER/Tribune sports editor
Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:45 AM EDT
Being a successful independent has its positive points, but it also comes with some negative baggage.
The most glaring problem for an independent is finding a full schedule almost every season.
Just ask the Ironton Fighting Tigers, one of the most notable independent schools in Ohio and the Tri-State.
But Ironton has a possible solution on the table. The Southeastern Ohio Athletic League has consulted Ironton, Portsmouth, Chillicothe and Zanesville about the possibility of joining existing members Athens, Gallipolis, Jackson, Logan, Marietta and Warren to form a 10-team conference.
Ironton, which left the SEOAL in 1985 to join the now defunct Ohio-Kentucky Athletic Conference, is appreciative of the consideration and would be optimistic if some details in the SEOAL bylaws can be amended. Athletic director Terry Parker said discussions are only in the early stages.
"We've had some positive dialogue with the SEOAL representatives. There are a lot of proposals on the table at this time and the league has been very flexible regarding these proposals," Parker said.
"Everyone is working toward the best possible situation for all the teams involved. Every school has its concerns, while everyone is working to resolve those concerns."
One proposal would divide the league into two divisions. In football, each school would play every team in its division plus some out of division games. The plan would allow each team the opportunity to keep some key local rivalries such as Ironton-Ashland and Ironton-Wheelersburg.
Parker likes the idea of limiting the league schedule to continue longtime rivalries.
"Ashland and Ironton have played almost every season for nearly 100 years. It's a great series for the fans and financially for both schools," Parker said.
"We're playing Portsmouth West and Wheelersburg out of the SOC and we would like to continue those series. Our relationship with the SOC schools has been very positive. It would be advantageous for all of the schools involved to maintain our series."
In basketball, schools would play each team in its division twice and teams in the other division once. A possible playoff game or tournament would be held at the end of league play to determine the overall champion.
Track would have one league meet while baseball and softball could follow the same proposal as basketball.
Joining the SEOAL is not a "done deal" as some people have surmised, but Parker said remaining an independent could create even greater scheduling difficulties in the near future.
The only league options in the Tri-State area are the Ohio Valley Conference, Southern Ohio Conference, SEOAL, Tri-Valley Conference, and the Mountain State League in West Virginia.
The Kentucky schools do not have a league, but they are restricted by mandatory district play that is similar to a league schedule.
To complicate matters, Ironton may lose some current teams from its schedule in the near future.
"Right now, there are five leagues surrounding us," Parker said. "If we are unable to schedule teams from those leagues, we could be facing even longer trips."
The SEOAL is working diligently to reduce travel for all sports. One option being considered is intra-division play for some sports only with a one-day championship game or meet between the east and west division teams.
The decision to join the SEOAL will not belong strictly to Parker.
"Once we get a final proposal from the SEOAL in August, there will be a meeting with all the coaches and administrators to discuss the pros and cons. This will be a key move for our program one way or the other, so it's important to get as much input as possible before making a decision," Parker said.
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The anti-SEOAL article.....
http://www.irontontribune.com/articles/2004/11/02/sports/sports238.txt
Joining SEOAL may not be right decision
Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:30 PM EDT
When Jackson cast the only "No" vote regarding the expansion of the Southeastern Ohio Athletic League a couple of weeks ago, it was ironic that the vote was due to the added travel though Jackson sits in the most central location.
But Jackson has the right idea.
The SEOAL voted to accept Ironton, Chillicothe, Portsmouth and Zanesville as new members. Now it's up to the respective schools to determine whether or not it is a good move.
Meetings are already being held and the pros and cons are being discussed. As for Ironton, there are a few pros to joining, but the cons may outweigh the pros.
The biggest negative is exactly what concerns Jackson, namely the travel. Ironton might be set in football, but there will be a lot of traveling distance. So what's new.
Under Ironton's current arrangement, the Fighting Tigers have to do a lot of traveling. The difference is reflected in the other sports.
The shortest trip outside of Portsmouth - which is already on the schedule - will be one hour or so to Jackson or Gallipolis. Boys and girls basketball teams won't return home until about 11 p.m. and that's after leaving around 4 p.m.
That's a lot of time to be consumed when students have school work. And like I said, that's the return time after the shortest trip.
Sacrificing every sport for football doesn't seem to be the best route. Scheduling football will be difficult, but it always has been.
There are some concerns that boys basketball is going to have trouble scheduling, but that is year-to-year depending on how good Ironton's team is. Let's face it, if a team thinks it can win, it'll play. If there is too much doubt, Ironton has to find someone else.
Ironton left the SEOAL nearly 20 years ago because of travel. The OKAC proved to be a very competitive and profitable league until the inability to beat Ironton in football sent a couple of schools sneaking off into the night never to play again.
The travel in the SEOAL has changed, but for the worse. The league now includes Marietta, Warren and new members Chillicothe and Zanesville.
Chillicothe isn't a bad trip for football, but it's about an hour and 45 minutes by bus whether it's a weekday or Saturday.
And who wants to spend Saturday driving three hours to and from Zanesville or Marietta?
Ironton officials have a tough decision to make. The problem isn't having enough teams in a close proximity to play, it's having teams in a close proximity WILLING to play.
As I've said in the past, it would be nice to join the SOC if they would have Ironton. It's a very competitive conference and fits Ironton well size-wise.
So if I were asked to cast my ballot on election day - with all things considered - I'd have to cast a "No" vote.
Jim Walker is sports editor of The Ironton Tribune.
http://www.irontontribune.com/articles/2004/11/02/sports/sports238.txt
Joining SEOAL may not be right decision
Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:30 PM EDT
When Jackson cast the only "No" vote regarding the expansion of the Southeastern Ohio Athletic League a couple of weeks ago, it was ironic that the vote was due to the added travel though Jackson sits in the most central location.
But Jackson has the right idea.
The SEOAL voted to accept Ironton, Chillicothe, Portsmouth and Zanesville as new members. Now it's up to the respective schools to determine whether or not it is a good move.
Meetings are already being held and the pros and cons are being discussed. As for Ironton, there are a few pros to joining, but the cons may outweigh the pros.
The biggest negative is exactly what concerns Jackson, namely the travel. Ironton might be set in football, but there will be a lot of traveling distance. So what's new.
Under Ironton's current arrangement, the Fighting Tigers have to do a lot of traveling. The difference is reflected in the other sports.
The shortest trip outside of Portsmouth - which is already on the schedule - will be one hour or so to Jackson or Gallipolis. Boys and girls basketball teams won't return home until about 11 p.m. and that's after leaving around 4 p.m.
That's a lot of time to be consumed when students have school work. And like I said, that's the return time after the shortest trip.
Sacrificing every sport for football doesn't seem to be the best route. Scheduling football will be difficult, but it always has been.
There are some concerns that boys basketball is going to have trouble scheduling, but that is year-to-year depending on how good Ironton's team is. Let's face it, if a team thinks it can win, it'll play. If there is too much doubt, Ironton has to find someone else.
Ironton left the SEOAL nearly 20 years ago because of travel. The OKAC proved to be a very competitive and profitable league until the inability to beat Ironton in football sent a couple of schools sneaking off into the night never to play again.
The travel in the SEOAL has changed, but for the worse. The league now includes Marietta, Warren and new members Chillicothe and Zanesville.
Chillicothe isn't a bad trip for football, but it's about an hour and 45 minutes by bus whether it's a weekday or Saturday.
And who wants to spend Saturday driving three hours to and from Zanesville or Marietta?
Ironton officials have a tough decision to make. The problem isn't having enough teams in a close proximity to play, it's having teams in a close proximity WILLING to play.
As I've said in the past, it would be nice to join the SOC if they would have Ironton. It's a very competitive conference and fits Ironton well size-wise.
So if I were asked to cast my ballot on election day - with all things considered - I'd have to cast a "No" vote.
Jim Walker is sports editor of The Ironton Tribune.