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Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:36 pm
by Raider6309
Just go to a game that you have no biased towards either team. You will find out quick that fans are stupid
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:58 pm
by mlittle
WhiskeyTwoFive wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:53 pm
My first thought is this....if youre complaining about the officials, go get your license and suit up. Shortage problem solved.
Secondly, people can say "its the same as the 80s and 90s" and I disagree. Did we have rowdy parents and yelling back then? Yes, I yelled at the refs as a student but it wasnt ever personal or demeaning like it is now. Things like facebook have made everyone feel like they have a right to comment, and that their opinion is right and they will argue everything they see. I believe it flows over to sports as well. These parents yell everytime their kid gets touched, or their kid gets a call on them...its ridiculous. If your kid, or your teams player, goes a whole game...okay lets say a half...without getting fouled and not getting a call, or they dont get a foul on them----they arent playing hard enough.
Leave the officials alone! Pro officials miss calls...and now we have 32 stoppages a game for reply which sucks!
and while im on my soapbox...before you make an ass out of yourself and yell profanities across the gym remember there are kids watching you...maybe even your own!
I played in a high school game in the 90’s where a fan threw a bag of popcorn at an official and had to be dragged out by police. Went to girls games where parents were escorted by police and also had Instances where police had to escort the refs to their car for fear of being attacked.
You do have a point with social media. That definitely brings a more personal aspect into it. In the 90’s if a referee had a bad game or officiated a game with a rough crowd it was over usually when they got home. Now they are on social media and the criticism just doesn’t stop. I could see where this would get to the point of not being worth it for these folks. But social media has that affect on a lot aspects of life and professions. Not really sure what the answer is other than for people to have a little sense and leave the poor refs alone when they’re done with the game.
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:36 pm
by callie15
Everyone complaining about the refs, sure cure, get off your dead arse's take the test be an offical and call the game the right way.
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:00 pm
by mlittle
callie15 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:36 pm
Everyone complaining about the refs, sure cure, get off your dead arse's take the test be an offical and call the game the right way.
Sure, don’t complain about criminals breaking the law either unless you’re a police officer.
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:31 pm
by The Ghost of Swanker
Still waiting on donations.
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:21 pm
by The Ghost of Swanker
Wait how much are junior refs making a week?
If I do any games feel free to verbally abuse me while I count my bills
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:26 pm
by mlittle
Swanker Pine wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:21 pm
Wait how much are junior refs making a week?
If I do any games feel free to verbally abuse me while I count my bills
That’s what I’m saying. I’ll run up and down the court for a few hours and let idiots scream at me for $70 every day of the week
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:12 pm
by The Ghost of Swanker
mlittle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:26 pm
Swanker Pine wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:21 pm
Wait how much are junior refs making a week?
If I do any games feel free to verbally abuse me while I count my bills
That’s what I’m saying. I’ll run up and down the court for a few hours and let idiots scream at me for $70 every day of the week
And here I am paying planet fitness to run on their treadmills. What a fool
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:39 am
by The Ghost of Swanker
If I became a Zebra I’d have to retire from SEOPS and I dont know if it’s worth it
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:48 am
by Ironman92
Swanker Pine wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:39 am
If I became a Zebra I’d have to retire from SEOPS and I dont know if it’s worth it
Why would you have to retire? There are at least 3 or 4 on here.
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:52 am
by Jim Ryan
Swanker Pine wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:12 pm
mlittle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:26 pm
Swanker Pine wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:21 pm
Wait how much are junior refs making a week?
If I do any games feel free to verbally abuse me while I count my bills
That’s what I’m saying. I’ll run up and down the court for a few hours and let idiots scream at me for $70 every day of the week
And here I am paying planet fitness to run on their treadmills. What a fool
Don't make horrendous calls and no one will scream at you. But I scream, mom's scream, we all scream for ice cream and bad calls against our teams.
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:05 am
by baseball16
SCREAM, HOLLER! Do whatever! As an official I love it! Great Energy and Great atmosphere. Love the passion of the fans.
Now what I don't love are the fans that don't understand rules or make up their own rules then try and let us know. Or the really bellingerite ones that sit in the front row and put their feet out (on purpose I might add) or stand up and wave their arms or point at you as you run by. Those type of fans need to go! But stay passionate and keep the energy level up. Makes for a very exciting game.!
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:28 am
by mlittle
baseball16 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:05 am
SCREAM, HOLLER! Do whatever! As an official I love it! Great Energy and Great atmosphere. Love the passion of the fans.
Now what I don't love are the fans that don't understand rules or make up their own rules then try and let us know. Or the really bellingerite ones that sit in the front row and put their feet out (on purpose I might add) or stand up and wave their arms or point at you as you run by. Those type of fans need to go! But stay passionate and keep the energy level up. Makes for a very exciting game.!
My favorite part of the games are:
1. Watching my children play
2. Listening to the people yell 3 seconds at the ref when their team has the ball
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:37 am
by Ground Buck
baseball16 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:05 am
SCREAM, HOLLER! Do whatever! As an official I love it! Great Energy and Great atmosphere. Love the passion of the fans.
Now what I don't love are the fans that don't understand rules or make up their own rules then try and let us know. Or the really bellingerite ones that sit in the front row and put their feet out (on purpose I might add) or stand up and wave their arms or point at you as you run by. Those type of fans need to go! But stay passionate and keep the energy level up. Makes for a very exciting game.!
Not a bad attitude to have. But you can't expect the fans to know all the rules. He11 I know a lot of officials who don't know some of the rules and make them up as they go.
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:48 am
by baseball16
Ground Buck, you are correct. If you read what I said I said the fans that don't understand the rules but actually make up their own rules. That is not knowing all the rules but thinking they do! I feel the best are the ones that Can RUN and get in position (not being lazy) and actually have a feel for the game. Sometimes knowing everything BY the BOOK can get an official in trouble more so then having a good feel about the game and calling what actually happens instead of making up a rule for what he believed to have happened. Just an opinion!
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:50 am
by Ground Buck
baseball16 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:48 am
Ground Buck, you are correct. If you read what I said I said the fans that don't understand the rules but actually make up their own rules. That is not knowing all the rules but thinking they do! I feel the best are the ones that Can RUN and get in position (not being lazy) and actually have a feel for the game. Sometimes knowing everything BY the BOOK can get an official in trouble more so then having a good feel about the game and calling what actually happens instead of making up a rule for what he believed to have happened. Just an opinion!
I like how you think.
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:08 pm
by Pol pot
Ed Ott wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:57 pm
bbjunky81 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:54 pm
My theory has always been the same —- raise the pay to $100 per official per game and see if that keeps good ones around.
Officials have to drive to the game (sometimes a substantial drive), spend 4-5 hours away from home, deal with fans yelling at them, deal with some coaches berating them etc.... Really, it’s a tough job.
Are there some bad ones? Oh absolutely. Are there some whose ego is entirely too big? Absolutely. But again, who wants to add all the stress to their life when there’s plenty of other jobs paying $65 for 5 hours that are way less stressful.
Make it $100!
Agree and go back to two man crews
Go back to 2 man crews???? Really? Why do you think that would be better?
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:14 pm
by Pol pot
fox_40 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:46 am
I think the State has an easy fix for 80 percent of the problems that we face today in High School basketball.
1. If a fan gets removed by the Admin/Ref/Cops they should be given $100 fine. This would start showing people that they must be accountable for actions. This money could be used for Charity or go back to the schools for educational funding etc.....
Fans are much worse now!! We have reports of fans walking on the court, going after officials after games, waiting in parking lots.... Officials do it for the kids and love of the game. Its not the money or whatever anyone else thinks. It's because they love working with the kids and spending time and giving back.
Most Refs would agree you are gone about 4 hours per night including your drive time and game time. 70 for Var. game....10 for gas....so 60 bucks...So most are doing this for 15.00 per hour and getting treated like dogs.
It needs to change soon!
That is a legal issue, so if by State you mean the OHIO State Legislature, many would agree. Some local communities already have this as a local ordinance and there is a HUGE difference in how their fans act.
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:17 pm
by Pol pot
Seopnation wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:31 pm
I've always like it too when officials will discuss certain things with the coaches. And to that point, the coaches should be considerate enough to not publicly shame the official by screaming at them. The best crews i've seen are the ones that will come to a coach and explain a call (or non call), and even admit if they've missed one. Coaches know the officials are human but just having those simple conversations justifies it even more.
Officials will talk to coaches if coaches want to talk to them. If a coaches idea of communication or talking is by raising their voice, then like in any relationship, the conversation will be a short one.
People have always yelled at officials, probably always will, however, what is being yelled has become more personal, at time personally threatening and vulgar.
Re: Officiating in the Area
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:24 pm
by Ed Ott
Pol pot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:08 pm
Ed Ott wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:57 pm
bbjunky81 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:54 pm
My theory has always been the same —- raise the pay to $100 per official per game and see if that keeps good ones around.
Officials have to drive to the game (sometimes a substantial drive), spend 4-5 hours away from home, deal with fans yelling at them, deal with some coaches berating them etc.... Really, it’s a tough job.
Are there some bad ones? Oh absolutely. Are there some whose ego is entirely too big? Absolutely. But again, who wants to add all the stress to their life when there’s plenty of other jobs paying $65 for 5 hours that are way less stressful.
Make it $100!
Agree and go back to two man crews
Go back to 2 man crews???? Really? Why do you think that would be better?
Schools don’t have extra funds, refs don’t make enough, shortage of refs, fans will complain regardless. Honestly, I’ve never left a junior high game with two refs having wished there were a third ref. What year did they go to a 3 man crew?
