New Ironton vs. Logan series: Will this happen?

[Paladin]

I agree. The SEOAL should never bring them back again. While "travel" was the sham reason given, most neutral observers couldn't help but notice that all the smack talk was buried in the Logan game, totally embarrassing the trash talkers and heaping scorn on the town as poor losers ( little bit of truth there). Travel wasn't the problem as evidenced by scheduling most of the league after they left. I have not heard any talk of scheduling Ironton by Logan. Poor losers should be left to twist in the wind of the mess they created. The league extended a hand , THREE TIMES, and the last time lead to a quick exit when they found out they couldn't win the league anymore.

The SEOAL will get along fine without them.

[BigCarlito72]

Poor losers? Cannot win the leauge anymore? This is classic. All this coming from a program who has NEVER done anything in the playoffs and outside of its leauge gets manhandled. The interesting thing to me is the way Logan perceives itself to be an elite program when in fact they trail Ironton in head to head match up, playoff wins, playoff appearances, state titles etc etc etc! It is amazing what a handfull of wins does to peoples perception of themselves. Logan fans jump on their high horse and say we are too "big" for Ironton we are better suited to be playing Colombus or Nati schools yet these schools you so want to be mentioned with destroy them every time. Logan has beat up the seoal the last few seasons,including Ironton and then get in the playoffs against so called schools their size or caliber and what happens every time? LOL WAXED! It is funny because Logan fans will say well we beat Ironton last year or the year before or the year before and then an Ironton fan will say well ya know what Ironton vs. Logan use to be a laugher, Logan struggling to match Irontons speed and Ironton runnning up the score year in and year out and then they respnd with "do not talk about the past", or "Ironton fans always bring up the past" and so on and so forth. The past is the past whether it be 2 or 20 years ago people. last weeks destruction of Logan @ the hands of Lancaster is a prime example. Logan, they say they are too much for this but cannot hang with that. Logan
Ironton leads series 16-8
Years Winner Score
1927 Ironton (H) 1 0
1929 Ironton (H) 38 0
1968 Logan (A) 8 0
1969 Ironton (H) 20 0
1970 Logan (A) 14 7
1971 Logan (H) 22 19
1972 Ironton (A) 7 0
1973 Ironton (H) 22 0
1974 Ironton (A) 35 0
1975 Ironton (H) 27 7
1976 Ironton (A) 8 0
1977 Logan (H) 21 14
1979 Ironton (H) 42 6
1980 Ironton (A) 28 0
1981 Ironton (H) 40 6
1982 Ironton (A) 42 30
1983 Ironton (H) 14 7
1984 Ironton (A) 42 0
1989 Ironton (A) 44 6
1990 Ironton (H) 35 0
2006 Logan (H) 7 0
2007 Logan (A) 53 14
2008 Logan (A) 35 10
2009 Logan (H) 21
Excuse me if Im wrong but it looks as if Ironton has had 5 and 8 game winning streaks against Logan and Logan has defeated Ironton 4 consecutive times and played ironton @ home two years in a row and that is dominance? Also Logans widest margin of victory ever against ironton was 39 points in 07 yet Ironton has destroyed Logan several years in games where Logan did not even belong with us on the field. Hmmm? TEAMS BY NUMBER OF APPEARANCES IN FOOTBALL STATE FINALS


1972 - 2009

Most appearances in the finals (5 or more appearances)

Team name / number of appearances / (won-lost)


1) Newark Catholic 13 (8-5)
2 tie) Cincinnati Archbishop Moeller 11 (7-4)
2 tie) Cleveland St. Ignatius 11 (10-1)
4) Youngstown Cardinal Mooney 10 (7-3)
5) Versailles 9 (6-3)
6 tie) St. Henry 8 (6-2)
6 tie) Ironton 8 (2-6)
6 tie) Columbus St. Francis DeSales 8 (3-5)
9 tie) Cleveland Benedictine 7 (6-1)
9 tie) Mogadore 7 (3-4)
11 tie) Delphos St. John's 6 (5-1)
11 tie) Canton McKinley 6 (3-3)
11 tie) Cincinnati Princeton 6 (3-3)
11 tie) Steubenville 6 (3-3)
15 tie) Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary 5 (4-1)
15 tie) Maria Stein Marion Local 5 (4-1)
15 tie) Amanda-Clearcreek 5 (2-3)
15 tie) Cincinnati St. Xavier 5 (2-3)
15 tie) Coldwater 5 (2-3)

* 11 teams have been in the finals exactly 4 times.
none are 4-0
5 are 3-1
2 are 2-2
4 are 1-3
none are 0-4

* 14 teams have been in the finals exactly 3 times.
2 are 3-0
6 are 2-1
3 are 1-2
3 are 0-3

* 31 teams have been in the finals exactly twice.
5 are 2-0
17 are 1-1
9 are 0-2

* 91 teams have been in the finals exactly once.
33 are 1-0
58 are 0-1

166 teams have been in at least one final

96 teams have won at least one championship

Anyone see mighty Logan on that list either? Hmmmm? Well lets see, Logan has eight playoff appearances as a program...8..WHOAAAA !!! Meanwhile Ironton has how many? 27 or so? Which is like 3rd most in state history? Hmmmm? Let's continue shall we. TOP TEAMS BY NUMBER OF APPEARANCES IN FINALS UPDATED THROUGH 2007

AS OF END OF 2007 SEASON

Most appearances in the finals (5 or more appearances)

1) Newark Catholic 13 (8-5)
2) Cincinnati Archbishop Moeller 11 (7-4)
3) Cleveland St. Ignatius 10 (9-1)
4 tie) Versailles 9 (6-3)
4 tie) Youngstown Cardinal Mooney 9 (6-3)
6 tie) St. Henry 8 (6-2)
6 tie) Ironton 8 (2-6)
8 tie) Cleveland Benedictine 7 (6-1)
8 tie) Columbus St. Francis DeSales 7 (3-4)
8 tie) Mogadore 7 (3-4)
11 tie) Canton McKinley 6 (3-3)
11 tie) Cincinnati Princeton 6 (3-3)
13 tie) Akron St.Vincent-St. Mary 5 (4-1)
13 tie) Maria Stein Marion Local 5 (4-1)
13 tie) Steubenville 5 (3-2)
13 tie) Amanda-Clearcreek 5 (2-3)
13 tie) Cincinnati St. Xavier 5 (2-3)

My eyes must be going bad surely the high and mighty Chieftans are on this list riiiight? Hmmm?OHSFCA Playoff Success Rankings through 2009



This chart gauges the success of Ohio high school football programs since the inception of the Ohio Football Playoffs using the formula of:
1 point per playoff appearance
2 points per playoff victory
3 points per championship

Team Name (win-loss) (appearances) (titles) points

1) Newark Catholic (62-22) (30) (8) 178
2) Cleveland St. Ignatius (56-12) (22) (10) 164
3) Youngstown Cardinal Mooney (49-16) (23) (7) 142
4) Columbus DeSales (47-17) (20) (3) 123
5) Steubenville (45-19) (22) (3) 121
6) Versailles (43-10) (16) (6) 120
7) Mogadore (43-20) (23) (3) 118
8) Cincinnati Moeller (34-21) (28) (7) 117
9) St. Henry (41-8) (14) (6) 114
10) Ironton (40-25) (27) (2) 113
11) Delphos St. John's (39-7) (12) (5) 105
12) Cleveland Benedictine (34-10) (16) (6) 102
13) Maria Stein Marion Local (37-8) (12) (4) 98
14) Coldwater (37-13) (15) (2) 95
15) Canton McKinley (33-15) (18) (3) 93
16) Columbus Watterson (34-19) (20) (1) 91
17) Amanda Clearcreek (33-14) (16) (2) 88
18) Mentor Lake Catholic (30-14) (17) (3) 86
19) Germantown Valley View (30-13) (16) (3) 85
20) Youngstown Ursuline (29-12) (15) (3) 82
21) Cincinnati St. Xavier (28-14) (16) (2) 78
22) Kettering Alter (27-13) (15) (2) 75
Marion Pleasant (24-15) (18) (3) 75
24) Orrville (25-19) (20) (1) 73
Warren JFK (26-17) (18) (1) 73
26) Cincinnati Elder (26-12) (14) (2) 72
Norwalk St. Paul (28-12) (13) (1) 72
28) Akron Buchtel (25-10) (12) (2) 68
Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary (21-10) 14) (4) 68
Massillon (25-18) (18) (0) 68
31) Cincinnati Colerain (26-11) (12) (1) 67
Wheelersburg (21-21) (22) (1) 67
33) St. Marys Memorial (20-12) (15) (3) 64
34) Liberty Center (23-13) (14) (1) 63
35) Cuyahoga Falls Walsh Jesuit (22-14) (15) (1) 62
Newark Licking Valley (25-12) (12) (0) 62
37) Cincinnati Princeton (19-11) (14) (3) 61
38) Avon Lake (21-14) (15) (1) 60
Hilliard Davidson (22-8) (10) (2) 60
40) Chardon (22-10) (11) (1) 58
Fostoria (19-12) (14) (2) 58
42) Hamilton Badin (18-17) (18) (1) 57
43) Dola Hardin Northern (20-11) (12) (1) 55
44) Hamler Patrick Henry (19-11) (12) (1) 53
Piqua (20-9) (10) (1) 53
Toledo St. Francis (17-11) (13) (2) 53
47) Elyria Catholic (15-10) (13) (3) 52
48) Solon (18-15) (15) (0) 51
49) C.A.P.E. (16-6 (9) (3) 50
Columbus Brookhaven (17-12) (13) (1) 50 Now I am certain that Logan is here, please tell me this is a typo right? Hmmm? Also Ironton has outscored Logan by something like 485 to 133 all time. Hmmmm? Interesting huh? Last seasons final score 21-7, destruction? Facts! Like I said 3 wins does not constitute dominance when speaking of these two teams but the facts hold true that Ironton mostly year in and year out is all Logan can handle and then some. :122245 Sounds as if deep down in places you do not talk about ya may have exhaled a bit when Ironton left. :122245 If anyone in Logan does not want Ironton it is because they do not wanna face year in and year out the potential of having their asses handed to them by a "river school"! Like I said if it happens we welcome and are more than up to the challenge. Then again Logan likes to fold up against the challenge...just ask any team they play in their "multiple" playoff appearances!

[farmer]

Ironton has not won since 1990. So it is better to bring up history and playoff records not the recent game results. Guess the recent games do not count.

[moonshine]

This is all sour grapes! Remember ironton cut and ran! I have heard no talk of scheduling any teams outside of a 50 to 65 mile radius! Let's al grow up and leave the kitty cats alone.

[dazed&confused]

I thought Ironton lost money when they played Logan because no one showed up at the gate. Why would they want to schedule it back again?

[85inside]

I agree with Paladin and other Logan fans on here. I don't think the Ironton-Logan series is a good idea. Neither team travels well to the other place anymore. Logan was really good last time Ironton played them at home and i bet they didnt bring 300 people to Ironton. Same goes for Ironton. We didnt take many that way the last time either. It just isnt a good non conference game for either team in my opinion. I know I would go to Logan, but certainly dont want to. i think it is the worse drive we have ever taken. I am sure the Logan fans feel the same.

I think Logan is doing what is best for the future of their program. They dont need to be playing down 2 and a half divisions. Playing Lancaster, reynoldsburg, Zanesville and maybe one of the Picktown schools is a good fit for them and hopefully it will help them build their program to get over the playoff hill a bit. The SEOAL seems to be returning to a competition level that rivaled the late 70's and early 80's. Logan should have no trouble in the SEOAL again this season. Unfortunately, that will not do anything to help them come week 11, if they qualify.

[loganlocos]

I agree with Paladin and other Logan fans on here. I don't think the Ironton-Logan series is a good idea. Neither team travels well to the other place anymore. Logan was really good last time Ironton played them at home and i bet they didnt bring 300 people to Ironton. Same goes for Ironton. We didnt take many that way the last time either. It just isnt a good non conference game for either team in my opinion. I know I would go to Logan, but certainly dont want to. i think it is the worse drive we have ever taken. I am sure the Logan fans feel the same.

Good Post.

[dazed&confused]

I'll raise another issue that is usually not accepted well on here....but, Logan needs to seperate from the SEOAL. It will happen sooner if not later. Logan matches up better logisitics-wise against teams in central Ohio like a few of the teams mentioned above. I know traditionalists will howl but that is the way I see it. You could keep a couple of SEOAL teams on the schedule like Gallia and Jackson but other than that, bigger schools closer to home are the way of the future for Logan.

[1987chieftains]

i think BigCarlito72 is just stiring up crap! i've heard nothing about this. i've heard more about a route 33 league then this malarkie.

[maniac66]

Losing prop for both teams won't happen.
The travel is bad for both teams and n gate money to be made.
As far as matching up the next few years would be interesting but not worth much to logan if they lost.
As fas as scheduling goes Ironton will be ok in the future with it.
Good luck to Logan could be a rough year for you but I think you all will be ok in the end good luck with you run to the playoffs.

[85inside]

Here are a couple of good future possible matchups for Logan:

New Albany D2
Newark Licking Valley D3
Sheridan D3
Watkins Memorial D2

[1987chieftains]

i'd like to see a newark / logan or watkins / logan. way back in the day (late 80's) we used to scrimmage watkins

[Paladin]

Frankly, I like playing the D-I schools, especially those that aren't the usual Champs ( Coffman, Davidson, UA,etc). Makes for good competition, great computer points and gets good crowds from Logan interested. Top D-2 programs too like New Albany, Big Nut. Thats who Logan is. May as well play. It only makes you better.

[BigCarlito72]

Here are a couple of good future possible matchups for Logan:

New Albany D2
Newark Licking Valley D3
Sheridan D3
Watkins Memorial D2

Logan fans do not want to seperate from that leauge and be made to play those schools they want padded stats, seoal conf wins and week 11 failure! Just look @ their website...not much emphasis on post season play, then again it is Logan! Would love to see another few games but they really do not want it, or to face the possibility of getting that ass spanked!

[BigCarlito72]

Ironton has not won since 1990. So it is better to bring up history and playoff records not the recent game results. Guess the recent games do not count.

I "brought it all up" and laid it on the table sir!

[C-Bolt]

Frankly, I like playing the D-I schools, especially those that aren't the usual Champs ( Coffman, Davidson, UA,etc). Makes for good competition, great computer points and gets good crowds from Logan interested. Top D-2 programs too like New Albany, Big Nut. Thats who Logan is. May as well play. It only makes you better.

You got that right,I know I'm not gonna go see Logan beat up some little cream puff 50-0 ,rather go see an opera. Ironton is not a creampuff but alot of schools around fit the category then have to hear all the whining about Logan being so big.....

[BigCarlito72]

Frankly, I like playing the D-I schools, especially those that aren't the usual Champs ( Coffman, Davidson, UA,etc). Makes for good competition, great computer points and gets good crowds from Logan interested. Top D-2 programs too like New Albany, Big Nut. Thats who Logan is. May as well play. It only makes you better.

You got that right,I know I'm not gonna go see Logan beat up some little cream puff 50-0 ,rather go see an opera. Ironton is not a creampuff but alot of schools around fit the category then have to hear all the whining about Logan being so big.....

Outside of Ironton and Portsmouth, NY on some years and jackson once in a long while their whole leauge was cream puffs! Seriously, if Portsmouth were to follow and leave as well and with Ironton gone this is stil a quality conf for Logan? Honestly Logan gets more of a challenge from Gallia or Jackson or Warren than Ironton or even Portsmouth year in and year out? They have no trouble being in a conf with schools this "size" but a reg season out of conf series and Logan fans say NOOOOOOOOO and say well we should be getting our asses handed to us by Colombus schools but the truth is they do NOT really wanna face Ironton year in and year out anymore because they know they were up for them historically the last 3 or 4 years and now they are evening out again and that is just too much of a possibility to get beat by Ironton....historically this is the trend. Let us not fool ourselves into believing Logan to be a great football tradition because they are not and never have been. They just had a few very good even great years with some phenomenal players and that is it. Starting this year they will begin to revert back to being the Logan we have all known and loved. So keep getting whipped by those schools and when ya sprout a new set and loose some of that phony pride you can come down here and getcha some too. Trust me when I say this, Ironton would WELCOME another matchup with this bunch, the challenge is great and like it or not somewhat of a rivalry has developed. The seoal conf be damned, Ironton vs. Logan WAS the matchup in the conference, point blank and simple! Let me let you in on a lil secret also, Logan fans gave a big exhale when Ironton left that schedule because they seen last year, they heard they were trailing @ the half and only won 21-7 in what was a defensive struggle for most of the game. They know they do not field succesfull teams or better players than Ironton on a yearly basis and they know the last 3 or 4 years were NOT a representation of the entire story of this matchup. THEY KNOW! Let em all spout about the last few years. let Wheelersburg fans who evidentially live vicariously through Logan on here because they cannot beat Ironton with any regularity yack about Ironton running from the conference, Logan fans know Ironton was closing in on them AGAIN and still they are more closely matched with us than a St. Francis Desales or a BrookHaven or etc etc etc!!! Thats facts!

[Paladin]

Frankly, all I'm reading is a blowhard. If you wanted the match-up "so bad", you shouldn't have run from the league. The game was there every year. By turning yellow and running , you can pull what the tigger faithful used to do -- brag every year and predict a big win over Logan that somehow always blew up in your face and made you out to be second rate. Now you pull the same crap but know there is no game and you can't lose anymore. So let it rip, hotair.

No one cares.