glodal warming fact or crap??

[1987chieftains]

this is an interesting artical on forbes.com. i have heard some of this before but, i thought i'd see what some of you thought about the this issue.

Hot Sensations Vs. Cold Facts
Larry Bell
The media owe us better coverage on the climate than alarmism.

As 2010 draws to a close, do you remember hearing any good news from the mainstream media about climate? Like maybe a headline proclaiming "Record Low 2009 and 2010 Cyclonic Activity Reported: Global Warming Theorists Perplexed"? Or "NASA Studies Report Oceans Entering New Cooling Phase: Alarmists Fear Climate Science Budgets in Peril"? Or even anything bad that isn't blamed on anthropogenic (man-made) global warming--of course other than what is attributed to George W. Bush? (Conveniently, the term "AGW" covers both.)

Remember all the media brouhaha about global warming causing hurricanes that commenced following the devastating U.S. 2004 season? Opportunities to capitalize on those disasters were certainly not lost on some U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change officials. A special press conference called by IPCC spokesman Kevin Trenberth announced "Experts warn global warming likely to continue spurring more outbreaks of intense activity,"But there was a problem. Christopher Landsea, a top U.S. expert on the subject, repeatedly notified the IPCC that no research had been conducted to support that claim--not in the Atlantic basin, or in any other basin. After receiving no replies, he publicly resigned from all IPCC activities. And while the press conference received tumultuous global media coverage, Mother Nature didn't pay much attention. Subsequent hurricane seasons returned to average patterns noted historically over the past 150 years, before exhibiting recent record lows with no 2010 U.S. landfalls.

Much global warming alarm centers upon concerns that melting glaciers will cause a disastrous sea level rise. A globally viewed December 2005 BBC feature alarmingly reported that two massive glaciers in eastern Greenland, Kangderlugssuaq and Helheim, were melting, with water "racing to the sea." Commentators urgently warned that continued recession would be catastrophic.

Helheim's "erratic" behavior reported then was recently recounted again in a dramatic Nov. 13 New York Times article titled "As Glaciers Melt, Science Seeks Data on Rising Seas." Reporters somehow failed to notice that only 18 months later, and despite slightly warmer temperatures, the melting rate of both glaciers not only slowed down and stopped, but actually reversed. Satellite images revealed that by August 2006 Helheim had advanced beyond its 1933 boundary.

According to two separate NASA studies, one conducted by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and the other by the Langley Research Center, the oceans now appear to be heading into another natural periodic cooling phase within a typical 55- to 70-year dipolar warm/cool pattern. Although Greenland has recently been experiencing a slight warming trend, satellite measurements show that the ice cap has been accumulating snow growth at a rate of about 2.1 inches per year. Temperatures only recently began to exceed those of the 1930s and 1940s when many glaciers were probably smaller than now. (We can't be certain, because satellites didn't exist to measure them.)

A recent study conducted by U.S. and Dutch scientists that appeared in the journal Nature Geoscience concluded that previous estimates of Greenland and West Antarctica ice melt rate losses may have been exaggerated by double. Earlier projections apparently failed to account for rebounding changes in the Earth's crust following the last Ice Age (referred to as "glacial isostatic adjustment").

Nils-Axel Morner, head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University in Sweden, argues that any concerns regarding rising sea levels are unfounded. "So all this talk that sea level rising, this comes from the computer modeling, not from observations. ... The new level, which has been stable, has not changed in the last 35 years. ... But they [IPCC] need a rise, because if there is no rise, there is no death threat ... if you want a grant for a research project in climatology, it is written into the document that there 'must' be a focus on global warming. ... That is really bad, because you start asking for the answer you want to get."

Studies by the International Union for Quaternary Research conclude that some ocean levels have even fallen in recent decades. The Indian Ocean, for example, was higher between 1900 and 1970 than it has been since.

Other world climate alarm bells chimed when it was reported in the media that September 2007 satellite images revealed that the Northwest Passage--a sea route between the U.K. and Asia across the top of the Arctic Circle--had opened up for the first time in recorded history. (This "recorded history" dates back only to 1979 when satellite monitoring first began, and it should also be noted that the sea route froze again just a few months later (winter 2007-2008).

The Northwest Passage has certainly opened up before. Diary entries of a sailor named Roald Amundson confirm clear passage in 1903, as do those of a Royal Canadian Mounted Police Arctic patrol crew that made regular trips through there in the early 1940s. And in February 2009 it was discovered that scientists had previously been underestimating the re-growth of Arctic sea ice by an area larger than the state of California (twice as large as New Zealand). The errors were attributed to faulty sensors on the ice. But these aren't the sorts of observations that most people generally receive from the media. Instead, they present sensational statements and dramatic images that leave lasting impressions of calving glaciers, drowning polar bears and all manner of other man-caused climate calamities.

Many intentionally target impressionable young minds and sensitive big hearts with messages of fear and guilt. Take, for example, a children's book called The North Pole Was Here, authored by New York Times reporter Andrew Revkin. It warns kids that some day it may be "easier to sail than stand on the North Pole in summer." Imagine such images through their visualization: How warm it must be to melt that pole way up north. Poor Santa! And Rudolph! Of course it's mostly their parents' fault because of the nasty CO2 they produce driving them to school in SUVs.

Lots of grown-ups are sensitive people with big hearts too. Don't we all deserve more from the seemingly infinite media echo chamber of alarmism than those windy speculations, snow jobs and projections established on theoretical thin ice?

Weekly columnist Larry Bell is a professor at the University of Houston and author of Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind the Global Warming Hoax, which will be released on Jan. 1, 2011. It can be previewed at: http://www.climateofcorruption.com..

[Orange and Brown]

It's a bit of both in my opinion. Sure Global warming happens but it gets blown way way way out of control.

[Runner]

Its all the same...........wash, rinse, repeat..............It gets cold....its gets warm.

It the history of the earth. Global warming and global cooling is nothing but cycles that the earth goes through. It is NOTHING new to this world.

[toast]

The difference between the past and the present is that things are happening at a much faster rate. Whether it's extinction of animals or climate change the current rate of change is unprecedented.

"At present, animals are believed to be going extinct at 100 to 1,000 times the usual rate, leading many researchers to claim that we are in the midst of a mass extinction event faster than that which wiped out the dinosaurs."

The notion by some that we should just maintain the status quo when it comes to our consumption habits is disturbing to say the least.

We can and we should be improving our habits. It's amazing and encouraging to see our young people take the lead on the environmental front. They truly love and respect nature and they know together, we can make a difference!

[rockyraccoon]

Here's some info on how hot 2010 was. This is from the Weather Channels website. Not cutting the Bible, but to stand back and say if God wants is hotter then it will be hotter. What if we took the same mindset about water and air pollution. God created those as well and who are we to say he doesn't want them filthy, for in a blink of an eye he could clean them up. just sayin....

Let's walk through the notable heat this year, both in the U.S. and around the world:

Record warm January: Seattle

Hottest so early in the season: Cleveland (86) and Pittsburgh (85) on April 2...Caribou, Maine (82) on April 3. Boston's earliest 90+ of the season on April 7.


Record warm April: New York City...Hartford...Portland, Maine...Springfield & Peoria, IL.


Globe's record warmest April (per NASA analysis; records date back to 1880)


All-time May record highs set on May 26: Hartford (99)...Lebanon, NH (96)...Providence (96)...Worcester, Mass. (94).


Warmest spring (Mar-May): Philadelphia and Atlantic City, N.J. (after record snowiest season!)


Pakistan (May 26): 128 degrees. All-time record highs were set at other times during the year in over a dozen countries in Africa, the Middle East, and parts of Asia.


Earliest occurrence of 100+ degrees: Albuquerque (Jun. 5)


Record hot June: Philadelphia...Atlantic City, N.J...Washington, D.C...Richmond, Va...Norfolk, Va...Raleigh...Greensboro, N.C...Columbia, S.C...Charleston, S.C...St. Petersburg, Fla...Lakeland, Fla...Miami...Ft. Lauderdale...Naples, Fla...Key West, Fla.


Globe's hottest first six months of a year on record: Read article


Moscow, Russia's record hot summer: Parts of city reach 100 degrees for first time on record. Some parts for 5 days! Choking smog from peat fires in western Russia. Mortality rate doubled in Moscow. Head of state weather service: "Worst heatwave in 1000 years of recorded Russian history."

July's record heat: Newark, N.J. has 4 straight days of 100+ heat. Hottest since the Dust Bowl (1936) in Trenton, N.J. and Wilmington, Del. Norfolk, Va. ties all-time high (105) on consecutive days (July 24-25). Hottest month all-time in Las Vegas, Trenton, N.J., Atlantic City, and Washington, D.C.


Tied all-time August highs: San Francisco (98; Downtown)...Santa Rosa, Calif. (106).


Hottest summer on record: Louisville...New York City...Raleigh...Asheville, N.C...Greenville, S.C...Miami...W. Palm Beach...Ft. Lauderdale...Washington, D.C...Baltimore...Monroe, La...Little Rock...Tallahassee...Gainesville, Fla...also for 10 states (RI, NJ, DE, MD, VA, NC, TN, SC, GA, AL).


Most 90+ days in a year: Little Rock (117 days)...Raleigh (91 days)...Washington, D.C. (67 days)...Philadelphia (55 days)


Hottest so late in the season: Memphis (100 on Sep. 20)...Washington, D.C. (99 on Sep. 24)...Los Angeles (98 on Nov. 3)...San Diego (100 on Nov. 4)...Fresno, Calif. (90 on Nov. 5).


Los Angeles breaks all-time high: 113 degrees Downtown on Sep. 27. Thermometer breaks after 1pm. Long Beach, Calif. also tied their all-time record (111).


November record highs (Nov. 3): Seattle (74) and Longview, Wash. (78).


November record in Fairbanks, Alaska: Longest duration of above-freezing temperatures (49 straight hours from Nov. 22-24).


Warmest November globally (per NASA analysis; records date back to 1880)

[rockyraccoon]

Nothing personal Gahs, I just think religion and science should stay seperate, just ask Galelio. As for records and manipulating numbers, I agree, they can be manipulated. You said they should take large samples over long periods of time. I think many of these results are from such data.

Globe's record warmest April (per NASA analysis; records date back to 1880)

Globe's hottest first six months of a year on record:

Warmest November globally (per NASA analysis; records date back to 1880)


What I find amazing is how opinions on this subject break down right along party lines.

[rockyraccoon]

I struggle with the arrogance of people who will stand up and swear that all the science is wrong on this subject, when their only exposure to science it getting burned when they pour hot water on their foot. I don't proclaim to be a rocket scientist, but it seems the overwhelming opinion WORLDWIDE is that Global Warming is happening and we seem to be, at least partly, causing it. What is also puzzling is how the biggest opposition to the science comes from the Republican Party in the USA.

[BigOrangeOne]

That logic will take you to two men are praying. One is asking for rain for his crops; the other for sunny weather for his vacation. How does God answer both prayers?

Shouldn't be too tough..... unless guy #2 is planning on vacationing in guy #1's garden.

[Boonedawg]

Crap...

[caglewis]

Crap...

CRAP about the praying part - all the praying in the world won't change the provable SCIENCE!

[Boonedawg]

Crap...

CRAP about the praying part - all the praying in the world won't change the provable SCIENCE!

Provable science? You mean ol al the hucksters made up science? The fabricated graphs and stuff or the whole scandal with the professors shredding their findings when the answers didn't point the way their globalist agenda's dictate?

[Space Cowboy]

Nothing personal Gahs, I just think religion and science should stay seperate, just ask Galelio[/color]. As for records and manipulating numbers, I agree, they can be manipulated. You said they should take large samples over long periods of time. I think many of these results are from such data.

Globe's record warmest April (per NASA analysis; records date back to 1880)

Globe's hottest first six months of a year on record:

Warmest November globally (per NASA analysis; records date back to 1880)


What I find amazing is how opinions on this subject break down right along party lines.

I dont totally agree with that for several reasons, but I will cite only one.
Christ rose to Heaven on a pillar of fire. Assuming you believe in Christian salvation, this could only have 2 different solutions : (1) Even though GOD set the physical laws of our planet and solar system, He chose to break these laws to raise Christ to heaven, which means He is a lawbreaker and fickle ( sorry, dont buy into it) or, (2) God, in fact didnt violate any of the physical laws that His own creation set into motion, but proves to us that we aint as smart as we like to think we are.

BTW, Some of the same scientists that are now speaking of global warming, were telling us, back in the 70s of global cooling.

Maybe we should consider that any science that is in contradiction to the word of GOD is suspect at best.

[farmer]

Not sure if it effects this or not but I posted a topic which the magnetic poles have changes so much that it closed a Tampa Airport.

Global warming is not warming up all areas of the world or even our country. During the summer we had hot spots and rarely if it did happen to be hot all across our country at the same time.

[grndma1]

[kantuckyII]

A local priest and pastor stood by the side of the road holding up a sign that said, "The End is Near! Turn yourself around now before it's too late!"

They planned to hold up the sign to each passing car.

"Leave us alone you religious nuts!" yelled the first driver as he
sped by.

From around the curve they heard a big splash. "Do you think," said one clergy to the other, "we should just put up a sign that says 'bridge out' instead?"

GREAT!

[toast]

The correct term is "climate change" not "global warming". If you believe most scientist it will lead to extreme and unusual weather patterns. There is little if any debate within the scientific community on weather or not the earth is warming. It is. The only question is to what extent humans are causing the warm up.

Just as I believe God gives us a free will I believe he gives as the ability to affect the quality of life here on earth. Perhaps if humans continue on the same course it would not lead to catastrophic results. But I believe it very well would lead to a profound difference in the quality of life for many people here on earth.

As the greatest county in the world I expect the United States to take the lead on this very important issue. If we do others will follow and together we can make a difference.