Re: 12/20/22 Minford @ SW
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:15 pm
When I got to the game tonight I had a feeling. I think it was pretty simple really. Minford is just tougher and had some dawg in them. SOC 2 race is over, now who wants 2nd?
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Makes sense now why he sat most of the second half.GoAt 10 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:31 pm Was very very sad to see the effort and attitude displayed by what SHOULD be the best player in SEO. However the 5’9 guard from Minford who focuses on team ball and works extremely hard is consuming that role in the area. SW needs a change at the top IMO, but I was very happy to see the coach bench the said player the final 10-12 minutes of the game. He didn’t deserve to be out there and the guys who played the final quarter should start the next game. They had the energy and effort it takes to win.
Jeeps still a district final team.
Minford on their way to a league championship and hopefully their first district win in over 25 years.
art_vandelay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:40 pmMakes sense now why he sat most of the second half.GoAt 10 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:31 pm Was very very sad to see the effort and attitude displayed by what SHOULD be the best player in SEO. However the 5’9 guard from Minford who focuses on team ball and works extremely hard is consuming that role in the area. SW needs a change at the top IMO, but I was very happy to see the coach bench the said player the final 10-12 minutes of the game. He didn’t deserve to be out there and the guys who played the final quarter should start the next game. They had the energy and effort it takes to win.
Jeeps still a district final team.
Minford on their way to a league championship and hopefully their first district win in over 25 years.
I was tuning in and out and missed a lot of game, so I didn’t see a lot of it. But I did watch Jeeps against Chesapeake on Saturday and was disappointed by the constant complaining to refs; jawing with other team; and even yapping at opposing fans I watched from a few of Webster’s players. They better clean that stuff up quick...no excuse for it.*
He's always had that attitude and lack of effort it's why he's not even close to being the best player in SEO. He's too busy standing outside, trying to wait and cherry pick, doesn't rebound and doesn't play defense against any other big. Best player in SEO that everyone should've known going into this season with T. Robertson graduating was Montgomery it's why I said at the beginning of the season SOC2 belonged to Minford for the next 3 years. The shocker for the night has to be Eastern topping ValleyGoAt 10 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:31 pm Was very very sad to see the effort and attitude displayed by what SHOULD be the best player in SEO. However the 5’9 guard from Minford who focuses on team ball and works extremely hard is consuming that role in the area. SW needs a change at the top IMO, but I was very happy to see the coach bench the said player the final 10-12 minutes of the game. He didn’t deserve to be out there and the guys who played the final quarter should start the next game. They had the energy and effort it takes to win.
Jeeps still a district final team.
Minford on their way to a league championship and hopefully their first district win in over 25 years.
Nice write-up before our game against SW spoke with a few different fans and they all basically felt this same way. It's a shame because like you said SW has the capability to be special over the next 3 years.jeep80 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:45 pm Eastern beating Valley isn’t a surprise. South Webster should have beat Vally. I watched that game. Nothing special about Valley. The players reflect the leadership. I don’t blame any player for their attitude or play. They play in games the way they are taught in practice. Bobby Knight once said what the kids get away with in games is what they are allowed to get away with in practice.
I have kept my mouth shut about what I think of the coaching, but no more. It is sub-par. There is a chance to do something special again with the freshmen and sophomores. But there has to be a change to get it done.
But, I am in no position to influence any change. I just hope the powers that be are willing to take a hard look and make a change for the future before it’s too late.
The Jeeps have some players!! They are strong and physical. But they have no identity. All great teams have an identity.
I've always thought this was a problem in our area, big kid can dominate in the post at the HS level, but realistically would be a wing at the next level. Tough to balance that win now vs development for the kids future.Jimmy Chitwood wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:42 am There is nothing wrong with Webster's rotation. JV and varsity ball are two entirely different worlds. Barnard is going to be a great player, but statistically, he's not going to give anymore than the guys playing in front of him on a nightly basis. I think he ended up with 6 points in the jv game last night? I don't know how 6 points in a jv game translates into instant production at the varsity level that some of you all are seeing. His time is definitely coming and he's going to be a good one for sure....Webster's main problem is that they have a 6'7" kid that they insist on playing as a guard and not on the block...Attitude issues aside, you put him down there, he could average 25 and 15 easily. Since the kid has been in Jr high, they let him float around the 3pt line for whatever reason. That has definitely created a monster that needs to be fixed asap...If they do, then they will be fine come tournament time...
Not going to disagree with you there. I'm not knocking Barnard, he's going to be really good, as I said earlier...Just saying, you can't compare jv and varsity basketball. I watched him several times over the summer when he played with the varsity. His production wasn't the same as what you're seeing now on Tuesday and Friday nights during jv games..The Ghost of Swanker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:24 am Barnard passes up A LOT of his shots to get the other kids there’s. He’s a pass first player but anyone who’s watches him for a few years knows he can get to the basket at will.
He’s far and away better than at least two of our guards. He scored 6 last night but he’s been averaging 15-18ppg without really trying
Roberts only had 7 last night.
I definitely think that's the issue with Roberts right now. I'm sure he plays on the perimeter on his travel team in the spring and summer, which is fine.. He will probably play a guard/small forward spot in college...However, when he's playing high school ball, he needs to play where it gives his team the best chance to win..Sonny Weaver wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:31 amI've always thought this was a problem in our area, big kid can dominate in the post at the HS level, but realistically would be a wing at the next level. Tough to balance that win now vs development for the kids future.Jimmy Chitwood wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:42 am There is nothing wrong with Webster's rotation. JV and varsity ball are two entirely different worlds. Barnard is going to be a great player, but statistically, he's not going to give anymore than the guys playing in front of him on a nightly basis. I think he ended up with 6 points in the jv game last night? I don't know how 6 points in a jv game translates into instant production at the varsity level that some of you all are seeing. His time is definitely coming and he's going to be a good one for sure....Webster's main problem is that they have a 6'7" kid that they insist on playing as a guard and not on the block...Attitude issues aside, you put him down there, he could average 25 and 15 easily. Since the kid has been in Jr high, they let him float around the 3pt line for whatever reason. That has definitely created a monster that needs to be fixed asap...If they do, then they will be fine come tournament time...
Burg has had some some bigs who played big at both the HS and college level -- Drew Burleson, Andy Stegman, Carson McCorckle. But has had this problem such as Roberts in the past also -- Tanner Holden, Drew Spradlin, Cam Miller all 6'6"+ and are wings at the college level. Put them in the paint in the SOC and our Region and they'd dominate, but they've gotta prepare for life after HS too. Cam at 6'8" was the only one who spent about equal time in the paint as the perimeter.Jimmy Chitwood wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:32 amI definitely think that's the issue with Roberts right now. I'm sure he plays on the perimeter on his travel team in the spring and summer, which is fine.. He will probably play a guard/small forward spot in college...However, when he's playing high school ball, he needs to play where it gives his team the best chance to win..Sonny Weaver wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:31 amI've always thought this was a problem in our area, big kid can dominate in the post at the HS level, but realistically would be a wing at the next level. Tough to balance that win now vs development for the kids future.Jimmy Chitwood wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:42 am There is nothing wrong with Webster's rotation. JV and varsity ball are two entirely different worlds. Barnard is going to be a great player, but statistically, he's not going to give anymore than the guys playing in front of him on a nightly basis. I think he ended up with 6 points in the jv game last night? I don't know how 6 points in a jv game translates into instant production at the varsity level that some of you all are seeing. His time is definitely coming and he's going to be a good one for sure....Webster's main problem is that they have a 6'7" kid that they insist on playing as a guard and not on the block...Attitude issues aside, you put him down there, he could average 25 and 15 easily. Since the kid has been in Jr high, they let him float around the 3pt line for whatever reason. That has definitely created a monster that needs to be fixed asap...If they do, then they will be fine come tournament time...