Oden officially a bust!

[Pringles105]

the guy is 8 ft tall. he should DOMINATING every game. he should at least avg a double double. when he achieves dwight howard status, then we can all debate. until then, moot point.

that exagerating he had a couple of good games he one 22 point performance and he is 7 ft and most centers in the NBA are taller than that.

[qualified101]

i was kidding about 8 ft tall, geesh. he is one of the taller/physical centers in the nba.

O’Neal finished the night with 19 points and 17 rebounds in 36:15 played. Oden got into foul trouble in the second half, and finished with five points and one rebound in 14 minutes.

"I’m the shogun," said O'Neal jokingly after the game. "And before you get to the shogun, you’ve got to go through a lot of ninjas. (Oden) has to go through Dwight Howard and Yao Ming and by that time, I’ll be out of here.”

nba.com/blazers

[shakennotstirred]

oden really has a long way to go to live up to all the hype. this just shows he is still a boy among men.

[qualified101]

the same amount that oden will have at the same time in his career. lets face it, oden was supposed to come in and be an instant star, and it hasnt worked out that way(bust). that doesnt mean that he cant have a nice career, it just means he hasnt lived up to ANY of the hype.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Kobe was supposed to make a great impact as soon as he came into the league,
we was a good sixth man his rookie year, but that's about it.

Are you willing to call him a bust, baised on your definition of Oden's young career.

[shakennotstirred]

first of all kobe went directly from high school so the nation hadnt gotten a glimpse of the rapist before draft. oden played a year in college and he got the exposure. totally different expectations from each. heck, charlotte traded the pick to the lakers because they were unsure of bryant living up to the hype. oden was expected to come in and be the savior right away(maybe not fair), but this was the case. oden hasnt even made it to sean bradley material yet and may not.

comparing oden to bryant entering into the nba is comparing apples to oranges.

it might be a little premature to call oden a bust, but based upon all the hype, he hasnt delivered.

[bigben2496]

I like Dickey V most of the time but that's all we will hear Hansbrough this Hansbrough that. he's a good player but no Shaq in the middle though.

whos ever called him shaq?

[The_Legend_of_Northwest]

ive never heard Oden compared to Wilt, I've always heard him compared to Bill Russell. A player who wins championships not scoring titles, someone who takes Defense more seriously than Offense.

[seofan_via_dublin]

The comparisons to Wilt came from Oden himself, while he was in High School.

He often talked about wanting to win more titles than Russell and score more points than Wilt.

These are great goals, and I would expect no less from a player who aspires to be dominate.

He will be a force in the league, he will turn into a 20 point 15 rebound and 5-10 block per night
guy, who when he gets better in the paint can dish the ball back out to Portland's guards and pick up
5-6 assists per night as well.

One other stat that you can't track, is shots that guys didn't take because Oden was in the paint.
How many times the shooter passed the ball instead of driving and the team ended up with a miss.

No player will ever be another Wilt, Russell, Magic, Jordan, Bird, Erving, Robertson, those guys are once
a lifetime players. He can however have an impact similar to David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, or Hakim Olajawon.
Although he likely won't develope the scoring threat of Hakim.

[qualified101]

with those stats, he wont even reach dwight howard status. this is the pros, not too many people intimidated by a center.

[seofan_via_dublin]

No, try again.

With those stats after 15 years in the league he'll have

25,000 points
18,500 rebounds
4,500 blocks
5,000 assists

That would rank him all-time
15th in scoring
3rd in rebounds
1st in blocks
1st among centers in assists

This is without ever becoming a great scoring dominance.

I know being a Duke fan takes less brain cells, but at least use the ones you have.

[qualified101]

obviously im in a battle of wits in which my opponent is unarmed. now you're comparing duke to ohio state academically. thats funny.

what you didnt take into consideration is
1)oden wont play past 30 if he even makes it that far. he has already lost a year.
2)you do know what an assist is, right? centers finish the play for the most part.
3)keep dreaming

like i said, he will be good, not great.

Assists Per Game
Players Games Assists APG
1. Magic Johnson 906 10,141 11.2
2. John Stockton 1,504 15,806 10.5
3. Oscar Robertson 1,040 9,887 9.5
4. Isiah Thomas 979 9,061 9.3
5. Jason Kidd 946 8,691 9.2
6. Kevin Johnson 735 6,711 9.1
7. Norm Nixon 768 6,386 8.3
8. Tim Hardaway 867 7,095 8.2
9. Kevin Porter 659 5,314 8.1
10. Mark Jackson 1,296 10,334 8.0
11. Stephon Marbury 799 6,283 7.9
12. Guy Rodgers 892 6,917 7.8
13. Muggsy Bogues 889 6,726 7.6
14. Steve Nash 779 5,890 7.6
15. Andre Miller 651 4,921 7.6
16. Bob Cousy 924 6,955 7.5
17. Nate Archibald 876 6,476 7.4
18. Johnny Moore 520 3,866 7.4
19. Rod Strickland 1,094 7,987 7.3
20. Baron Davis 526 3,777 7.2
21. John Lucas 928 6,454 7.0
22. Norm Van Lier 746 5,217 7.0
23. Micheal Ray Richardson 556 3,899 7.0
24. Jamaal Tinsley 359 2,460 6.9
25. Brevin Knight 581 3,963 6.8
26. Gary Payton 1,335 8,966 6.7
27. Maurice Cheeks 1,101 7,392 6.7
28. Lenny Wilkens 1,077 7,211 6.7
29. Mookie Blaylock 889 5,972 6.7
30. Mark Price 722 4,863 6.7


Rebounds Per Game
Players Games OFF DEF REB RPG
1. Wilt Chamberlan 1,045 N/A N/A 23.924 22.91
2. Bill Russell 963 N/A N/A 21,620 22.45
3. Bob Petit 792 N/A N/A 12,849 16.22
4. Jerry Lucas 829 62 312 12,942 15.61
5. Nate Thurmond 964 744 1,827 14,464 15.00
6. Wes Unseld 984 2,085 4,974 13,769 13.99
7. Walt Bellamy 1,043 264 481 14,241 13.65
8. Dave Cowens 766 1,574 5,122 10,444 13.63
9. Elgin Baylor 846 N/A N/A 11,463 13.54
10. George Mikan 520 N/A N/A 4,167 13.40
11. Dennis Rodman 911 4,329 7,625 11,954 13.12
12. Willis Reed 650 47 94 8,414 12.94
13. Gus Johnson 581 N/A N/A 7,379 12.70
14. Elvin Hayes 1,303 2,778 6,973 16,279 12.49
15. Moses Malone 1,329 6,731 9,481 16,212 12.19
16. Dolph Schayes 1,059 N/A N/A 11,256 12.10
17. Bill Bridges 926 257 376 11,054 11.93
18. Harry Gallatin 682 N/A N/A 6,684 11.90
19. Tim Duncan 746 2,354 6,512 8,866 11.88
20. Charles Barkley 1,073 4,260 8,286 12,546 11.69
21. Shaquille O'Neal 981 3,715 7,664 11,379 11.59
22. Kevin Garnett 927 2,571 7,971 10,542 11.37
23. Neil Johnston 516 N/A N/A 5,856 11.32
24. Walter Dukes 553 N/A N/A 6,223 11.30
25. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1,560 2,975 9,394 17,440 11.17
26. Johnny Kerr 905 N/A N/A 10,092 11.15
27. Hakeem Olajuwon 1,238 4,034 9,714 13,748 11.10
28. Dave DeBusschere 875 134 623 9,618 10.99
29. Swen Nater 489 1,538 3,759 5,297 10.80
30. Ben Wallace 775 26,19 5,681 8,300 10.70

Blocks Per Game
Players Games Blocks BPG
1. Mark Eaton 875 3,064 3.50
2. Manute Bol 624 2,086 3.34
3. Hakeem Olajuwon 1,238 3,830 3.09
4. David Robinson 987 2,954 2.99
5. Elmore Smith 562 1,183 2.90
6. Alonzo Mourning 813 2,314 2.85
7. Dikembe Mutombo 1,148 3,230 2.81
8. Theo Ratliff 679 1,818 2.68
9. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1,560 3,189 2.57
10. Marcus Camby 616 1,577 2.56
11. Shawn Bradley 832 2,119 2.55
12. Andrei Kirilenko 420 1,049 2.50
13. Shaquille O'Neal 981 2,432 2.48
14. Josh Smith 226 559 2.47
15. Tim Duncan 746 1,840 2.47
16. George T. Johnson 904 2,082 2.46
17. Patrick Ewing 1,183 2,894 2.45
18. Ben Wallace 775 1,756 2.27
19. Bill Walton 468 1,034 2.21
20. Larry Nance 920 2,027 2.20
21. Tree Rollins 1,156 2,542 2.20
22. Elton Brand 606 1,274 2.10
23. Nate Thurmond 964 553 2.06
24. Elvin Hates 1,303 1,771 1.98
25. Benoit Benjamin 807 1,581 1.96
26. Artis Gilmore 909 1,747 1.92
27. Jermaine O'Neal 683 1,311 1.92
28. Samuel Dalembert 336 642 1.91
29. Pau Gasol 437 821 1.88
30. Yao Ming 349 651 1.87

http://www.talkhoops.net/HistoryStatsBPG.html

so you're saying that oden will have half as many assists as magic johnson in his career. NOT!

you're also saying that he will have more blocks than hakeem and mutumbo. NOT!

and, hes going to out rebound kareem and moses. NOT!

you truly are off your rocker. take off the scarlet and gray glasses. you do know he is playing in portland with all those forwards who are pretty good. this is fun. what next? more steals than jordan, stockton, or payton? funny stuff.

[seofan_via_dublin]

what you didnt take into consideration is
1)oden wont play past 30 if he even makes it that far. he has already lost a year.
2)you do know what an assist is, right? centers finish the play for the most part.
3)keep dreaming

Oden only needs to play to 35 in order to play 15 seasons, he'll do that.
Yes I know what an assist is, and as I said when he becomes a better threat at scoring
he will be able to kick it out to a guard for a score, hence and Assist. 3-5 assists per game
will not be hard for him to get.

like i said, he will be good, not great.

No, you said he was already a bust, after playing only two games.
Memory loss, don't worry it gets everyone eventually.

obviously im in a battle of wits in which my opponent is unarmed. now you're comparing duke to ohio state academically. thats funny.

Never compared Duke and Ohio State academically, you must have skipped reading and comprehension class during second grade.
I said it didn't take many brain cells to be a Duke fan.

[tarheels18]

i wouldn't call him a bust. he has had six double doubles this season. missing a whole last year i would say that is pretty good.

[qualified101]

what you didnt take into consideration is
1)oden wont play past 30 if he even makes it that far. he has already lost a year.
2)you do know what an assist is, right? centers finish the play for the most part.
3)keep dreaming

Oden only needs to play to 35 in order to play 15 seasons, he'll do that.
Yes I know what an assist is, and as I said when he becomes a better threat at scoring
he will be able to kick it out to a guard for a score, hence and Assist. 3-5 assists per game
will not be hard for him to get.

like i said, he will be good, not great.

No, you said he was already a bust, after playing only two games.
Memory loss, don't worry it gets everyone eventually.

obviously im in a battle of wits in which my opponent is unarmed. now you're comparing duke to ohio state academically. thats funny.

Never compared Duke and Ohio State academically, you must have skipped reading and comprehension class during second grade.
I said it didn't take many brain cells to be a Duke fan.

he is a bust so far based upon expectations(reread your reading and comprehension statement above). if oden has the ball underneath which is where he will be 95% of the time, why in the world wold you want him kicking a ball out for a harder shot. makes no sense.

so now its 3-5 assists per game instead of 5 per game? which is it? make up your mind. oden is having a hard time beating out przybilla right now for playing time. he better start doing something or portland will look for a way to move him which would actually be a good thing for oden. like i said before, seems like a nice guy.

[qualified101]

again tarheels, based upon expectations, so far he hasnt lived up to them. a double/double, are you kidding me? 7 ft tall, 257 pounds(280) when he hits 23-26 year old range. is anybody happy with a dbl/dbl with his suppos-ed overpowering strength and ability? doubt it.

[tarheels18]

im sure the team is happy with a double double

[qualified101]

with their number one pick. second year in the league. injury prone. things that make you go hmmm.

[qualified101]

foul trouble and stamina seem to be his two glaring downsides right now. the stamina he can work on, but the foul trouble thing, learn to play good d and not rely on shot blocking all the time.

good luck mr oden.

[shakennotstirred]

he fouled out tonight.