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Wonder if Billy Hamilton can play shortstop at the major league level? 103 sb last year, WOW!!!


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Have fun without Votto.


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BBallin fool wrote:Is it just a rumor??? Votto for Rays starting pitcher James Shields???
If this is done in this, or possibly the next off season I may never watch the Reds again!!!


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Best not trade Votto it will come back and bite you like the Hamilton deal did!!!


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The Reds are worried that Votto is signed for only two more years and they that he'll be too expensive for them to resign long term!!! But trading him even up for Shields ( who is very good) is absolute craziness!!


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Hope the Reds don't give Yonder Alonso away for nothing alot of talk Cleveland & Whitesox hes only 25!!! and one hell of a hitter.


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How about they can dusty baker first


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Winter meeting start today!!!


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BBallin fool wrote:Is it just a rumor??? Votto for Rays starting pitcher James Shields???


You would think the Reds would have learned from the Volquez for hamilton trade not to do something stupid like that again.

How can you jsutify trading a guy that will more than likely knock in over 100 runs for you as well as score over 100 runs for a guy that might pitch in 25 games. Win maybe 15 of them, but wouldn't win a one of them if it wasn't for a guy like Votto producing runs for the team? I jsut don't understand teams that trade hitting for pitching, especially a top hitter like Votto. if it was Stubbs, then I say go for it.


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yabbadabbadoo wrote:
BBallin fool wrote:Is it just a rumor??? Votto for Rays starting pitcher James Shields???


You would think the Reds would have learned from the Volquez for hamilton trade not to do something stupid like that again.

How can you jsutify trading a guy that will more than likely knock in over 100 runs for you as well as score over 100 runs for a guy that might pitch in 25 games. Win maybe 15 of them, but wouldn't win a one of them if it wasn't for a guy like Votto producing runs for the team? I jsut don't understand teams that trade hitting for pitching, especially a top hitter like Votto. if it was Stubbs, then I say go for it.
While I agree with you in theory. Shields is 20x's the pitcher Volquez was when the Reds made the trade for him.


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updates!!!


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Not 1 thing was done??? Just because Pujols is gone does not mean your going to win the Div.man they need some help!!!


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Rumor has it that Shields is out of the picture now too. So not only did we miss out on Willingham, we haven't made a single move yet. However, we did improve the AA coaching staff. "Winning...."

I will give up on the Reds if they sit back this entire offseason.


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Breaking News: Red's just acquired Mat Latos from the Padres for Volquez, Alonso, Boxberger, and Grandal.

If you ask me the Reds gave up too much for a #2 pitcher. I like the trade if it's Shields or someone more proven, but not Latos. Oh well, hope it all pans out for us. I can't complain too much, at least they didn't sit back all offseason.


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I think Jocketty felt the pressure to do something. Latos is a good pitcher but giving up four players was a little much. I wouldn't have complained if it were Volquez, Grandal, and Alonso. Boxberger was on track to be the Reds future closer/set up. I like the fact that Latos is under team control for a few years though. Hopefully Great American Small Park is kind to him.

If Homer Bailey continues to improve like he has been and actually stays healthy they will have a pretty decent rotation. I like the rotation of Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Arroyo, and Leake. If Bailey doesn't pitch well or gets injured Wood, LeCure, or ??? can fill in. Even though they traded away alot of talent they didn't have to give up any pitching so they still have good depth.

The Reds are still in need of a closer and LF so it will be interesting to see what they do next. I wouldn't be surprised if they filled the holes from within the organization.


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They also need a SS. Cozart still has to get better to be a solid SS. I just hope we do some damage in the NL Central this year.


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Cozart was on fire before he got injured so hopefully he can pick up where he left off. I'll take him over Janish anyday.


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GREAT move. Got rid of Volquez (thankfully) Alonzo and Grandal weren't gonna play for this team. Boxberger is tough to give away but Latos is worth it.


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Stubbs Will he go or stay?


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Chances are Stubbs will stay. Trading him would create a hole in CF that they can't fill. I think Heisey will get alot of playing time in LF unless they sign a FA or trade for a better player.

They are rumored to be going Jason Kubel, a left handed OF who played for the Twins the past few years. I think he would be a cheap addition that could pay off if he could put up the same numbers from 2009: .300 AVG 28 HR 103 RBI. Lifetime he's a .271 batter. Since Heisey can't hit lefties I think they would make a great platoon.

They are also looking for more pitching so a cheaper starter like Zach Duke would be good for depth.


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