Big Ten Officials in Bowls!

[seofan_via_dublin]

They called an unsportsman like conduct penalty on KState, it cost Them a chance to win the game!!!

The penalty...The kid saluted the crowd!!!

Guess what, for all those players on Oregon and Auburn that love to celebrate, the Big 10 officials are calling your national title game.

These guys are assclowns!

[Tigercannon71]

Wait hold on a second. Your over on the other threads saying how Pryor and his guys should be suspended for breaking NCAA rules yet here you are complaining when Officials actually uphopld the rules. You cant have it both ways. Those guys broke a rule off the field these guys are breaking rules on the field. Excessive Celebration is just like a hold or offside. Its a penalty if you dont enforce it teh game gets out fo hand with people taunting others and thats how fights start.

[Matt52]

if a kid from Navy,Army,Air Force does that should it be called?

[Hoggy]

if a kid from Navy,Army,Air Force does that should it be called?

Yes.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Getting a touchdown and saluting the crowd, watch the action it is nowhere near excessive, that's far from "breaking the rules".

You can't compare a penalty in the game to an NCAA violation.

[gymrat88]

The call was a joke. In the Tennessee/UNC game I saw a QB do a double throat slit with his hands after he threw a td pass, and you're telling me that is not a penalty but saluting is? And also if you watch the highlights kstate/cuse game you can see syracuse players celebrating after almost every td. This call is just another example of officials drawing attention to themselves.

[Tigercannon71]

Just cause some offcials call it and some dont doesnt mean its not illegal.

The following comes straight from the NCAA rulebook.

Statement on Sportsmanship

After reviewing a number of plays involving unsportsmanlike
conduct, the committee is firm in its support of the unsportsmanlike
conduct rules as they currently are written and officiated. Many of
these fouls deal with players who inappropriately draw attention
to themselves in a premeditated, excessive or prolonged manner.
Players should be taught the discipline that reinforces football as a team game.

SECTION 2. Unsportsmanlike Conduct Fouls
Unsportsmanlike Acts
ARTICLE 1. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct or any act
that interferes with orderly game administration on the part of players,
substitutes, coaches, authorized attendants or any other persons subject to
the rules, before the game, during the game or between periods.
a. Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall
use abusive, threatening or obscene language or gestures, or engage
in such acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to
game officials or to the image of the game, including but not limited
to:
(a) Pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent, or
imitating the slashing of the throat.
(b) Taunting, baiting or ridiculing an opponent verbally.
(c) Inciting an opponent or spectators in any other way, such as
simulating the firing of a weapon or placing a hand by the ear to
request recognition.
(d) Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by
which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon
himself (or themselves).

I think saluting falls under c. So its not the officials that are wrong its the players. The officials that dont call it are doing it wrong.

[Tigercannon71]

Getting a touchdown and saluting the crowd, watch the action it is nowhere near excessive, that's far from "breaking the rules".

You can't compare a penalty in the game to an NCAA violation.

No no no its still breaking the rules see my above post. We cant pick and chose what rules we follow. We might not agree with a rule either on the field or off, but if you are going to blast kids for one (Ohio state players) you cant have double standards. That kid kne wthere was a chance he would get flagged and he took it and he got flagged. Dont blame the offcials for calling it like they are supposed to.

[Hoggy]

Just cause some offcials call it and some dont doesnt mean its not illegal.

The following comes straight from the NCAA rulebook.

Statement on Sportsmanship

After reviewing a number of plays involving unsportsmanlike
conduct, the committee is firm in its support of the unsportsmanlike
conduct rules as they currently are written and officiated. Many of
these fouls deal with players who inappropriately draw attention
to themselves in a premeditated, excessive or prolonged manner.
Players should be taught the discipline that reinforces football as a team game.

SECTION 2. Unsportsmanlike Conduct Fouls
Unsportsmanlike Acts
ARTICLE 1. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct or any act
that interferes with orderly game administration on the part of players,
substitutes, coaches, authorized attendants or any other persons subject to
the rules, before the game, during the game or between periods.
a. Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall
use abusive, threatening or obscene language or gestures, or engage
in such acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to
game officials or to the image of the game, including but not limited
to:
(a) Pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent, or
imitating the slashing of the throat.
(b) Taunting, baiting or ridiculing an opponent verbally.
(c) Inciting an opponent or spectators in any other way, such as
simulating the firing of a weapon or placing a hand by the ear to
request recognition.
(d) Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by
which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon
himself (or themselves).

I think saluting falls under c. So its not the officials that are wrong its the players. The officials that dont call it are doing it wrong.

Uh oh........facts to back up a statement! I agree that opinions should not be a factor and rules are rules.....regardless if we like them or not!

[seofan_via_dublin]

Using Tigercannon's reasoning on other threads the flag should have been thrown but then the following explanation given:

"the player committed a violation of a rule for on the field actions, there would normally be a 15 yard penalty assessed, however, the player is young and made a mistake. Therefore, we will ignore the violation, because certainly players do this all the time, and who in the real world hasn't done something similar. The ball will be spotted as if nothing happened."

[Tigercannon71]

Im not saying he should have flagged the kid. Myself I would have told the kid not to do it again or he would be flagged.

But your complaining about the officials saying they are assclowns when all they are doing is their job.

Im just trying to figure out how you can condemn players for doing something they didnt know they couldnt do, yet in the next breath you are cussing officials for penalizing a player for doing something that he knows is against the rules and has been since he was in pee wee football. You are being hypocritical.

[seofan_via_dublin]

THEY KNEW THEY COULDN'T SELL THE STUFF!

[Tigercannon71]

Who told them they couldnt sell it? When I played college ball no one told me I couldnt sell my stuff that I earned on the field. I was never told I coudlnt sell my practice jersey or anything. I was told other things I couldnt do, but was never told that maybe the NAIA has different rules, but I wasnt told that.

I was told that I couldnt do the throat slash, dance, spike the ball, give the Stone Cold Salute, or other clebratory motions after I did something good.

[Charge]

If you had been good enough to play D1 they would have told you all that stuff.

[Tigercannon71]

Maybe, but still college football is college football. I played thats all I cared about plus I got my education payed for so thats all I cared about.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Every year they have a compliance meeting. At this meeting these very issues are discussed.

I've listened to Craig Krenzel, Bobby Carpenter, Thadious Gibson, Malcom Jenkins, James Laurenitas, and Will Smith this week all say that they were expressly told in these meetings that they could not sell clothing, jerseys, rings, gold pants, or anything supplied to them by them university or football team, while they are enrolled at the university.

They were told, they knew, and Gene Smith fed the NCAA a load of crap so that they would stop digging.

[Tigercannon71]

Ok same goes with knowing what you can and cant do on the field. You know you can salute the crowd or things like that so its not the officials fault they called it correctly. If you want to yell at anyone yell at the kid for costing his team the game.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Fine

[seofan_via_dublin]

Still a call that didn't need to be made.

[farmer]

The Buckeyes got flagged for using both hands to make an O after scoring TD's against the Team Up North. That didn't take anything away from the game or really excite the crowd but it is a flag. It is not the refs but the rules that need changed. Because if the refs do not make that call then that is against them when they rate the refs. It could cost them later. They did earn the right to work the Bowl Game from the work they did during the season.

This is not the first time this has happened. One of the big examples was when Jake Locker of Washington scored a TD last year to what he thought won the game only to have it taken away. The problem is the way things were in college football in the late 80's and early 90's with teams like Miami. So the NCAA goes overboard to keep it from getting out of hand.

The Big 10 refs also did the Tenn vs NC game and they did get the call right at the end of the game which Tenn thought they had won. Only to lose the game in 2 OT.