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Perdue’s probably averaging a double-double every game in points and rebounds and getting a few steals, assists and blocks a game. Probably has the best shooting percentage in the SVC, and has the ability to shoot 10-15 sometimes 20 free throws a game. He’d have my vote

Say what? He’s helped by the talent of those around him. That fact cannot be ignored. And he is cocky/arrogant, but did I say that’s a bad thing? No, I'm no fan of Unioto. I’ve heard and seen things from them in the past that I would want no part of from my Red Streaks. If you’re feelings are bruised, I suggest you grow up.

I watched Swackhammer against PV at Unioto this year. His team was down almost 15 when he brought his team back and won the game. It wasn’t him who flexed at the crowd thinking the game was over, but another player on the other team that is considered the front runner for POY. There is a difference is cockiness and confidence. Swackhammer is confident in his abilities on the court, and his career record shows why.

... A couple of points I DON'T agree with 1) that Unioto would be 17-2 whether Swack played for them or not ? sorry Logan Swackhammer brings THE focus to ALL of the talent that Unioto brings to the court ... EVERY good/outstanding TEAM has to have THAT GUY - the player who WANTS the ball at crunch time, the player who KNOWS he can score the ball, can get it to the player who can score the ball in the places on the court where that player CAN score the ball ... Swack is THAT GUY for the U ... WITHOUT Swack the Shermans are good but NOT Swackhammer on board good ... Swack brings "IT" to TEAM ... he allows all things defense, offense to BEGIN with him - THAT in itself requires maturity and "an edge" ... the U has arguably the best talent in the their starting 5 as ANYONE I have seen this season BUT ALL of the talent as I posted begins/ends with Swack ... Logan brings the talent together into TEAM ... Kennedy, Fisher, Hill, Smith have individual talent that take a back seat to NO ONE - from the 3 point scoring of Kennedy/Smith ... the board work of Fisher/Hill ... the inside scoring of Hill/Fisher ... the quickness and strength of ALL of them, the hops of ALL of them - ALL of these skills are INDIVIDUAL talents/skills ... without Swack to BE THE MAN , THAT GUY . the ONE that brings all of these individuals together , to be THAT GUY that all of the talented pieces look to at crunch time to BE THE GOTO guy, to get the ball where it needs to be, to take over the game defensively/offensively , score the tying bucket as the clock runs out , or drop a triple, get to the rim, bring TEAM back from 15 down ... THE ONLY player in the SVC that IS "THAT GUY" is Swack ... Tanner Perdue is THE outstanding scorer in the SVC , Dylan Swingle is THE BIG MAN with BIG MAN skills in the SVC BOTH of these players due to their individuals talents are outstanding - no question about it ... neither Piketon or Paint Valley would have the records they do without those 2 players ... but they do not "run the show" ... IF they are not in the lineup you can go to the individual "stat lines" - TP's 34 point game, 30 point game, the 1/3 of the PHS's points that will need replaced when he is no longer in the line up ... D. Swingle - rebounds, getting the ball out to start the transition from D to offense, changing opponents offensive strategy due to his size in the paint ...and yes his 16-18 ppg - ALL individual talents that are outstanding ... Swack does ALL of those - scores, rebounds, pressures the ball on the perimeter, gets the steal - finishes at the rim at the other end , blocks shots, harasses offensive players inside & outside, on offense - finishes AT the rim, ABOVE the rim, from 3 point land, in the paint, distributes the ball so EVERYONE else to "get theirs" , he is the floor general - the U does is not 17-2 without Logan Swackhammer ... Swack IS the POY/MVP in the SVC ...

It's pretty simple without swack u still wins the league without swing pv still finishes around mid pack without perdue pike is in the bottom few. If its an MVP TP is the winner. Piketon would be lucky to win 2 or 3 games all year without him the other 2 teams would still have similar records

Lol, no way PV has close to same record without Swingle. That’s just crazy.

I’d vote Swack, if Perdue gets Co POY I’d be cool with that also

Perdue does all of those things that you are describing without the superior talent around him. I would assume the only reason he doesn't play PG is because he is the tallest starter at 6'0". He averages like 10 rebounds 3 steals and 3 assists. He can guard all 5 positions.

Swingle stats would be even more astronomical but I've seen them 8-10 times over the past four years and he's usually at the high post. Never quite understood that.

You can't double team Swackhammer. Swingle and Perdue are facing it every game.

Pfloyd,

If Swingle was on Unioto and Swackhammer was on PV how do you think the records differ? I would say Unioto would be undefeated. PV would be comparable current record.

Looking at Unioto schedule. Chillicothe would probably be a loss without Swackhammer so I would say 16-3

PV-3-5 wins without Swingle?
Piketon-4-6 wins without Perdue?

I'm convinced! Swackhammer shouldn't even be Honorable Mention. Heck, why does he even get playing time for Coach Hoops? I'm going to Londonderry tomorrow to take our case against Swackhammer playing to Coach Hoops, I'm sure he'll agree with the others here.

Maybe all of those scholarship offers he had were just a figment of everyone's imagination, I mean, those college coaches don't know more than some keyboard warriors, right? He's only getting them because of his teammates.

(Don't take his as a slight to his teammates, who are outstanding, which is why they are such a good team)

All 3 are great players.
I do not think the Swackhammer should win IMO.
I agree with one of the posters above. If you switch Swackhammer and Swingle, Unioto would probably be a Regional contender. PV would be lucky to go .500.
I have seen Swackhammer play all 4 years and he’s good. But honestly, he’s a product of his team. Mccluskey(sp) at Huntington is nearly as good as Swackhammer but you don’t hear anything about him. You know why? His team is awful. Unioto is loaded in the SVC and he is a product of a great system. You know who’s not a very good team? Pv. That team is just downright bad. Imagine if swingle had a PG like Swackhammer or Mccluksey. He would average 35ppg no doubt. His teammates literally have trouble getting him the ball.
IMO. Swingle is the POY and tomorrow night he’s gonna go break the all the time scoring record and has a shot at the Ross County record in the next few weeks. Not a debate in my opinion.

CavalierAlum05 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:20 am All 3 are great players.
I do not think the Swackhammer should win IMO.
I agree with one of the posters above. If you switch Swackhammer and Swingle, Unioto would probably be a Regional contender. PV would be lucky to go .500.
I have seen Swackhammer play all 4 years and he’s good. But honestly, he’s a product of his team. Mccluskey(sp) at Huntington is nearly as good as Swackhammer but you don’t hear anything about him. You know why? His team is awful. Unioto is loaded in the SVC and he is a product of a great system. You know who’s not a very good team? Pv. That team is just downright bad. Imagine if swingle had a PG like Swackhammer or Mccluksey. He would average 35ppg no doubt. His teammates literally have trouble getting him the ball.
IMO. Swingle is the POY and tomorrow night he’s gonna go break the all the time scoring record and has a shot at the Ross County record in the next few weeks. Not a debate in my opinion.

Making sure I quote this so it doesn't get edited, because this is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on here.

Swingle is really good, has a nice touch and great footwork.

McCloskey is a fine player, but I personally think that there is a rather sizable gap between the two guards.

..... there is not a sizeable gap difference in these two guards. Don’t let the “team” Huntington puts on the hardwood distract you from how athletic and good Mccluskey is. My buddy and I took in the PV game this week and we looked at each other more than once and said “this is one of he worst teams we have watched.” In the middle of the awfulness is a kid who if you switched him and swack, would not miss a beat on that U team. And Swackhammer would get lost in Huntington’s awfulness.

This thread is getting silly. Splitting hairs a bit for sure. No one knows how any team would be if they switched or weren’t there or whatever, too many factors.

Very fortunate to have 3 players of such talent, hope you enjoyed watching them all.

For fun.....nah, I better not.

anybody that has one bad thing to say about Swackhammers game or only crediting his team for his success obviously has zero basketball sense and are just on here to start an idiotic argument. I would argue that if Swackhammer played on a worse team his numbers would be even more gaudy. whos to say Swackhammer isn't the one behind the scenes pushing his teammates to be great in the offseason, in the weight room, in the gym? I'd also argue that Unioto isn't near as good if u take him off that team. That's a 14-8 15-7 team without him easily. With that being said I think Perdue should get it

Ironman92 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:39 am This thread is getting silly. Splitting hairs a bit for sure. No one knows how any team would be if they switched or weren’t there or whatever, too many factors.

Very fortunate to have 3 players of such talent, hope you enjoyed watching them all.

For fun.....nah, I better not.

80% of these threads turn silly and I've also noticed in my short time here that 100% of any thread that has anything to do with Athens turns silly.

danicalifornia wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:01 pm

Roger Mink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:16 pm I have watched a lot of SVC basketball over the last 10 years. I think Swackhammer is similar to Evan Legg. He can control tempo and a game by scoring, passing, leadership, by being an incredible all around player. He is, in my opinion, the best player in the league. Swingle is a rare BIG man. He has great hands and the ability to hit mid range shots and the occasional 3 ball. Been a joy to watch for four years. Congrats on what will soon be a league best scoring record. I have only seen film on Perdue until Friday night. He is the best scorer in the league. Great athlete and carries a team on his shoulders. My vote, which means nothing lol, is.

1. Swackhammer
2. Swingle
3. Perdue

I'll trust the former Westfall HC who has no dog in this.

Funny thing is, if I ranked the teams that I have disliked in the past, nothing about individuals, just bummed they were so good.

1.unioto
2. Piketon

AnkleBraces wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:24 pm Perdue does all of those things that you are describing without the superior talent around him. I would assume the only reason he doesn't play PG is because he is the tallest starter at 6'0". He averages like 10 rebounds 3 steals and 3 assists. He can guard all 5 positions.

Swingle stats would be even more astronomical but I've seen them 8-10 times over the past four years and he's usually at the high post. Never quite understood that.

You can't double team Swackhammer. Swingle and Perdue are facing it every game.

Pfloyd,

If Swingle was on Unioto and Swackhammer was on PV how do you think the records differ? I would say Unioto would be undefeated. PV would be comparable current record.

I know u asked Pfloyd but even with Swingle and no PG, unioto loses to Logan bigger. Swack on PV beats them that night when pv was up 15.

I can remember when people used to try to make the same arguments about an old NBA guy who played in the windy city and wore #23....LOL

I would be surprised if Dylan Swingle- averaging , 23 points, 13.4 rebounds, 3 assist a night with a minimum of 2 people hanging on him and arguably the best player to ever come out of this conference is not POY.

Dylan Swingle as good as he is, is NOT has good as he CAN, COULD have been ... to be as good as he COULD HAVE BEEN he NEEDS others to get him the ball where he CAN BE dominant - he doesn't have that ... he doesn't have the coaching staff that has made THAT a priority for whatever reason ... Tanner Perdue IS the best scorer in the league and maybe even the SE District - when I have seen him play I have written down key words to remind after the game what impression players give me at a moment in the game - I looked back at my napkin stats ... I had "smooth", "unselfish" ,"scorer", "doesn't force himself on the game" - he is outstanding , he HAS taken over games this year with his offensive talent and ability ... TP is more valuable than Swingle has been this season ... I would place Tanner Perdue at the #2 spot ... that brings me back to Logan Swackhammer - the PG is the most important position in high school hoops ... when you think of a PG you think of someone who is a "coach on the floor", the "general", THE person who gets the others involved offensively, distributes the ball, handles the ball - takes opposing teams out of full court pressure due to the ball handling abilities of the PG, makes opponents pay IF they continue to apply pressure due the PG's ability to break pressure and transition to offense at the other end AND finish either by passing the ball or finishing on his own - IF you (you being a team) are lucky enough to have THAT guy , YOU (TEAM) is ecstatic ! you have a keeper ... Swack IS that guy ... oh but wait ... there ARE the PG's who are more than THAT court general ... they are a player that opposing teams have to account for at the offensive end because the PG can also drop a twenty+ spot on you if you think they only get others involved, they only get the ball to the bigs, the scorers where they need to get it ... SWACK is THAT guy too ... ohhhh but wait ... some , very few teams in ALL of Ohio, have a PG who can also look at a game situation , decide that TEAM needs more than what the team is capable of doing, due to the opposition, THAT guy KNOWS he has the talent, the ability to put TEAM on his shoulders and take the TEAM further, bring the TEAM back - a defensive steal for a dunk to change momentum, a 25 foot triple not once but 2 times in a row to force the opposing team to call a TO, the ability to draw the defense out, then put the ball on the floor - get to the rim, or get into the paint & dish ... Swack IS that guy ... the player of the year is the guy who not only makes TEAM better , he has the talent, the ability (scoring, passing,defense) to affect the outcome of the game with his presence on the court - my guess Swack's presence on the court has been on average real close to 32 minutes per game for the season ... Swack IS the total PG package - talent scoring wise inside/outside ... his build is a perfect defensive build for high school, length/size on the perimeter to have an advantage vs the best the opponent can put out on the perimeter ... he IS a leader - TEAM listens when he talks, he does what he preaches , works his butt off on the court and off the court , he HAS matured as a player from year one to year 4 ... his decision making with the ball is proof of his maturity imo ... and yes Swack has "IT" - you can call it what ever you want - an "edge", "cocky" ... THIS attitude IS what separates the good from the outstanding imo ... a PG, THE GUY that runs the show has to have "IT" the attitude that "I am better than you, anyone who is trying to guard me, anyone who I am guarding" ... I will beat you, my TEAM will beat your team ... that may be cocky BUT it is also the attitude that makes winners - makes a player when TEAM loses go in an look at film and figure out what HE could have done different to have made the outcome different , it's the cockiness that makes him push himself AND others to be not just as good as they can be BUT better than they can be ... it is that "I'm never satisfied attitude that makes Swack look to improve every time he steps on the court " ... he makes his TEAM what it is - outstanding ...