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biggdowgg wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:19 pm I'm not going to point fingers at the kids or the coaches,all I do know is this program was at it's lowest before Collins took over and he turned it around pretty quick,he is closing in on being the winningest coach at PHS .

As far as fundamentals , anyone that follows Trojan basketball consistently "and that's not many" knows that Collins puts a lot of time in for the kids,there's probably not another coach around that puts the time in the does,like Trojan Dave said the Gym is always open to the kids , Collins also has the kids playing every game allow in the summer,along with scrimmages ,on top of that he runs a program in the off season called ,the club with his staff and brings in other coaches and different people to teach different skills,he has acquired thousands of dollars worth of equipment to learn and development skills and help kids with every aspect of the game,and it's open to all kids ,girls ,boys all ages and any kid from any school is welcome.

Like I said I'm not pointing fingers and I'm not sure it's time to panic about this season yet lol , still a lot of basketball to play,but one thing I do know it's not for the lack of effort to try to develop these kids....like I said all ages are welcome to join the club and work and learn.

Rza1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 3:38 am No disrespect to coach Collins or the Trojan faithful.. but things run their course. I'm a huge believer that a program has to be on the same page from the bottom to the top.. youth coaches have to teach way more skills (jump stops, retreat dribble,shooting/passing technique, pivot footwork) and a lot of times someone needs to show the coaches what they need to be showing the kids. An some pointers or advice on whats the best way to teach it.. have a little clinic. Make sure everyone is pointed the right direction. I also get that there's a ton distracting em nowadays..an they don't play any pickup ball.. an blah blah. But I also know that numbers tend to stay up in a youth program where the kids are bein taught right an they're having some success as opposed to one where fundamentals an details aren't the focus..an the teams venture out in Allstars an take beatdowns.. culture culture culture.... an it has to start at the top.

biggdowgg wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:06 pm

Rza1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 3:38 am No disrespect to coach Collins or the Trojan faithful.. but things run their course. I'm a huge believer that a program has to be on the same page from the bottom to the top.. youth coaches have to teach way more skills (jump stops, retreat dribble,shooting/passing technique, pivot footwork) and a lot of times someone needs to show the coaches what they need to be showing the kids. An some pointers or advice on whats the best way to teach it.. have a little clinic. Make sure everyone is pointed the right direction. I also get that there's a ton distracting em nowadays..an they don't play any pickup ball.. an blah blah. But I also know that numbers tend to stay up in a youth program where the kids are bein taught right an they're having some success as opposed to one where fundamentals an details aren't the focus..an the teams venture out in Allstars an take beatdowns.. culture culture culture.... an it has to start at the top.

I don't feel like you are being disrespectful at all, everyone has their opinions,and I agree with your post.

yabbadabbadoo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:15 pm Anyone have a Burg-Portsmouth score??

trojandave wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:46 pm Some good points made by all.......biggdowgg and I have been in person witnesses to the "Club" during the summer. We have watched individual instruction on fundamentals by the coaching staff. Not a one man operation for sure. The sad part is that basically the same 7-10 kids show up. The ones who really need instruction are no-shows. Coach Collins can't control that.

Biggdowgg and I support Coach Collins, but we don't agree with everything he does. We don't necessarily agree with starting lineups from time to time, what defense the Trojans are in, or a particular substitution pattern during a game. But we support the WHOLE of what he has done.....he took us from 7 straight losing seasons to back to back Final 4's in 2011 and 2012, a regional final in 2015, an OVC and SEOAL title, in addition to 7 winning seasons. Even without a winning season since 2018, Coach is still averaging about 14 wins a year. (195-120)

I go back to my original point about kids loving the game.......in his 14 years at PHS, Coach Collins has had 5 players who have scored at least 1,000 points for their careers......Dion McKinley (2012), Wayne Evans(2012), Kyre Allison(2016), Kendal Reynolds(2017) and Matthew Fraulini(2020). There's no way these 5 would have those outstanding careers without a love of the game. I remember seeing all of them working out by themselves, and they are in the same era as the cell phone and video game generation. Jayllen Carter didn't score 1,000 points, but he did score 44 in a game vs. Jackson in 2013 which stood as the individual school record until Matthew Fraulini broke it with 46 vs. Rock Hill. Jayllen had a love of the game where he became a star player in the 2012 and 2013 seasons after not being prominent at the JV level. He and Wayne Evans teamed for 45 points in the 2012 semifinal vs. Ottawa-Glandorf. DJ Eley, Alex Dickerson, Sky Oliver, Zaide Noel, Isaiah Lisath, Mike Malone, Dariyonne Bryant, Reese Johnson, and Ethan Leonard, just to name a few whom I witnessed first hand on many of these players' work ethic. Were they products of biddy ball or just players who loved the game? I think the latter is the answer.

One last point about Coach Collins........how many know that he has raised over $100,000 dollars to take the Trojans to Florida 4 times in the KSA tournament? That in itself took an incredible amount of work to do that.

I guess the saving grace about varsity basketball is that a coach can pick his team from 4 classes.....FR through SR. Hopefully that will result in the Trojans putting a competitive team on the court in the next few years.

fielddaddy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 5:57 pm

biggdowgg wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:06 pm

Rza1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 3:38 am No disrespect to coach Collins or the Trojan faithful.. but things run their course. I'm a huge believer that a program has to be on the same page from the bottom to the top.. youth coaches have to teach way more skills (jump stops, retreat dribble,shooting/passing technique, pivot footwork) and a lot of times someone needs to show the coaches what they need to be showing the kids. An some pointers or advice on whats the best way to teach it.. have a little clinic. Make sure everyone is pointed the right direction. I also get that there's a ton distracting em nowadays..an they don't play any pickup ball.. an blah blah. But I also know that numbers tend to stay up in a youth program where the kids are bein taught right an they're having some success as opposed to one where fundamentals an details aren't the focus..an the teams venture out in Allstars an take beatdowns.. culture culture culture.... an it has to start at the top.

I don't feel like you are being disrespectful at all, everyone has their opinions,and I agree with your post.

It’s not college ball where you pick your players it’s HighSchool where you play with what you have.
The coaching staff has done great with what they had to work with IMO
I would love to see Ironton go 20-0 or 18-2 every year but it won’t happen because they have to coach the players they have and win and lose with what they have.
Just like Portsmouth does.
But I respect what Portsmouth does and I wish them the best till they play Ironton
Good luck Trojans

biggdowgg wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:48 am