Wheelersburg 2023

[eagle25]

Here’s the big difference:

Pendleton has had as much or more talent than Lutz’s teams while also playing against teams with significantly inferior talent.

Over the past four years, Pendleton hasn’t faced a single team with more talent or talent even close to what Ironton currently has. He has not seen a Randy Moss, Carlos Snow, Vinnie Clark, Joe Jurevicius, etc.

It’s scary to imagine how Lutz would dominate with Ironton’s current talent against Ironton’s current schedule.

You guys are clueless.

1982 team had the entire backfield go division one. Snyder, Bacon, Smith and can’t remember the other guy.

The Mentor team you talk about being so good. The team they beat had Walt Delong (Ohio State), Wolfgang Kratzenburg (Ohio U.) Joe Leith (Ivy league) blocking for Jermon Jackson ( Ohio State).


Ironton just played Moeller 2 years ago and Moeller made it to semi-finals that year.

Haters going to hate. We will see when the dust settles.

#HYGT

The MLC team had ten kids in that class play college ball. Joe V played 10 years in the NFL!! Considered to be one of the top Ohio high school teams of all time!

Now let’s look at who was on the Ironton roster that got beat 30-0 by Kirtland (a team whose best player is playing college ball at John Carrol):

- Carrico (OSU)
- Carter (UC)
- Keyes (WF)
- Duncan (Miami)
- Washington (UK)
- Barnes (Marshall)

Talk about a loaded backfield and loaded team!! Six D1 athletes against zero for Kirtland. Safe to say that Ironton team had more D1 athletes than the Ironton team that faced MLC, while Kirtland had far fewer than MLC.

I don’t know of any scholarships that South Range players have picked up, but let’s look at Ironton’s seniors alone for this year:
- Keyes
- Carter
- Perkins
- Barnes
- Felder

That’s five D1 scholarship players. More than what the Ironton team had that played against MLC. Difference again is that SR did not have MLC’s talent or roster. Not even close.

So the current Ironton teams do not appear to possess lesser talent than the Ironton teams from the past that you mentioned, but the opponents are far more inferior.

Checkmate

[wobycat]

Pendletons teams have been the top point team in division 5 each of last 4 years. So he would have made it each of the 4. Comparing the start of their careers Pendleton has been more successful. You’re also forgetting about the St. Joe years.

Here’s the big difference:

Pendleton has had as much or more talent than Lutz’s teams while also playing against teams with significantly inferior talent.

Over the past four years, Pendleton hasn’t faced a single team with more talent or talent even close to what Ironton currently has. He has not seen a Randy Moss, Carlos Snow, Vinnie Clark, Joe Jurevicius, etc.

It’s scary to imagine how Lutz would dominate with Ironton’s current talent against Ironton’s current schedule.

talent? What are you guys talking about. Coach Lutz teams were loaded with talent.

1982 team had the entire backfield go division one. Snyder, Bacon, Smith and can’t remember the other guy. Coach Lutz had just as much talent or more back in the day. The reason they were in higher classification is the town was much bigger. Enrollment went way down. Look at what’s happened to Portsmouth. That could have easily been Ironton. Coach Lutz also took over a successful program from another HOF coach in Bob Bruney. He built the program up and left a loaded squad to coach Lutz. Pendleton was left with an almost empty cupboard. He basically had to start from scratch.

The Mentor team you talk about being so good. The team they beat had Walt Delong (Ohio State), Wolfgang Kratzenburg (Ohio U.) Joe Leith (Ivy league) blocking for Jermon Jackson ( Ohio State). We had 3 D1 Lineman and a D1 Tailback and got whipped.


Ironton just played Moeller 2 years ago and Moeller made it to semi-finals that year.

Haters going to hate. We will see when the dust settles.

#HYGT

How many of Lutz teams had that many transfers in a 5 year span. I know he got a few, but I highly doubt he got the amount Pendleton has. Hes got 5 that I know of in the past two seasons, good players. Impact players.



An average coach can win with talent. You see teams pop up all the time.

Madison who burg beat to get to the championship, had their best team in decades. They were loaded but They have tanked since.

So winning with talent is not hard to do.

[eagle25]

Here’s the big difference:

Pendleton has had as much or more talent than Lutz’s teams while also playing against teams with significantly inferior talent.

Over the past four years, Pendleton hasn’t faced a single team with more talent or talent even close to what Ironton currently has. He has not seen a Randy Moss, Carlos Snow, Vinnie Clark, Joe Jurevicius, etc.

It’s scary to imagine how Lutz would dominate with Ironton’s current talent against Ironton’s current schedule.

talent? What are you guys talking about. Coach Lutz teams were loaded with talent.

1982 team had the entire backfield go division one. Snyder, Bacon, Smith and can’t remember the other guy. Coach Lutz had just as much talent or more back in the day. The reason they were in higher classification is the town was much bigger. Enrollment went way down. Look at what’s happened to Portsmouth. That could have easily been Ironton. Coach Lutz also took over a successful program from another HOF coach in Bob Bruney. He built the program up and left a loaded squad to coach Lutz. Pendleton was left with an almost empty cupboard. He basically had to start from scratch.

The Mentor team you talk about being so good. The team they beat had Walt Delong (Ohio State), Wolfgang Kratzenburg (Ohio U.) Joe Leith (Ivy league) blocking for Jermon Jackson ( Ohio State). We had 3 D1 Lineman and a D1 Tailback and got whipped.


Ironton just played Moeller 2 years ago and Moeller made it to semi-finals that year.

Haters going to hate. We will see when the dust settles.

#HYGT

How many of Lutz teams had that many transfers in a 5 year span. I know he got a few, but I highly doubt he got the amount Pendleton has. Hes got 5 that I know of in the past two seasons, good players. Impact players.



An average coach can win with talent. You see teams pop up all the time.

Madison who burg beat to get to the championship, had their best team in decades. They were loaded but They have tanked since.

So winning with talent is not hard to do.

The one thing no one can argue is that Pendleton put Ironton back on the map. Yes he had to steal players from other schools to do it, but he did do it. The only other thing he accomplished was to make a friend at Moeller who has enough juice to get him a token interview for that job.

[RBH23]

talent? What are you guys talking about. Coach Lutz teams were loaded with talent.

1982 team had the entire backfield go division one. Snyder, Bacon, Smith and can’t remember the other guy. Coach Lutz had just as much talent or more back in the day. The reason they were in higher classification is the town was much bigger. Enrollment went way down. Look at what’s happened to Portsmouth. That could have easily been Ironton. Coach Lutz also took over a successful program from another HOF coach in Bob Bruney. He built the program up and left a loaded squad to coach Lutz. Pendleton was left with an almost empty cupboard. He basically had to start from scratch.

The Mentor team you talk about being so good. The team they beat had Walt Delong (Ohio State), Wolfgang Kratzenburg (Ohio U.) Joe Leith (Ivy league) blocking for Jermon Jackson ( Ohio State). We had 3 D1 Lineman and a D1 Tailback and got whipped.


Ironton just played Moeller 2 years ago and Moeller made it to semi-finals that year.

Haters going to hate. We will see when the dust settles.

#HYGT

How many of Lutz teams had that many transfers in a 5 year span. I know he got a few, but I highly doubt he got the amount Pendleton has. Hes got 5 that I know of in the past two seasons, good players. Impact players.



An average coach can win with talent. You see teams pop up all the time.

Madison who burg beat to get to the championship, had their best team in decades. They were loaded but They have tanked since.

So winning with talent is not hard to do.

The one thing no one can argue is that Pendleton put Ironton back on the map. Yes he had to steal players from other schools to do it, but he did do it. The only other thing he accomplished was to make a friend at Moeller who has enough juice to get him a token interview for that job.

Pendleton has definitely brought Ironton back. Still to be determined if he can a) win the big game, and b) win even if he doesn’t have a significant talent advantage.

Lutz and Miller were special coaches. Neither Pendleton or Woodward have reached that level.

[RBH23]

Here’s the big difference:

Pendleton has had as much or more talent than Lutz’s teams while also playing against teams with significantly inferior talent.

Over the past four years, Pendleton hasn’t faced a single team with more talent or talent even close to what Ironton currently has. He has not seen a Randy Moss, Carlos Snow, Vinnie Clark, Joe Jurevicius, etc.

It’s scary to imagine how Lutz would dominate with Ironton’s current talent against Ironton’s current schedule.

talent? What are you guys talking about. Coach Lutz teams were loaded with talent.

1982 team had the entire backfield go division one. Snyder, Bacon, Smith and can’t remember the other guy. Coach Lutz had just as much talent or more back in the day. The reason they were in higher classification is the town was much bigger. Enrollment went way down. Look at what’s happened to Portsmouth. That could have easily been Ironton. Coach Lutz also took over a successful program from another HOF coach in Bob Bruney. He built the program up and left a loaded squad to coach Lutz. Pendleton was left with an almost empty cupboard. He basically had to start from scratch.

The Mentor team you talk about being so good. The team they beat had Walt Delong (Ohio State), Wolfgang Kratzenburg (Ohio U.) Joe Leith (Ivy league) blocking for Jermon Jackson ( Ohio State). We had 3 D1 Lineman and a D1 Tailback and got whipped.


Ironton just played Moeller 2 years ago and Moeller made it to semi-finals that year.

Haters going to hate. We will see when the dust settles.

#HYGT

How many of Lutz teams had that many transfers in a 5 year span. I know he got a few, but I highly doubt he got the amount Pendleton has. Hes got 5 that I know of in the past two seasons, good players. Impact players.



An average coach can win with talent. You see teams pop up all the time.

Madison who burg beat to get to the championship, had their best team in decades. They were loaded but They have tanked since.

So winning with talent is not hard to do.

That Madison coach was a nut job. He quit shortly after the second loss to Burg. He didn’t want to prove himself by rebuilding the team.

[Gray Cat]

talent? What are you guys talking about. Coach Lutz teams were loaded with talent.

1982 team had the entire backfield go division one. Snyder, Bacon, Smith and can’t remember the other guy. Coach Lutz had just as much talent or more back in the day. The reason they were in higher classification is the town was much bigger. Enrollment went way down. Look at what’s happened to Portsmouth. That could have easily been Ironton. Coach Lutz also took over a successful program from another HOF coach in Bob Bruney. He built the program up and left a loaded squad to coach Lutz. Pendleton was left with an almost empty cupboard. He basically had to start from scratch.

The Mentor team you talk about being so good. The team they beat had Walt Delong (Ohio State), Wolfgang Kratzenburg (Ohio U.) Joe Leith (Ivy league) blocking for Jermon Jackson ( Ohio State). We had 3 D1 Lineman and a D1 Tailback and got whipped.


Ironton just played Moeller 2 years ago and Moeller made it to semi-finals that year.

Haters going to hate. We will see when the dust settles.

#HYGT

How many of Lutz teams had that many transfers in a 5 year span. I know he got a few, but I highly doubt he got the amount Pendleton has. Hes got 5 that I know of in the past two seasons, good players. Impact players.



An average coach can win with talent. You see teams pop up all the time.

Madison who burg beat to get to the championship, had their best team in decades. They were loaded but They have tanked since.

So winning with talent is not hard to do.

That Madison coach was a nut job. He quit shortly after the second loss to Burg. He didn’t want to prove himself by rebuilding the team.

Speaking of nut job coaches puts me in mind of the coach from Western Reserve back in the state semi’s in 2013. He yelled at us on the field and challenged our coaches in pregame and called us “smurfs.” He told his players that if he got beaten by a bunch of smurfs he would turn in his keys after the game and quit. It was a physical game and we showed him that a bunch of “smurfs” could knock their peckers into the dirt LOL. We advanced to the state championship and he left with his tail tucked.

[BTWNTHE__]

You guys are clueless.

1982 team had the entire backfield go division one. Snyder, Bacon, Smith and can’t remember the other guy.

The Mentor team you talk about being so good. The team they beat had Walt Delong (Ohio State), Wolfgang Kratzenburg (Ohio U.) Joe Leith (Ivy league) blocking for Jermon Jackson ( Ohio State).


Ironton just played Moeller 2 years ago and Moeller made it to semi-finals that year.

Haters going to hate. We will see when the dust settles.

#HYGT

The MLC team had ten kids in that class play college ball. Joe V played 10 years in the NFL!! Considered to be one of the top Ohio high school teams of all time!

Now let’s look at who was on the Ironton roster that got beat 30-0 by Kirtland (a team whose best player is playing college ball at John Carrol):

- Carrico (OSU)
- Carter (UC)
- Keyes (WF)
- Duncan (Miami)
- Washington (UK)
- Barnes (Marshall)

Talk about a loaded backfield and loaded team!! Six D1 athletes against zero for Kirtland. Safe to say that Ironton team had more D1 athletes than the Ironton team that faced MLC, while Kirtland had far fewer than MLC.

I don’t know of any scholarships that South Range players have picked up, but let’s look at Ironton’s seniors alone for this year:
- Keyes
- Carter
- Perkins
- Barnes
- Felder

That’s five D1 scholarship players. More than what the Ironton team had that played against MLC. Difference again is that SR did not have MLC’s talent or roster. Not even close.

So the current Ironton teams do not appear to possess lesser talent than the Ironton teams from the past that you mentioned, but the opponents are far more inferior.

Checkmate

Why has burg only made it out of their region 3 or 4 times in the last 15 years or so?

[RBH23]

How many of Lutz teams had that many transfers in a 5 year span. I know he got a few, but I highly doubt he got the amount Pendleton has. Hes got 5 that I know of in the past two seasons, good players. Impact players.



An average coach can win with talent. You see teams pop up all the time.

Madison who burg beat to get to the championship, had their best team in decades. They were loaded but They have tanked since.

So winning with talent is not hard to do.

That Madison coach was a nut job. He quit shortly after the second loss to Burg. He didn’t want to prove himself by rebuilding the team.

Speaking of nut job coaches puts me in mind of the coach from Western Reserve back in the state semi’s in 2013. He yelled at us on the field and challenged our coaches in pregame and called us “smurfs.” He told his players that if he got beaten by a bunch of smurfs he would turn in his keys after the game and quit. It was a physical game and we showed him that a bunch of “smurfs” could knock their peckers into the dirt LOL. We advanced to the state championship and he left with his tail tucked.

Did he follow through with turning in his keys…?

[irontonwizard]

Pendletons teams have been the top point team in division 5 each of last 4 years. So he would have made it each of the 4. Comparing the start of their careers Pendleton has been more successful. You’re also forgetting about the St. Joe years.

Here’s the big difference:

Pendleton has had as much or more talent than Lutz’s teams while also playing against teams with significantly inferior talent.

Over the past four years, Pendleton hasn’t faced a single team with more talent or talent even close to what Ironton currently has. He has not seen a Randy Moss, Carlos Snow, Vinnie Clark, Joe Jurevicius, etc.

It’s scary to imagine how Lutz would dominate with Ironton’s current talent against Ironton’s current schedule.

talent? What are you guys talking about. Coach Lutz teams were loaded with talent.

1982 team had the entire backfield go division one. Snyder, Bacon, Smith and can’t remember the other guy. Coach Lutz had just as much talent or more back in the day. The reason they were in higher classification is the town was much bigger. Enrollment went way down. Look at what’s happened to Portsmouth. That could have easily been Ironton. Coach Lutz also took over a successful program from another HOF coach in Bob Bruney. He built the program up and left a loaded squad to coach Lutz. Pendleton was left with an almost empty cupboard. He basically had to start from scratch.

The Mentor team you talk about being so good. The team they beat had Walt Delong (Ohio State), Wolfgang Kratzenburg (Ohio U.) Joe Leith (Ivy league) blocking for Jermon Jackson ( Ohio State). We had 3 D1 Lineman and a D1 Tailback and got whipped.


Ironton just played Moeller 2 years ago and Moeller made it to semi-finals that year.

Haters going to hate. We will see when the dust settles.

#HYGT

Pendleton has done well, but he is no Lutz. It’s not even fair to compare to him Ohio’s greatest high school football coach of all time. Bob Lutz is a legend and always will be.

[irontonwizard]

There are other variables to consider. In his first 5 years, Lutz made it to one final - and made the playoffs one other time. Everything was more difficult back then. There were literally 12 teams in the entire state that made the playoffs (4 from A, AA, and AAA). If today's playoffs and classifications were in effect during Lutz's 1st 5 years, who knows what he could've done. Again, no knock on Pendleton...

Well said.

[wobycat]

Congrats to Burg over Ironton in baseball. District Champs
Congratulations to the girls. Regional champs

Burg getting it done.

[RBH23]

Congrats to Burg over Ironton in baseball. District Champs
Congratulations to the girls. Regional champs

Burg getting it done.

Great job by both teams.

[BTWNTHE__]

The MLC team had ten kids in that class play college ball. Joe V played 10 years in the NFL!! Considered to be one of the top Ohio high school teams of all time!

Now let’s look at who was on the Ironton roster that got beat 30-0 by Kirtland (a team whose best player is playing college ball at John Carrol):

- Carrico (OSU)
- Carter (UC)
- Keyes (WF)
- Duncan (Miami)
- Washington (UK)
- Barnes (Marshall)

Talk about a loaded backfield and loaded team!! Six D1 athletes against zero for Kirtland. Safe to say that Ironton team had more D1 athletes than the Ironton team that faced MLC, while Kirtland had far fewer than MLC.

I don’t know of any scholarships that South Range players have picked up, but let’s look at Ironton’s seniors alone for this year:
- Keyes
- Carter
- Perkins
- Barnes
- Felder

That’s five D1 scholarship players. More than what the Ironton team had that played against MLC. Difference again is that SR did not have MLC’s talent or roster. Not even close.

So the current Ironton teams do not appear to possess lesser talent than the Ironton teams from the past that you mentioned, but the opponents are far more inferior.

Checkmate

Why has burg only made it out of their region 3 or 4 times in the last 15 years or so?

Figured all that solid coaching coulda done more than that.

[wobycat]

Checkmate

Why has burg only made it out of their region 3 or 4 times in the last 15 years or so?

Figured all that solid coaching coulda done more than that.

It’s a lot harder to develop and coach, than get transfers and coach. Burgs coaching is the best in the area. Not even close. Portsmouth west coach would be next.

[BTWNTHE__]

Why has burg only made it out of their region 3 or 4 times in the last 15 years or so?

Figured all that solid coaching coulda done more than that.

It’s a lot harder to develop and coach, than get transfers and coach. Burgs coaching is the best in the area. Not even close. Portsmouth west coach would be next.

Best in area has only made it outta their region like 3 times in 15 years or so

[fbnut]

Why has burg only made it out of their region 3 or 4 times in the last 15 years or so?

Figured all that solid coaching coulda done more than that.

It’s a lot harder to develop and coach, than get transfers and coach. Burgs coaching is the best in the area. Not even close. Portsmouth west coach would be next.

Agree. Other staffs know they aren’t good x&o’s coaches and can’t develop talent so in order to be successful they have to go out and accumulate the best talent they can get in order to be successful

[BTWNTHE__]

Figured all that solid coaching coulda done more than that.

It’s a lot harder to develop and coach, than get transfers and coach. Burgs coaching is the best in the area. Not even close. Portsmouth west coach would be next.

Agree. Other staffs know they aren’t good x&o’s coaches and can’t develop talent so in order to be successful they have to go out and accumulate the best talent they can get in order to be successful

Some coaches have only made it out of their region like 3 times in the last 15 years or so.

[TomUnessa]

Who does Burg scrimmage this year? Any 7-7 information?

[packers80]

One of the years BURG didn't make it out of their region the mid west all stars didn't either. That cause BURG beatem week before. When you boil it down its still 2 state titles each. With all the talent that I-town has had come through its program....well should have more than 2, especially in the Pendleton era.

[BTWNTHE__]

One of the years BURG didn't make it out of their region the mid west all stars didn't either. That cause BURG beatem week before. When you boil it down its still 2 state titles each. With all the talent that I-town has had come through its program....well should have more than 2, especially in the Pendleton era.

When you boil it down burg coaching has only made it out of their region 3 times in the last 15 years.