Week 10: Warren (3-6) @ Marietta (3-6)

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Re: Week 10: Warren (3-6) @ Marietta (3-6)

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blackshooky wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:37 pm
TigerFan15 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:29 pm The OHSAA expanding to 16 teams is purely a financial decision. Ridiculous ticket prices with the OHSAA now keeping all proceeds as compared to years past with each school participating in receiving a portion of ticket monies. Decisions such as this based on greed only waters down the quality of competition. Not Warren’s fault, wish them luck, but the poor decisions by the OHSAA only hurts teams all across the state.
spot on, the only beneficiaries are the greedy bastards at the oh$aa
In Division 1, Region 4, Cincinnati Oak Hills made the playoffs. They are winless. That sums up the new playoff format.

Best of luck to Warren this weekend. Make a statement for SE Ohio.


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Re: Week 10: Warren (3-6) @ Marietta (3-6)

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MttaFan wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:11 am
blackshooky wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:37 pm
TigerFan15 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:29 pm The OHSAA expanding to 16 teams is purely a financial decision. Ridiculous ticket prices with the OHSAA now keeping all proceeds as compared to years past with each school participating in receiving a portion of ticket monies. Decisions such as this based on greed only waters down the quality of competition. Not Warren’s fault, wish them luck, but the poor decisions by the OHSAA only hurts teams all across the state.
spot on, the only beneficiaries are the greedy bastards at the oh$aa
In Division 1, Region 4, Cincinnati Oak Hills made the playoffs. They are winless. That sums up the new playoff format.

Best of luck to Warren this weekend. Make a statement for SE Ohio.
make a statment? bloom carroll will beat warren by whatever they want...no team with losing record should be in playoffs. ohsaa turned playoffs into joke


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Re: Week 10: Warren (3-6) @ Marietta (3-6)

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Back in the 80's there were only three divions and the top 2 go in the playoffs. Belpre was 10-0 and barely got in! It's the "let's give everyone a trophy" theory and then let's make money off if them.


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Fletchlives wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:48 am Back in the 80's there were only three divions and the top 2 go in the playoffs. Belpre was 10-0 and barely got in! It's the "let's give everyone a trophy" theory and then let's make money off if them.
There are no trophies for making the playoffs; it is just the chance to play another game. Literally every other high school sport in Ohio lets every team into a postseason tournament. Not much different than an 0-22 basketball team getting blasted in a one-game sectional tournament.

Several other states have a full participant tournament at the end of the season.


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Re: Week 10: Warren (3-6) @ Marietta (3-6)

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enigmaax wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:12 pm
Fletchlives wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:48 am Back in the 80's there were only three divions and the top 2 go in the playoffs. Belpre was 10-0 and barely got in! It's the "let's give everyone a trophy" theory and then let's make money off if them.
There are no trophies for making the playoffs; it is just the chance to play another game. Literally every other high school sport in Ohio lets every team into a postseason tournament. Not much different than an 0-22 basketball team getting blasted in a one-game sectional tournament.

Several other states have a full participant tournament at the end of the season.
It's crazy. Just another chance for a player on a good team to get hurt. The only reason for it is so the OHSAA can make money. They don't care about injuries or blowout games, just the gate money. It's nothing like an 0-22 basketball team playing a 22-0 team as basketball is no contact sport.


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Re: Week 10: Warren (3-6) @ Marietta (3-6)

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Tow Head wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:33 pm
enigmaax wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:12 pm
Fletchlives wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:48 am Back in the 80's there were only three divions and the top 2 go in the playoffs. Belpre was 10-0 and barely got in! It's the "let's give everyone a trophy" theory and then let's make money off if them.
There are no trophies for making the playoffs; it is just the chance to play another game. Literally every other high school sport in Ohio lets every team into a postseason tournament. Not much different than an 0-22 basketball team getting blasted in a one-game sectional tournament.

Several other states have a full participant tournament at the end of the season.
It's crazy. Just another chance for a player on a good team to get hurt. The only reason for it is so the OHSAA can make money. They don't care about injuries or blowout games, just the gate money. It's nothing like an 0-22 basketball team playing a 22-0 team as basketball is no contact sport.
Lol, “zomg participation trophies are for pansies but I don’t want to play an extra game of football because someone might get hurt.”


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Re: Week 10: Warren (3-6) @ Marietta (3-6)

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enigmaax wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:45 pm
Tow Head wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:33 pm
enigmaax wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:12 pm

There are no trophies for making the playoffs; it is just the chance to play another game. Literally every other high school sport in Ohio lets every team into a postseason tournament. Not much different than an 0-22 basketball team getting blasted in a one-game sectional tournament.

Several other states have a full participant tournament at the end of the season.
It's crazy. Just another chance for a player on a good team to get hurt. The only reason for it is so the OHSAA can make money. They don't care about injuries or blowout games, just the gate money. It's nothing like an 0-22 basketball team playing a 22-0 team as basketball is no contact sport.
Lol, “zomg participation trophies are for pansies but I don’t want to play an extra game of football because someone might get hurt.”
Yea, laugh if you will pal, but getting your starting QB hurt by a team that shouldn't even be on the field with you is no joke. Oh and I don't mind if you get a trophy for being bad, so don't get butt hurt because I never said that to you. LOL


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Re: Week 10: Warren (3-6) @ Marietta (3-6)

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Teams don't have to participate in OHSAA playoffs if they don't want to...they had opportunities to opt out.

I would assume that football has always had a limited field for safety purposes. That's why football is not like any other sport that allows everyone to participate in post season.

And who cares if OHSAA makes more money? Nobody is forcing you go to the games.


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Re: Week 10: Warren (3-6) @ Marietta (3-6)

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Warren laid an egg


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Tow Head wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:04 pm
enigmaax wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:45 pm
Tow Head wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:33 pm

It's crazy. Just another chance for a player on a good team to get hurt. The only reason for it is so the OHSAA can make money. They don't care about injuries or blowout games, just the gate money. It's nothing like an 0-22 basketball team playing a 22-0 team as basketball is no contact sport.
Lol, “zomg participation trophies are for pansies but I don’t want to play an extra game of football because someone might get hurt.”
Yea, laugh if you will pal, but getting your starting QB hurt by a team that shouldn't even be on the field with you is no joke. Oh and I don't mind if you get a trophy for being bad, so don't get butt hurt because I never said that to you. LOL
Warren played Dover and New Philly as league games. Kids got hurt. Kids also got hurt against Marietta. Should we not be on the field because of skill or physicality? Should we have only played a freshmen/JV schedule this year since we started about 16 9th/10th graders?

It is football; the idea that you shouldn’t play someone good because you have a higher chance of getting hurt is counter to the entire sport’s mentality. First people complained about ducking other teams all season, now they complain that someone could get hurt in a mismatch. It’s silly.


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Completely agree ! Basketball is so different. Not getting beat up physically and mentally. OHSAA wants to make money and schools , coaches and parents think this is great. And you wonder why most schools have 30 kids out for football and 10 of them are freshman who are dressing and Most never play their freshman year.


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16 teams is just too much. 8 is ok but the talent gap between #1 and #16 is quadruple touchdowns and waters down making the playoffs. Some teams will never make it to state but making it to the playoffs or winning a game is an accomplishment. Not anymore, just win three and you are in.


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Riverrats wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:55 pm 16 teams is just too much. 8 is ok but the talent gap between #1 and #16 is quadruple touchdowns and waters down making the playoffs. Some teams will never make it to state but making it to the playoffs or winning a game is an accomplishment. Not anymore, just win three and you are in.
Nobody ever really answers this. Should the talent gap be accounted for in the regular season? Like, should anyone play a team like Bloom-Carroll since they are so good?

Talent gap is different from physicality. If it’s about physicality, it doesn’t really matter when the game is played. If it is about talent gap, then it ISNT different from any other sport. Yes, there will be tournament blowouts, just like there are regular season blowouts.


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enigmaax wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:46 pm
Riverrats wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:55 pm 16 teams is just too much. 8 is ok but the talent gap between #1 and #16 is quadruple touchdowns and waters down making the playoffs. Some teams will never make it to state but making it to the playoffs or winning a game is an accomplishment. Not anymore, just win three and you are in.
Nobody ever really answers this. Should the talent gap be accounted for in the regular season? Like, should anyone play a team like Bloom-Carroll since they are so good?

Talent gap is different from physicality. If it’s about physicality, it doesn’t really matter when the game is played. If it is about talent gap, then it ISNT different from any other sport. Yes, there will be tournament blowouts, just like there are regular season blowouts.
Maybe Warren should put BC on the schedule then, since talent and physicality shouldn't stop them. Just sayin.


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Tow Head wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:28 am
enigmaax wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:46 pm
Riverrats wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:55 pm 16 teams is just too much. 8 is ok but the talent gap between #1 and #16 is quadruple touchdowns and waters down making the playoffs. Some teams will never make it to state but making it to the playoffs or winning a game is an accomplishment. Not anymore, just win three and you are in.
Nobody ever really answers this. Should the talent gap be accounted for in the regular season? Like, should anyone play a team like Bloom-Carroll since they are so good?

Talent gap is different from physicality. If it’s about physicality, it doesn’t really matter when the game is played. If it is about talent gap, then it ISNT different from any other sport. Yes, there will be tournament blowouts, just like there are regular season blowouts.
Maybe Warren should put BC on the schedule then, since talent and physicality shouldn't stop them. Just sayin.
Warren has virtually always played a challenging schedule. Despite winning about 8 games in 8 years, they signed up for the ECOL with Dover & New Philly. Have played Point Pleasant, John Marshall, and Fort Frye in their best seasons. Were overmatched several times this season since we basically had a JV roster. Warren has left two conferences at the height of their own league success to try and upgrade the schedule. So, yeah, you aren’t going to make a good point on that one.


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enigmaax wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:55 am
Tow Head wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:28 am
enigmaax wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:46 pm
Nobody ever really answers this. Should the talent gap be accounted for in the regular season? Like, should anyone play a team like Bloom-Carroll since they are so good?

Talent gap is different from physicality. If it’s about physicality, it doesn’t really matter when the game is played. If it is about talent gap, then it ISNT different from any other sport. Yes, there will be tournament blowouts, just like there are regular season blowouts.
Maybe Warren should put BC on the schedule then, since talent and physicality shouldn't stop them. Just sayin.
Warren has virtually always played a challenging schedule. Despite winning about 8 games in 8 years, they signed up for the ECOL with Dover & New Philly. Have played Point Pleasant, John Marshall, and Fort Frye in their best seasons. Were overmatched several times this season since we basically had a JV roster. Warren has left two conferences at the height of their own league success to try and upgrade the schedule. So, yeah, you aren’t going to make a good point on that one.
Let's don't forget included in that "challenging schedule" was Crooksville, Morgan, Union Local, Belpre, Beallsville..yes, Beallsville. They absolutely did not join the ECOL to upgrade their football schedule. Out of conference games are what you need to look at in regards to upgrades. I think "average" is a better description of your out of conference schedule instead of "challenging".


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BobcatQB wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:35 am
enigmaax wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:55 am
Tow Head wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:28 am

Maybe Warren should put BC on the schedule then, since talent and physicality shouldn't stop them. Just sayin.
Warren has virtually always played a challenging schedule. Despite winning about 8 games in 8 years, they signed up for the ECOL with Dover & New Philly. Have played Point Pleasant, John Marshall, and Fort Frye in their best seasons. Were overmatched several times this season since we basically had a JV roster. Warren has left two conferences at the height of their own league success to try and upgrade the schedule. So, yeah, you aren’t going to make a good point on that one.
Let's don't forget included in that "challenging schedule" was Crooksville, Morgan, Union Local, Belpre, Beallsville..yes, Beallsville. They absolutely did not join the ECOL to upgrade their football schedule. Out of conference games are what you need to look at in regards to upgrades. I think "average" is a better description of your out of conference schedule instead of "challenging".
Let’s also not forget about the years before that when we played pretty consistently: Parkersburg, Parkersburg South, Point Pleasant, and Athens at the height of the their program. To your point, I would like to see us play a more challenging non-conference schedule as well. But, you also have to realize the context with which we scheduled those games. We needed wins at that time. We got them. Nothing more, nothing less.


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beg003 wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:41 am
BobcatQB wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:35 am
enigmaax wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:55 am

Warren has virtually always played a challenging schedule. Despite winning about 8 games in 8 years, they signed up for the ECOL with Dover & New Philly. Have played Point Pleasant, John Marshall, and Fort Frye in their best seasons. Were overmatched several times this season since we basically had a JV roster. Warren has left two conferences at the height of their own league success to try and upgrade the schedule. So, yeah, you aren’t going to make a good point on that one.
Let's don't forget included in that "challenging schedule" was Crooksville, Morgan, Union Local, Belpre, Beallsville..yes, Beallsville. They absolutely did not join the ECOL to upgrade their football schedule. Out of conference games are what you need to look at in regards to upgrades. I think "average" is a better description of your out of conference schedule instead of "challenging".
Let’s also not forget about the years before that when we played pretty consistently: Parkersburg, Parkersburg South, Point Pleasant, and Athens at the height of the their program. To your point, I would like to see us play a more challenging non-conference schedule as well. But, you also have to realize the context with which we scheduled those games. We needed wins at that time. We got them. Nothing more, nothing less.
I got you..not banging on the schedule because we all need w's..just be honest and call it what it is. Warren is somewhat geographically challenged so playing Belpre, FF, and those teams you mentioned makes sense. That being said, Crooksville and Beallsville should never be on the schedule.


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BobcatQB wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:50 am
beg003 wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:41 am
BobcatQB wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:35 am

Let's don't forget included in that "challenging schedule" was Crooksville, Morgan, Union Local, Belpre, Beallsville..yes, Beallsville. They absolutely did not join the ECOL to upgrade their football schedule. Out of conference games are what you need to look at in regards to upgrades. I think "average" is a better description of your out of conference schedule instead of "challenging".
Let’s also not forget about the years before that when we played pretty consistently: Parkersburg, Parkersburg South, Point Pleasant, and Athens at the height of the their program. To your point, I would like to see us play a more challenging non-conference schedule as well. But, you also have to realize the context with which we scheduled those games. We needed wins at that time. We got them. Nothing more, nothing less.
I got you..not banging on the schedule because we all need w's..just be honest and call it what it is. Warren is somewhat geographically challenged so playing Belpre, FF, and those teams you mentioned makes sense. That being said, Crooksville and Beallsville should never be on the schedule.
Agreed on all fronts.


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BobcatQB wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:35 am
enigmaax wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:55 am
Tow Head wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:28 am

Maybe Warren should put BC on the schedule then, since talent and physicality shouldn't stop them. Just sayin.
Warren has virtually always played a challenging schedule. Despite winning about 8 games in 8 years, they signed up for the ECOL with Dover & New Philly. Have played Point Pleasant, John Marshall, and Fort Frye in their best seasons. Were overmatched several times this season since we basically had a JV roster. Warren has left two conferences at the height of their own league success to try and upgrade the schedule. So, yeah, you aren’t going to make a good point on that one.
Let's don't forget included in that "challenging schedule" was Crooksville, Morgan, Union Local, Belpre, Beallsville..yes, Beallsville. They absolutely did not join the ECOL to upgrade their football schedule. Out of conference games are what you need to look at in regards to upgrades. I think "average" is a better description of your out of conference schedule instead of "challenging".
I didn’t say that is why we joined the ECOL. The fact is that the ECOL was way above Warren’s competitive level in football when we signed up. To my point that Warren has never been afraid of competition.

The Warren program started in 1960 and joined the PVL (PVC). From 1963-65, they won their last 16 league games and 3 straight titles. Left the league they were dominating because it was smaller schools (though it was the most “local” they were ever going to get). Warren helped start the TVC and then was on a nice run with three 9-win seasons from 1981-85. The 85 team was 9-1 and 86 had the opportunity to be just as good/better (ended up 8-2). The TVC had been adding smaller and smaller schools (Miller) and Warren went to the SEOAL with schools more similar in enrollment.

As for the more recent schedule, ECOL notwithstanding, yes there were some smaller programs. When a lot of those games were scheduled, Warren may have literally been the worst team/program in the state - there were two different streaks of 20+ losses and in one season Warren scored 35 points on the entire season. There was no “scheduling wins” because you couldn’t assume they’d beat ANYONE. Scheduling a few competitive games, there’s nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t make anything about what I said earlier false - relative to what was going on, virtually every game was a challenge but Warren also took on teams they “had no business being on the field with” (to the original point about playoff games/mismatches).

Warren was independent and there’s a little more difficulty finding games when you have to find 10. Also, there’s a bit of the reverse Fort Frye effect; schools challenging for playoff spots don’t necessarily want to add a team that could realistically never give them a single second level point. That doesn’t mean Warren wouldn’t agree to play anyone.

So I’ll stand by my statement that Warren has never run away from competition or even from a proper beating. Go back and look at the context of the conversation and it will make more sense why I even brought it up (someone else avoided my general question with some irrelevant statement about Warren’s schedule).


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