Wednesday 2/10 Games and Updates

[Rodeo1]

The SHAC is a tough conference, I think some of these posters on other tournament threads better be careful in predictions.

Most years, yes. This year, no it is not. Give me evidence other than 1 game comparisons. What are some of the SHAC schools out of conference records? Key wins?

The NA-ND game was where tonight?

Key win- beat Lynchburg Clay at Lynchburg, oak hill game.What were big games out of league for your team.

[smurray]

Clarity, The HC can't shoot the ball and play defense for them. FT shooting was way below 50%, missed at least 8 in the first half and at least 12 for the game and couldn't throw it in the ocean from the outside. Chapman picked up 2 fouls in the first minute and half of the game and had to sit. Tigers had jumped out 6-0 but everything totally changed when he had to sit. He did go back in to try to stop the bleeding and picked up his 3rd on a terrible call in which he took a charge. Tigers had 3 fouls at that point, all on Chapman. Another big man starter was out for the game so that really hurt.
Tigers were down 11 at halftime 38-27 after trailing 17 at 37-20.
Tigers cut it to 7 in the 3rd but Jackson answered and lead 49-35 at the end of 3.

[TheSportsGuy]

The SHAC is a tough conference, I think some of these posters on other tournament threads better be careful in predictions.

Most years, yes. This year, no it is not. Give me evidence other than 1 game comparisons. What are some of the SHAC schools out of conference records? Key wins?

The NA-ND game was where tonight?

Key win- beat Lynchburg Clay at Lynchburg, oak hill game.What were big games out of league for your team.

I said out of league, Lynchburg would still be in league. For the conference collectively, I don't recall a ton of quality wins. The Oak Hill win is solid, and this win against ND is good.

My argument remains. This is/was a down year for the SHAC. Maybe they will prove me wrong in the coming weeks.

[rosemount guy]

Most years, yes. This year, no it is not. Give me evidence other than 1 game comparisons. What are some of the SHAC schools out of conference records? Key wins?

The NA-ND game was where tonight?

Key win- beat Lynchburg Clay at Lynchburg, oak hill game.What were big games out of league for your team.

I said out of league, Lynchburg would still be in league. For the conference collectively, I don't recall a ton of quality wins. The Oak Hill win is solid, and this win against ND is good.

My argument remains. This is/was a down year for the SHAC. Maybe they will prove me wrong in the coming weeks.

Questioning big game wins for out of league. Not sure if you're an East fan that you want to open up that can of worms. East only good wins are in league play this year, don't recall big out of league win. Correct me if wrong.

[Rodeo1]

Key win- beat Lynchburg Clay at Lynchburg, oak hill game.What were big games out of league for your team.

I said out of league, Lynchburg would still be in league. For the conference collectively, I don't recall a ton of quality wins. The Oak Hill win is solid, and this win against ND is good.

My argument remains. This is/was a down year for the SHAC. Maybe they will prove me wrong in the coming weeks.

Questioning big game wins for out of league. Not sure if you're an East fan that you want to open up that can of worms. East only good wins are in league play this year, don't recall big out of league win. Correct me if wrong.

North Adams is small school shac. Regardless , I'm looking forward to some great games Love watching all the fine young cagers getting after it. Good luck to all. Have a safe tourney.

[rosemount guy]

I said out of league, Lynchburg would still be in league. For the conference collectively, I don't recall a ton of quality wins. The Oak Hill win is solid, and this win against ND is good.

My argument remains. This is/was a down year for the SHAC. Maybe they will prove me wrong in the coming weeks.

Questioning big game wins for out of league. Not sure if you're an East fan that you want to open up that can of worms. East only good wins are in league play this year, don't recall big out of league win. Correct me if wrong.

North Adams is small school shac. Regardless , I'm looking forward to some great games Love watching all the fine young cagers getting after it. Good luck to all. Have a safe tourney.

Same here!

[SHACFan]

I think the SHAC Small Schools division was decently strong this year, I would agree that the big school division was down compared to what it has been in the past.

[Jackie Moon]

Rosemount Guy,
Why are you constantly bashing East? What great victory out of conference did Clay have this year? Here is the bottom line; East did what they had to do, won all their home games, well so far, and they have gone on the road and won the games they were suppose to win and stole a few that were toss up games, ie... Western and Eastern. Thus that is why they are guaranteed at least a share of the SOC.
The night that Clay beat East, Clay shot about 60% from the floor and East shot about 25%, it is high school athletics, it happens. The coaches in the Northwest Sectional thought that East was deserving of the #1 seed. Let it rest man!
Yep, East has a definite home court advantage, so what, I like to think that all teams should have a home court advantage. You can't tell me that Symmes Valley or Western doesn't have a home court advantage due to the drive and playing with more energy at home?

[rosemount guy]

Rosemount Guy,
Why are you constantly bashing East? What great victory out of conference did Clay have this year? Here is the bottom line; East did what they had to do, won all their home games, well so far, and they have gone on the road and won the games they were suppose to win and stole a few that were toss up games, ie... Western and Eastern. Thus that is why they are guaranteed at least a share of the SOC.
The night that Clay beat East, Clay shot about 60% from the floor and East shot about 25%, it is high school athletics, it happens. The coaches in the Northwest Sectional thought that East was deserving of the #1 seed. Let it rest man!
Yep, East has a definite home court advantage, so what, I like to think that all teams should have a home court advantage. You can't tell me that Symmes Valley or Western doesn't have a home court advantage due to the drive and playing with more energy at home?

Not bashing, he was questioning the SHAC team for no out of league big wins.To answer your question. Clay beat A good South Webster team, A pretty decent South Point that beat some good teams. I never brought up home court or the one seed. Just looking for answer to one simple question he was throwing at the SHAC team being weak with no out of conference big wins. As said, I would not go there.

[brown22]

my eagles are 2-0 vs the shac beating peebles at their place and beating north Adams at home in a game they didn't play real good north Adams is up and down u can see they have talent I think shac is like the SVC top heavy we are 2-0 vs SVC teams too.

[brown22]

Waverly needs a coach!

I think it would be good for Waverly to make a change bring somebody in with no ties to the school a fresh system for every tiger player and fans I'd like to see piketon make a change as well I'd like to see both teams good again and at the top of their divisions.

[Moses Guthrie]

I put Valley and Portsmouth as the two top teams tonight and Burg had both of them on the ropes and couldn't come up with the knockout punch. I think Burg will be a tough team for anyone in the tourney and I don't think I would want to play them right now.


Tough loss Burg but put this one behind you and take care of Waverly on Friday and then get ready for the tourney and go out and land that knockout punch the rest of the way.

Burg is a tough team and you are right. They will be a tough out In the tourny. A potential second round match up with Ironton will be a dandy.

I was impressed with Burg's athleticism. Holden can get to the basket and his length creates matchup advantages for Burg. I see them making a run in the tourney..
Next year they will be right with Fairland as one of the top teams in SE Ohio.

[Ukfanatic]

No worries brown22, Waverly is going to be very very good for the next 3-5 years. You better get them next year if you want to beat them. JV team only lost a couple and freshman team is undefeated and loaded. 8th grade is very good as well. Travis is building a program and will be very successful in the future. No doubt you would love for us to blow it up and get someone new. Not in our best interests however.

[brown22]

No worries brown22, Waverly is going to be very very good for the next 3-5 years. You better get them next year if you want to beat them. JV team only lost a couple and freshman team is undefeated and loaded. 8th grade is very good as well. Travis is building a program and will be very successful in the future. No doubt you would love for us to blow it up and get someone new. Not in our best interests however.

well that's great glad to hear Waverly has a great group coming up be good to see them up at the top of the soc2 again.

[Catchup13]

No worries brown22, Waverly is going to be very very good for the next 3-5 years. You better get them next year if you want to beat them. JV team only lost a couple and freshman team is undefeated and loaded. 8th grade is very good as well. Travis is building a program and will be very successful in the future. No doubt you would love for us to blow it up and get someone new. Not in our best interests however.

well that's great glad to hear Waverly has a great group coming up be good to see them up at the top of the soc2 again.

I believe that Jackson often plays with a freshman and 4 sophomores on the varsity level. Jackson has had a rough go of it lately. But truth is, this wasn't much of an upset. Jackson has 6 losses to teams that are better than any team on Waverly's schedule. If Jackson were to play Waverly's schedule, they would have a similar record or better. If you get upset and think I'm crazy, have Waverly AD put Unioto, Vinton Co, Warren and Athens on the schedule, then call me after those games. Most teams in SEO would be 0-6 in those games.

[TheSportsGuy]

Rosemount Guy,
Why are you constantly bashing East? What great victory out of conference did Clay have this year? Here is the bottom line; East did what they had to do, won all their home games, well so far, and they have gone on the road and won the games they were suppose to win and stole a few that were toss up games, ie... Western and Eastern. Thus that is why they are guaranteed at least a share of the SOC.
The night that Clay beat East, Clay shot about 60% from the floor and East shot about 25%, it is high school athletics, it happens. The coaches in the Northwest Sectional thought that East was deserving of the #1 seed. Let it rest man!
Yep, East has a definite home court advantage, so what, I like to think that all teams should have a home court advantage. You can't tell me that Symmes Valley or Western doesn't have a home court advantage due to the drive and playing with more energy at home?

Not bashing, he was questioning the SHAC team for no out of league big wins.To answer your question. Clay beat A good South Webster team, A pretty decent South Point that beat some good teams. I never brought up home court or the one seed. Just looking for answer to one simple question he was throwing at the SHAC team being weak with no out of conference big wins. As said, I would not go there.

My point was that a lot of the SHAC teams in the DIV sectional have only beat up mostly on other bad SHAC schools. Lynchburg, Peebles, and North Adams are quality games. Has Fairfield, Manchester, Whiteoak beat any of those top teams in their own league?

No East doesn't have a great out of conference win. They had a few chances. It is what it is at this point. However, the argument is still different. They have controlled the top teams of their league who are A.)really good themselves, and B.)have beat some really good out of league competition.

I wouldn't have made that argument if I thought the SHAC was really good. If the SOC I were not as good, especially at the top, then I would be critical of East's record/resume as well.

Rosemount guy, it's ok. We know you're still a little upset about how the SOC I has shaken out, and about how the seedings have played out. Can you tell us what Clay's record is against the top 3 teams in the SOC I and against non-league teams with a winning record?

[brown22]

No worries brown22, Waverly is going to be very very good for the next 3-5 years. You better get them next year if you want to beat them. JV team only lost a couple and freshman team is undefeated and loaded. 8th grade is very good as well. Travis is building a program and will be very successful in the future. No doubt you would love for us to blow it up and get someone new. Not in our best interests however.

well that's great glad to hear Waverly has a great group coming up be good to see them up at the top of the soc2 again.

I believe that Jackson often plays with a freshman and 4 sophomores on the varsity level. Jackson has had a rough go of it lately. But truth is, this wasn't much of an upset. Jackson has 6 losses to teams that are better than any team on Waverly's schedule. If Jackson were to play Waverly's schedule, they would have a similar record or better. If you get upset and think I'm crazy, have Waverly AD put Unioto, Vinton Co, Warren and Athens on the schedule, then call me after those games. Most teams in SEO would be 0-6 in those games.

Catchup 13 I never called this an upset I'm aware of Jackson and who they have played and I agree most teams would walk away with a loss on with that schedule.

[rosemount guy]

You started the non league big win discussion with Rodeo 1 . I only commented about the lack of non league wins you were trying to insinuate that your team had. Everyone else bringing up league, seeding, etc. I have accepted the seeding and now lets play. However, If everytime someone asks or questions your comment is it gonna be that kind of response back to league, seeding etc. I stated several times my thoughts with East and Clay and who is the better team between the two and agree with the strength at the top. Not gonna continue on this topic about it this is games and updates.

[Poo Bear]

Not sure who Waverly plays but in most of Jacksons games they are obviously the lesser talented Team and struggle to hang with their opponents . But they were as talented as Waverly . Jackson starts a freshmen and often 4 sophomores so they will only get better . Jacksons 8th is very good too and beat Waverly easily last season . So maybe Jackson just needs to soften its schedule .

[Crab's Brother]

No worries brown22, Waverly is going to be very very good for the next 3-5 years. You better get them next year if you want to beat them. JV team only lost a couple and freshman team is undefeated and loaded. 8th grade is very good as well. Travis is building a program and will be very successful in the future. No doubt you would love for us to blow it up and get someone new. Not in our best interests however.

well that's great glad to hear Waverly has a great group coming up be good to see them up at the top of the soc2 again.

I believe that Jackson often plays with a freshman and 4 sophomores on the varsity level. Jackson has had a rough go of it lately. But truth is, this wasn't much of an upset. Jackson has 6 losses to teams that are better than any team on Waverly's schedule. If Jackson were to play Waverly's schedule, they would have a similar record or better. If you get upset and think I'm crazy, have Waverly AD put Unioto, Vinton Co, Warren and Athens on the schedule, then call me after those games. Most teams in SEO would be 0-6 in those games.

There are not six losses on jackson's schedule to teams better than Court House, Valley, Minford, Wheelersburg, and Lynchburg. Sure Unioto is the best of the bunch, but those other 3 are not hands down better than 7 of the losses I listed here.