Anyone Own Or Have Fired A Para Ordinance?

[kantuckyII]

Anyone Own Or Have Fired A Para Ordinance?

[The Enforcer]

My Uncle has one , Ive shot it a few times

[Boonedawg]

Used to own one.

[kantuckyII]

You all like it? I've been checking out this model http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pis ... .php?id=34 and a couple others. I'd like to see how thick it is. Ever notice, they'll provide you with length, width etc but never seem to include thickness?


Then again, I've changed my mind on what I want a dozen times in the last month. I've almost bought..to the point of pulling out my wallet but then...decide to make sure that I'm getting what I want

[BigOrangeOne]

Slim Hawg
This Hawg went on a diet to give you the flatness of a single-stack frame.

I guess you have looked at this "Slim Hawg". It indicates it is "slimmer" with a single stack mag and is in a .45 ACP, which the experts say has much more stopping power than the 9mm. Personal chioce though.

http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=35

[NYBUX]

Have you checked out Kimber? Real happy with my ultra carryII.
Ordered and installed a short trigger from brownells exact fit!!
It's SWEET.

[Boonedawg]

You can't go wrong with the kimber for sure. I concealed carry a glock 21....yeah it's big and has a fat grip but 14 rounds of .45 are hard to argue with.

[Space Cowboy]

You can't go wrong with the kimber for sure. I concealed carry a glock 21....yeah it's big and has a fat grip but 14 rounds of .45 are hard to argue with.

Agreed. My personal conceal carry is a Springfield .45 G.I. Issue. Dont care for the 9MMs. If I were to go to the smaller round, due to concealability, I honestly would consider a .32 over the 9mm.

[kantuckyII]

Have you checked out Kimber? Real happy with my ultra carryII.
Ordered and installed a short trigger from brownells exact fit!!
It's SWEET.

Oh yeah. I sure have. I loved the way the Pro-carry felt in my hand. I like the ultra as well. Boone and I have discussed this at lenght. I'd kinda like to have the 45 but don't know that I could use it often because of damage to my cervical spinal region (heck, I'm on crutches right now over my back as it is)

Kimber 9's are about impossible to find right now. I found a used Ultra CDP but they wanted 900 for it and that's kinda steep for a used pistol that didn't even have the box or anything with it now.

I don't know how anyond could carry a dbl stack like that Jeff without it showing. Well, if you were going to have it in the small of your back. I can't reach around there hardly because of the neck issues that has affected the nerves in my arms

I have looked several times at that Slim Hawg BigOrangeOne..only on line though, heck, pistols are hard to find now in the concealed carry. How in the world guys carry a full sized 1911 like SpaceCowboy does, I'll never understand..but if you needed it? how sweet that would be to have!

I also LOVE this EMP Springfield. I have held it a couple times and it was so good feeling! but..I really want laser grips and they don't make laser grips for this model yet..and Crimson Carry says they have no plans to do so..at least not for the next six months

[kantuckyII]

Carry 9 Review Here

http://www.para-usa.com/new/downloads/r ... W11-07.pdf

[kantuckyII]

Oh...last time I checked, Borders has Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry for $999.00 before taxes

[OZZIEOHIO]

Have you ever seen a CZ 75 There real accurate. Not sure if I have seen one around here. I had one when I was in the Army stationed in Texas.

The CZ 75 is a semi-automatic pistol made by Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod (CZUB) in the Czech Republic. First introduced in 1975, it is one of the original wonder nines featuring a staggered-column magazine, all-steel construction, and a hammer forged barrel. It has a good reputation amongst pistol shooters for quality and versatility at a reasonable price, and is widely distributed throughout the world.

[NYBUX]

My kimber is the ultra carryII with crimson trace. I have only ran 100 rounds through it but I must say that those 100 rounds ran flawlessly not 1 ftf. CHECK OUT GUNBROKER.COM some reasonable prices and just about anything you want is listed on there. If you buy just have a local gunshop or a friend with a FFL handy. I never looked at the kimber 9mm as I wanted the 45 but I might be looking at one of these in the future. I am currently attempting to begin reloading just started accumulating the many different components needed. Any help in this area would be appreciated.

[BigOrangeOne]

http://waterguy.us/handgun.htm Handgun Ballistics



Caliber Bullet Wt. Grs Bullet Type Velocity
(feet per second)
Energy
(foot-pounds)
Mid-Range Trajectory (inches.) Barrel Length
Mzl 50 yd 100 yd Mzl 50 yd 100 yd 50 yd 100 yd
25 Automatic 35 Glaser Safety Slug 1150 103 2.5
25 Automatic 45 Expanding Point 815 729 655 66 53 42 1.8 7.7 2
25 Automatic 50 Full Metal Jacket 760 707 659 64 56 48 2 8.7 2
30 Lugar (7.65mm) 93 Full Metal Jacket 1220 1110 1040 305 255 225 0.9 3.5 4.5
30 Carbine 110 Hollow Soft Point 1790 1601 1430 783 626 500 0.4 1.7 10
32 Smith & Wesson 85 Lead-Round Nose 680 645 610 90 81 73 2.5 10.5 3
32 Smith & Wesson Long 98 Lead-Round Nose 705 670 635 115 98 88 2.3 10.5 4
32 Short Colt 80 Lead-Round Nose 745 665 590 100 79 62 2.2 9.9 4
32 Automatic 55 Glaser Safety Slug 1200 176 3.5
32 Automatic 60 Hollow Point 970 895 835 125 107 93 1.3 5.4 4
32 Automatic 71 Full Metal Jacket 905 855 810 129 115 97 1.4 5.8 4
38 Smith & Wesson 145 Lead-Round Nose 685 650 620 150 135 125 2.4 10 4
380 Automatic 70 Glaser Safety Slug 1350 283 3.5
380 Automatic 85 Jacketed Hollow Point 1000 921 860 189 160 140 1.2 5.1
380 Automatic 95 Full Metal Jacket 955 865 785 190 160 130 1.4 5.9
38 Special 80 Glaser Safety Slug 1500 400 6
38 Special 110 Jacketed Hollow Point 945 894 850 218 195 176 1.3 5.4 4
38 Special 158 Lead-Round Nose 755 723 693 200 183 105 2 8.3 4
38 Special 158 Lead-Semi Wad Cutter 755 721 689 200 182 167 2 8.4 4
38 Special + P 80 Glaser Safety Slug 1650 484 6
38 Special + P 95 Jacketed Hollow Point 1100 1002 932 255 212 183 1 4.3 4
38 Special + P 110 Jacketed Hollow Point 995 926 871 242 210 185 1.2 5.1 4
38 Special + P 125 Jacketed Hollow Point 945 898 858 248 224 204 1.3 5.4 4
38 Special + P 125 Jacketed Hollow Point 945 898 858 248 224 204 1.3 5.4 4
38 Special + P 158 Lead-Semi Wad Cutter 890 855 823 278 257 238 1.4 6 4
38 Special + P 158 Lead-Semi Wad Cutter 890 855 823 278 257 238 1.4 6 4
9mm Makarov 75 Glaser Safety Slug 1300 281 3.75
9mm Lugar 115 Full Metal Jacket 1155 1047 971 341 280 241 0.9 3.9 4
9mm Lugar 115 Jacketed Hollow Point 1225 1095 1007 383 306 259 0.8 3.6 4
9mm Lugar 147 Jacketed Hollow Point 1010 962 921 333 302 277 1.1 4.7 4
9mm Lugar +P 80 Glaser Safety Slug 1650 484 5
38 Super Automatic 80 Glaser Safety Slug 1700 513 5
38 Super Automatic+P 125 Jacketed Hollow Point 1240 1130 1050 427 354 306 0.8 3.4 5
38 Super Automatic+P 130 Full Metal Jacket 1215 1099 1017 426 348 298 0.8 3.6 5
357 Magnum 80 Glaser Safety Slug 1800 575 6
357 Magnum 110 Jacketed Hollow Point 1295 1095 975 410 292 232 0.8 3.5 4
357 Magnum 125 Jacketed Hollow Point 1450 1240 1090 583 427 330 0.6 2.8 4
357 Magnum 145 Jacketed Hollow Point 1290 1155 1060 535 428 361 0.8 3.5 4
357 Magnum 158 Lead-Semi Wad Cutter 1235 1104 1015 535 428 361 0.8 3.5 4
357 Magnum 158 Jacketed Hollow Point 1235 1104 1015 535 428 361 0.8 3.5 4
357 Magnum 158 Jacketed Soft Point 1235 1104 1015 535 428 361 0.8 3.5 4
357 SIG 80 Glaser Safety Slug 1650 484 5
40 Smith & Wesson 115 Glaser Safety Slug 1550 613 4
40 Smith & Wesson 155 Jacketed Hollow Point 1205 1096 1018 500 414 357 0.8 3.6 4
10mm Automatic 115 Glaser Safety Slug 1650 695 5
10mm Automatic 175 Jacketed Hollow Point 1290 1141 1037 649 506 418 0.7 3.3
400 Cor-Bon 115 Glaser Safety Slug 1650 695 5
41 Remington Magnum 175 Jacketed Hollow Point 1250 1120 1029 607 488 412 0.8 3.4 4
41 Remington Magnum 210 Jacketed Hollow Point 1300 1162 1062 788 630 526 0.7 3.2 4
44 Smith & Wesson Special 135 Glaser Safety Slug 1350 546 6
44 Smith & Wesson Special 200 Jacketed Hollow Point 900 860 822 360 328 300 1.4 5.9
44 Smith & Wesson Special 246 Lead-Round Nose 755 725 695 310 285 265 2 8.3
44 Remington Magnum 135 Glaser Safety Slug 1850 1026 6
44 Remington Magnum 210 Jacketed Hollow Point 1250 1106 1010 729 570 475 0.8 3.5 4
44 Remington Magnum 240 Hollow Soft Point 1180 1081 1010 741 623 543 0.9 3.7 4
45 Automatic 185 Jacketed Hollow Point 1000 938 888 411 362 324 1.2 4.9 5
45 Automatic 185 Full Metal Jacket- 770 707 650 244 205 174 2 8.7 5
45 Automatic 230 Full Metal Jacket 835 800 767 356 326 300 1.6 6.8 5
45 Automatic +P 145 Glaser Safety Slug 1350 587 5
45 G.A.P. 185 Jacketed Hollow Point 1090 970 890 490 385 325 0.6 8.3 5
45 Colt 145 Glaser Safety Slug 1350 587 6
45 Colt 225 Jacketed Hollow Point 920 877 839 423 384 352 1.4 5.6
45 Colt 255 Lead-Round Nose 880 820 780 420 380 345 1.5 6.1
45 Winchester Magnum 260 Jacketed Soft Point 1250 1137 1053 902 746 640 0.8 3.3 5
454 Casull 250 Jacketed Hollow Point 1300 1151 1047 938 735 608
454 Casull 260 Hollow Point 1800 1596 1414 1870 1470 1154
454 Casull 300 Jacket Flat Point 1625 1451 1308 1759 1413 1141
454 Casull 335 Lead Gas Check 1625 1451 1308 1759 1413 1141 0.5 2
480 Ruger 275 Hollow Point 1450 1284 1152 1284 1007 810 0.6 2.6
480 Ruger 325 Soft Point 1350 1224 1124 1315 1081 912 0.4 2.7

[kantuckyII]

Have you ever seen a CZ 75 There real accurate. Not sure if I have seen one around here. I had one when I was in the Army stationed in Texas.

The CZ 75 is a semi-automatic pistol made by Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod (CZUB) in the Czech Republic. First introduced in 1975, it is one of the original wonder nines featuring a staggered-column magazine, all-steel construction, and a hammer forged barrel. It has a good reputation amongst pistol shooters for quality and versatility at a reasonable price, and is widely distributed throughout the world.

Guy, it weighs 2.5 lbs! It's over 7" long and 1 and half inches thick. Heck, might as well just buy a rife

[kantuckyII]

My kimber is the ultra carryII with crimson trace. I have only ran 100 rounds through it but I must say that those 100 rounds ran flawlessly not 1 ftf. CHECK OUT GUNBROKER.COM some reasonable prices and just about anything you want is listed on there. If you buy just have a local gunshop or a friend with a FFL handy. I never looked at the kimber 9mm as I wanted the 45 but I might be looking at one of these in the future. I am currently attempting to begin reloading just started accumulating the many different components needed. Any help in this area would be appreciated.

How bad is the recoil on it? Is it pretty nasty?

...45 ammo sure ain't cheap! http://www.midwayusa.com/ has some interesting books about reloading

[NYBUX]

Yes there is a little more recoil than the 9mm however I was looking for the knock down power. For my next purchase more ccw specific I will go to a wheel gun. More reliable and easier to conceal. The reloading manuals are on thier way it will still be a long time before I am ready to start reloading and yes every gun is becoming expensive to buy ammo for. Midway does not always have the cheapest prices but I have received great service from them. The best advice I can give you is to keep looking until that special one comes along, don't settle on one, do the research and find the one that best soots your needs. Good Luck!!!

[kantuckyII]

Well, I have picked up the Ruger LCR more than on one occasion. You can purchase it for under 600 bucks with laser grips! It only weighs 13 oz. with laser grips, 13.5 without. I have heard complaints about recoil by some as it's such a light weight pistol but it wouldn't be any much different than the S & W 642 we have. It weighs 15oz. It's more of a 'slap and a sting' than recoil though

[BigOrangeOne]

How bad is the recoil on it? Is it pretty nasty?

...45 ammo sure ain't cheap! http://www.midwayusa.com/ has some interesting books about reloading

If you are concerned about the recoil and the price of ammo, get you a .22 .
In a self defense situation I don't think I would be concerned with the recoil OR the price of a handfull of ammo.

[kantuckyII]

Well, I'd want to shoot it as well and practice. One thing that I love about my little Walther P22 is there's actually recoil with it. Granted, nothing bad but enough to help you train.

That one you gave me to try out though..the only way you know it went off is you hear it..you sure don't feel it..it's so strange!