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Even those in the GOP are criticizing Mitt Romney's amateurish response to this tragedy. Mitt Romney is not fit to lead the most powerful nation on earth. He has no idea what to do in an international crisis!

http://egbertowillies.com/2012/09/12/mi ... t-to-lead/
Mitt Romney Amateurish Response To Terrorist Attack In Libya Makes Him Unfit To Lead

Four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens, have been killed in an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya during protests sparked by an anti-Muslim film. President Obama condemned the attack in the strongest terms. Mitt Romney, who called Obama’s response “disgraceful,” is taking heat from his own party for his "amateurish" response, especially given his hasty and confused understanding of the facts on the ground.

Romney is roundly criticized for his "amateurish" response by Republicans, who are calling it "incompetent"; "just trying to score a cheap news cycle"; "utter disaster"; his "Lehman moment"; "not ready for prime time"; "not presidential."



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Foreign Policy Hands Voice Disbelief At Romney Cairo Statement

Mitt Romney's sharply-worded attack on President Obama over a pair of deadly riots in Muslim countries last night has backfired badly among foreign policy hands of both parties, who cast it as hasty and off-key, released before the facts were clear at what has become a moment of tragedy.

Romney keyed his statement to the American Embassy in Cairo's condemnation of an anti-Muslim video that served as the trigger for the latest in a series of regional riots over obscure perceived slights to the faith. But his statement — initially embargoed to avoid release on September 11, then released yesterday evening anyway — came just before news that the American Ambassador to Libya had been killed and broke with a tradition of unity around national tragedies, and of avoiding hasty statements on foreign policy. It was the second time Romney has been burned by an early statement on a complex crisis: Romney denounced the Obama Administration's handling of a Chinese dissident's escape just as the Administration negotiated behind the scenes for his departure from the country.

"They were just trying to score a cheap news cycle hit based on the embassy statement and now it’s just completely blown up," said a very senior Republican foreign policy hand, who called the statement an "utter disaster" and a "Lehman moment" — a parallel to the moment when John McCain, amid the 2008 financial crisis, failed to come across as a steady leader.

He and other members of both parties cited the Romney campaign's recent dismissals of foreign policy's relevance. One adviser dismissed the subject to BuzzFeed as a "shiny object," while another told Politico that the subject was the "president's turf," drawing a rebuke from Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol.

"I guess we see now that it is because they’re incompetent at talking effectively about foreign policy," said the Republican. "This is just unbelievable — when they decide to play on it they completely bungle it."

Romney has not backed off the response — "It's never too early for the United States government to condemn attacks on Americans and to defend our values," he said Wednesday — but his campaign faces a near consensus in Republican foreign policy circles that, whatever the sentiment, Romney faltered badly.

"It’s deeply unfortunate when the circumstance of the statement becomes the story," said Rick Perry's former foreign policy adviser, Victoria Coates, who is now an adjunct fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, and who suggested that Romney should simply have "gone earlier rather than save it for midnight" to avoid appearing to play politics on September 11. "It’s unfortunate that it’s playing out this way, and hopefully they can get back on message, because their point is sound," she said.

Other conservatives were less sympathetic.

"It's bad," said a former aide to Senator John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign. "Just on a factual level that the statement was not a response but preceding, or one could make the case precipitating. And just calling it a 'disgrace' doesn't really cut it. Not ready for prime time."

A third Republican, a former Bush State Department official, told BuzzFeed, "It wasn't presidential of Romney to go political immediately — a tragedy of this magnitude should be something the nation collectively grieves before politics enters the conversation."


But the third official defended the substance of Romney's words: "Romney's attack is spot-on — disgusting that the first Obama administration impulse was to apologize instead of condemning violent religious intolerance. Obama's gotten a real pass on his intervention in Libya, his failed strategy in Afghanistan, and his lack of leadership in the aftermath of the Arab Spring. By trying to cut it down the middle in his foreign policy, no one knows where or for what Obama or America stands in the world these days."

The Republicans declined to speak for attribution, for fear of being publicly disloyal to their party's nominee. Veteran Democratic foreign policy hands, operating under no such restriction, called Romney's quick move all but disqualifying.

"He did jump the gun. It revealed yet again that his foreign policy team is not ready for prime time," said David Rothkopf, a former Clinton State Department official. "It is ugly and amateurish. It also seems strangely out of character with Romney who elsewhere in the campaign seems inclined to be restrained to a fault."

Heather Hurlburt, who heads the National Security Network, a Democratic group, said the statement "shows not just poor judgment and a willingness to use tragedy for political gains, regardless of the security consequences — but also poor management. He has policy people on his team who know better. Clearly they weren't consulted."

"As someone who worked at state and with diplomats for many years, it makes me feel sick," she said.

"Romney blew it and revealed how seriously maladroit he is when it comes to foreign affairs and national security," said Steve Clemons, the founder of the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation. "An attack on an Embassy, the murder of U.S. officials including an Ambassador, is an attack on all Americans and the idea of America — and Romney gave terrorists what they want — a divided country still torn emotionally and politically by the events of 9-11. Romney talks of leadership but with his reckless commentary when events were fragile and still unfolding, he belly-flopped."


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I know! Let's send Stallone, Chuck Norris and Bruce Willis in there to kick their arses. Hey Eastwood, ask the chair (I mean, Obama) what he thinks of that? 8)


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Romney tried to score some quick political points by attacking the president when Americans should be coming together after this senseless attack. It completely backfired and blew up in his face. He just doesn't get it. He is nothing more than an out of touch rich a** clown that will never be the President of the United States.

Here is "OUR" President's classy response to the ignorance of the Romney campaign.
President Obama assailed the reaction of his GOP opponent to the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi Wednesday, saying “Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first, aim later. And as president, one of the things I’ve learned is you can’t do that.” Mr. Obama said presidents must “make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts. And that you’ve thought through the ramifications before you make ‘em.”
“Most Americans, Democrats or Republicans, understand that there are times where we set politics aside,” Mr. Obama said. “And one of those is when we’ve got a direct threat to American personnel who are overseas. I think that if you look at how most Republicans have reacted, most elected officials, they’ve reacted responsibly, waiting to find out the facts before they talked.”
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Hey DL you do know that on the AM on 9-11 ---yesterday -- OUR CLASSY president was interviewed by a Miami Fl DJ that goes by the nickname " pimp with a limp' ---- Yes on 9-11 ! They discussed Flo Rida , Pit Bull and the Miami Dolphins yesterday am..... Yep REAL CLASSY !


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ManitouDan wrote:Hey DL you do know that on the AM on 9-11 ---yesterday -- OUR CLASSY president was interviewed by a Miami Fl DJ that goes by the nickname " pimp with a limp' ---- Yes on 9-11 ! They discussed Flo Rida , Pit Bull and the Miami Dolphins yesterday am..... Yep REAL CLASSY !
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And what is your picture suppose to prove? Apparently nothing...just like every one that abuck has ever posted. :lol: :lol: However, we know where you are headed with it :roll: :roll:


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TigerTownTurkey wrote:
kantuckyII wrote:It is about what our response should be and how inept the president is
and what should our response be...........not really sure of your military background although I would say it is zilch.....but I would really like to hear what your thoughts are for retaliation or whatever.........maybe with your expertise on how the Navy Seals operate you can devise a plan of attack for the Middle East.........



and u dont have to tell us how inept the Commander-in-Chief is.......u tell us every day on every thread .......but he is still the Commander-in-Chief until someone removes him and that someone wont be u.......
And what do you think your background that you would be able to understand what's going on?


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An eye for an eye


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newarkcatholicfan wrote:An eye for an eye
Will cause the whole world to be blind.


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Just saw a close up of Stevens. Those people are animals


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Yes they are.....Murderers are animals.........Thank you to TTT, and Daniel and bear...............You guys get it.......Tuck and runner and MD do not.......You cons have tried to politicize something that was a horrible event.........The Republican Party for the last 24 hours have come out en mass, calling out Romney for being at the very leadt an idiot for saying anything other than , we as a nation will mourn our fallen hero's........And Stevens was a true American hero........No religion, no God, no phrophet killed anyone yesterday...............A group of insane, despicable, mmurdererous , souless people did...........Most people understand that......Tuck, runner and MD do not .........Now, lets do what President Obama has said..........Take our time, find the evidence, locate the people that did this terrible thing and bring them to justice......Swiftly and with great resolve............. :12224


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Mitt’s Major Meltdown

Mitt Romney broke our deal.

Perhaps he didn’t know he’d made it, although, really, I thought it was pretty clear.

He could do anything he wanted during this campaign as long as he sent out signals that once he got in the White House he was not likely to be truly crazy.

We, in return, were going to be able to continue with our normal sleeping patterns through the fall.

It didn’t seem to be a lot to ask, but when the crisis in the Middle East flared up, Romney turned out to have no restraining inner core. All the uneasy feelings you got when he went to London and dissed the Olympic organizers can now come into full bloom. Feel free to worry about anything. That he’d declare war on Malta. Lock himself in a nuclear missile silo and refuse to come out until there’s a tax cut. Hand the country over to space aliens.

Here is the Republican candidate for president of the United States on Wednesday, explaining why he broke into a moment of rising international tension and denounced the White House as “disgraceful” for a mild statement made by the American Embassy in Cairo about the importance of respecting other people’s religions:

“They clearly — they clearly sent mixed messages to the world. And — and the statement came from the administration — and the embassy is the administration — the statement that came from the administration was a — was a statement which is akin to apology and I think was a — a — a severe miscalculation.”

Feel free to reread this when you’re staring at the ceiling at 4 a.m.

This all began on Sept. 11. There were protests in the Middle East, at least some of them involving an anti-Islamic movie, “Innocence of Muslims,” which depicts the Prophet Muhammad as a cowardly, drunken torturer of children and old women. I did not see any puppies being dismembered, but then I only watched the 14-minute trailer.

A man identifying himself as Sam Bacile told The Wall Street Journal that he made it in California with $5 million from more than 100 donors. However, nothing Bacile said about himself seemed to hold up in the light of day. And if he did raise $5 million, those donors need to hire a lawyer. The trailer looks as though it was made by a 13-year-old boy with access to a large supply of fake beards.

The film popped up on YouTube dubbed in Arabic, stirring outrage. In response, the American Embassy in Cairo said it deplored “the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims — as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions.”

Does that seem all that bad to you, people? It was definitely a film whose only point was to offend people of the Islamic faith. I would also call whoever made it not well-guided.

It isn’t clear how the movie, the protests in Egypt and the murders of four American diplomats in Libya fit together. That’s the job of intelligence experts. We’re stuck with the task of evaluating Mitt Romney, who went for a cheap attack at a time when any calm, mature adult would have waited and opted for at least a brief show of national unity.

The one big advantage to being a boring candidate is that you give the appearance of calm and stability. But, suddenly, Romney seemed to want to go for a piquant mélange of dull and hotheaded.

Virtually nobody seemed to think this was all that great a plan. The Romney campaign, according to CNN, helpfully passed out suggestions for supporters who might want to defend Mitt. (When asked whether he was too quick on the attack, loyalists were supposed to say: “No. It is never too soon to stand up for American values and interests.”)

But not all that many other Republicans seemed excited about joining in.
A few social conservatives did unveil a hitherto-unnoticed passion for the First Amendment’s guarantee of freedom to make fun of religion. “It was disheartening to hear the administration condemn Americans engaging in free speech that hurt the feelings of Muslims,” said Senator Jim DeMint.

And, let’s see, who else. Donald Rumsfeld tweeted support. Party chairman Reince Priebus chimed in: “Obama sympathizes with attackers in Egypt. Sad and pathetic.” Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona said the embassy’s comment “is like the judge telling the woman that got raped, ‘You asked for it because of the way you dressed.’ That’s the same thing.”

On this side: Mitt Romney, a totally disgraced former secretary of defense, a person named Reince Priebus, and a new Republican rape comment.

Two months to go and we’re rethinking our presumption that the Republican primary voters picked the most stable option.




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NY Times? LOL! no source worse than that one...except maybe MSNBC who....believe it or not is questioning now whether Israelis' PM, Netanyahu, is more dangerous than Iran's top man


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Here's the crap that goes on in the Mainstream Media in America today. You might not like where it's been played at but either way, they have the audio to back it all up!


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Image...............................WOW, the truth is just that easy............ :12224


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The fact that this has been turned into political fodder is disgusting.


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TigerTownTurkey wrote:
kantuckyII wrote:It is about what our response should be and how inept the president is
and what should our response be...........not really sure of your military background although I would say it is zilch.....but I would really like to hear what your thoughts are for retaliation or whatever.........maybe with your expertise on how the Navy Seals operate you can devise a plan of attack for the Middle East.........



and u dont have to tell us how inept the Commander-in-Chief is.......u tell us every day on every thread .......but he is still the Commander-in-Chief until someone removes him and that someone wont be u.......

Turk I will be seeing Jukeboxer friday night at the ballgame.I will be giving him some money to by the next cold beverage of your choice!!


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The killings of the US ambassador to Libya and three of his staff were likely to have been the result of a serious and continuing security breach, The Independent can reveal.

American officials believe the attack was planned, but Chris Stevens had been back in the country only a short while and the details of his visit to Benghazi, where he and his staff died, were meant to be confidential.

The US administration is now facing a crisis in Libya. Sensitive documents have gone missing from the consulate in Benghazi and the supposedly secret location of the "safe house" in the city, where the staff had retreated, came under sustained mortar attack. Other such refuges across the country are no longer deemed "safe".

Some of the missing papers from the consulate are said to list names of Libyans who are working with Americans, putting them potentially at risk from extremist groups, while some of the other documents are said to relate to oil contracts.

According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.


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