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Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:37 am
by SEOsportchamp23
Any thoughts on this?
I know Southern took the first matchup 55-46
But I think Waterford is a different team this time around.
Chandler and Brinegar are playing really good basketball.
And southern is a tough environment to play at.
The Waterford interior is strong and athletic. If they play smart- it could be a real battle. Heiner, Fairchild and Roberts are a strong trio.
Would love to hear some views from both sides.

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 11:30 am
by meatswinger
SEOsportchamp23 wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:37 am Any thoughts on this?
I know Southern took the first matchup 55-46
But I think Waterford is a different team this time around.
Chandler and Brinegar are playing really good basketball.
And southern is a tough environment to play at.
The Waterford interior is strong and athletic. If they play smart- it could be a real battle. Heiner, Fairchild and Roberts are a strong trio.
Would love to hear some views from both sides.
Come on man. It’s at Southern. Nothing else matters. If those interior players you mentioned or any others are hurting Southern, they’ll soon find themselves sitting in foul trouble. LOL

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 12:46 pm
by SEOsportchamp23
meatswinger wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 11:30 am
SEOsportchamp23 wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:37 am Any thoughts on this?
I know Southern took the first matchup 55-46
But I think Waterford is a different team this time around.
Chandler and Brinegar are playing really good basketball.
And southern is a tough environment to play at.
The Waterford interior is strong and athletic. If they play smart- it could be a real battle. Heiner, Fairchild and Roberts are a strong trio.
Would love to hear some views from both sides.
Come on man. It’s at Southern. Nothing else matters. If those interior players you mentioned or any others are hurting Southern, they’ll soon find themselves sitting in foul trouble. LOL
Well, that wasn't the response I was looking for.

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 1:04 pm
by riddlemejohnny
SEOsportchamp23 wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 12:46 pm
meatswinger wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 11:30 am
SEOsportchamp23 wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:37 am Any thoughts on this?
I know Southern took the first matchup 55-46
But I think Waterford is a different team this time around.
Chandler and Brinegar are playing really good basketball.
And southern is a tough environment to play at.
The Waterford interior is strong and athletic. If they play smart- it could be a real battle. Heiner, Fairchild and Roberts are a strong trio.
Would love to hear some views from both sides.
Come on man. It’s at Southern. Nothing else matters. If those interior players you mentioned or any others are hurting Southern, they’ll soon find themselves sitting in foul trouble. LOL
Well, that wasn't the response I was looking for.
Hopefully there is a great set of Ref's slated for tonight's game because the matchup deserves it in my opinion. Hopefully the game is decided on the floor by the players and not the Ref's. Hopefully both teams are healthy, and it's the barn burner of a game that everyone expects it to be. Waterford holds a sharp edge on the interior. Southern's guard game is probably a little stronger. I would say the atmosphere will be lively, just seen where admission is free for everyone tonight. I know it sounds cliche to say but I really think it comes down to who takes care of the ball better and who stays out of foul trouble. 2 very good ball clubs that have played tough schedules, Waterford probably takes a little bit of an edge on strength of schedule looking down through them both. Regardless, schedules don't matter tonight! Lace them up and see what each team brings!

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 1:12 pm
by SEOsportchamp23
riddlemejohnny wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 1:04 pm
SEOsportchamp23 wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 12:46 pm
meatswinger wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 11:30 am

Come on man. It’s at Southern. Nothing else matters. If those interior players you mentioned or any others are hurting Southern, they’ll soon find themselves sitting in foul trouble. LOL
Well, that wasn't the response I was looking for.
Hopefully there is a great set of Ref's slated for tonight's game because the matchup deserves it in my opinion. Hopefully the game is decided on the floor by the players and not the Ref's. Hopefully both teams are healthy, and it's the barn burner of a game that everyone expects it to be. Waterford holds a sharp edge on the interior. Southern's guard game is probably a little stronger. I would say the atmosphere will be lively, just seen where admission is free for everyone tonight. I know it sounds cliche to say but I really think it comes down to who takes care of the ball better and who stays out of foul trouble. 2 very good ball clubs that have played tough schedules, Waterford probably takes a little bit of an edge on strength of schedule looking down through them both. Regardless, schedules don't matter tonight! Lace them up and see what each team brings!
I agree with this 100%. Did not realize the game was free admission. It will be a packed house. Wow- that's awesome. And that kind of atmosphere makes for a good game. Southern's guard game is really good. But Interior- Waterford has a little edge but I think it will come down to how both teams handle the night. Fouls and physicality will definitely be a role player. If the refs are like the FF/Waterford game- they set the tone early. But either way- I hope for a good battle in Racine. Good luck to both teams. Hoping to make it to the game.

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 1:53 pm
by Super trooper
The same person assigns the refs at Southern and Waterford

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 1:56 pm
by meatswinger
^^^ Both correct, fouls will be key. I’m guessing especially so for Waterford.

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 1:59 pm
by meatswinger
Super trooper wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 1:53 pm The same person assigns the refs at Southern and Waterford
Each school provides that person with the refs they prefer, want, and don’t want. LOL

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 3:40 pm
by DUNK1
Won’t matter who refs the game. Howie got the best player in the league to come back to Racine this season and he also has unbeatable game plan ready for tonight.

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 3:55 pm
by dboy
If the refs are not seeing both schools for the first time this year then the school and the assigner failed. Unfortunately, i believe Southern has had a couple of refs on multiple games for them this year so we will see. With that being said, I would still pick Southern right now on a neutral floor with neutral refs. Waterford is too unpredictable at this point but that also makes them pretty dangerous. Hope it is a good game regardless and the officials aren't a story tomorrow.

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 4:03 pm
by DUNK1
dboy wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 3:55 pm If the refs are not seeing both schools for the first time this year then the school and the assigner failed. Unfortunately, i believe Southern has had a couple of refs on multiple games for them this year so we will see. With that being said, I would still pick Southern right now on a neutral floor with neutral refs. Waterford is too unpredictable at this point but that also makes them pretty dangerous. Hope it is a good game regardless and the officials aren't a story tomorrow.
It’s going to be coaching that wins it not the refs. Howie has them out coached already. If Jeff will just stick to the plan Howie laid out it’ll be an easy win.

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 5:14 pm
by Diamond*D1*
dboy wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 3:55 pm If the refs are not seeing both schools for the first time this year then the school and the assigner failed. Unfortunately, i believe Southern has had a couple of refs on multiple games for them this year so we will see. With that being said, I would still pick Southern right now on a neutral floor with neutral refs. Waterford is too unpredictable at this point but that also makes them pretty dangerous. Hope it is a good game regardless and the officials aren't a story tomorrow.
You’re joking, right? A big game at Southern and you think there’s a chance that the refs won’t be Racine regulars? Funny :lol:

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:24 pm
by SEOsportchamp23
Final
Waterford 47
Southern 52

Refs were awful both ways so that’s not even a factor.

It felt like one of those games where Waterford had the chance but didn’t quite have the rhythm or discipline they showed against River Valley and FF.

The offense definitely got stagnant and one-sided at times. When your PG is getting double teamed and there are wide-open lanes, the ball has to move. Southern basically dared Waterford to make the extra pass, and too often it didn’t happen and the turnovers were forced by bad decision making. Those are back-breakers in a close game like that.

Southern deserves a lot of credit though. They were just more balanced. Brinegar was tough — he doesn’t waste motion and finishes through contact. The matchup with Heiner was fun basketball to watch. skill vs. intensity. Heiner’s motor and physicality are already there, and if his offensive game keeps growing, that matchup next year could be must-see. I think they are both juniors.

Chandler stood out to me too for all the “quiet” reasons. Those guards don’t always pop in the box score, but he controlled tempo and consistently made the right read — which is exactly why Southern’s offense looked steadier when things got tight.

Lang getting pushed inside instead of living on the perimeter definitely made a difference. He did have some good passes tonight to draw the defense away from him and he would get the ball back and make the shot. Those give-and-go actions were some of Waterford’s cleanest looks, and his ability to advance the ball quickly really did force Southern to scramble and switch.

Fairchild and Roberts underneath were workhorses. Roberts especially is such an interesting player to watch: strong, smooth, and still scratching the surface. Waterford needs more intentional touches for him and Fairchild inside - that could pay dividends.

Bottom line: Waterford didn’t play their best, but they weren’t outclassed. Southern was just more composed and more efficient in the moments that mattered. If Waterford cleans up the decision-making and keeps building on what we saw the last couple weeks, they’re absolutely trending the right way.

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:33 pm
by SEOsportchamp23
DUNK1 wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 3:40 pm Won’t matter who refs the game. Howie got the best player in the league to come back to Racine this season and he also has unbeatable game plan ready for tonight.
He left meigs because he wasn’t happy with what was going on. Daddy ball at its finest for the marauders. Brinegar is one of the best players in the TVC (both divisions) but I think he made the right choice going back to his home school. Sometimes you live and learn. The grass isn’t always greener in those situations. Hopefully he gets the looks he wants and goes on to the next level but kudos to the southern players for welcoming him back. Sometimes that can be tough.

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:39 pm
by SEOsportchamp23
DUNK1 wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 4:03 pm
dboy wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 3:55 pm If the refs are not seeing both schools for the first time this year then the school and the assigner failed. Unfortunately, i believe Southern has had a couple of refs on multiple games for them this year so we will see. With that being said, I would still pick Southern right now on a neutral floor with neutral refs. Waterford is too unpredictable at this point but that also makes them pretty dangerous. Hope it is a good game regardless and the officials aren't a story tomorrow.
It’s going to be coaching that wins it not the refs. Howie has them out coached already. If Jeff will just stick to the plan Howie laid out it’ll be an easy win.
You must really love Howie but I am going to credit their ACTUAL coach. Coach JEFF Caldwell deserves the credit. Leave Howie out of it. If he’s helping - great- but he isn’t the reason for their success. He gets to watch his grandkids and his son be successful.

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 10:44 pm
by riddlemejohnny
SEOsportchamp23 wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:24 pm Final
Waterford 47
Southern 52

Refs were awful both ways so that’s not even a factor.

It felt like one of those games where Waterford had the chance but didn’t quite have the rhythm or discipline they showed against River Valley and FF.

The offense definitely got stagnant and one-sided at times. When your PG is getting double teamed and there are wide-open lanes, the ball has to move. Southern basically dared Waterford to make the extra pass, and too often it didn’t happen and the turnovers were forced by bad decision making. Those are back-breakers in a close game like that.

Southern deserves a lot of credit though. They were just more balanced. Brinegar was tough — he doesn’t waste motion and finishes through contact. The matchup with Heiner was fun basketball to watch. skill vs. intensity. Heiner’s motor and physicality are already there, and if his offensive game keeps growing, that matchup next year could be must-see. I think they are both juniors.

Chandler stood out to me too for all the “quiet” reasons. Those guards don’t always pop in the box score, but he controlled tempo and consistently made the right read — which is exactly why Southern’s offense looked steadier when things got tight.

Lang getting pushed inside instead of living on the perimeter definitely made a difference. He did have some good passes tonight to draw the defense away from him and he would get the ball back and make the shot. Those give-and-go actions were some of Waterford’s cleanest looks, and his ability to advance the ball quickly really did force Southern to scramble and switch.

Fairchild and Roberts underneath were workhorses. Roberts especially is such an interesting player to watch: strong, smooth, and still scratching the surface. Waterford needs more intentional touches for him and Fairchild inside - that could pay dividends.

Bottom line: Waterford didn’t play their best, but they weren’t outclassed. Southern was just more composed and more efficient in the moments that mattered. If Waterford cleans up the decision-making and keeps building on what we saw the last couple weeks, they’re absolutely trending the right way.

Well said. The game deserved more than what the 3 clowns in stripes offered. I have seen that same crew a few times over the past couple years and have yet to see them ref anything close to a good game. Reffing is in a very poor state imo.

Waterford with some early foul trouble really changed things up for them in quarters 1-3. Their rebounding wasn’t great either, probably the worst I have seen from them in the last 5 games and maybe even further back. I did gather from some parents tonight that they have been battling some illness this week and only had 1 full practice between sickness and snow/ice Wednesday night. Not making excuses but maybe some of why they seemed a little off at times tonight. Southern is a tough team and a tough place to play. Still a good game both ways for the most part.

In total agreement that the bigs have to get more inside touches, the coaches are going to have to start forcing that hand a little more. The 3 bigs don’t fight for position enough. Defensively I thought Lang killed them but I know he was one of the sick ones this week.

Time to get back work! Waterford has a tough couple of weeks coming up!

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 7:36 am
by meatswinger
riddlemejohnny wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 10:44 pm
SEOsportchamp23 wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:24 pm Final
Waterford 47
Southern 52

Refs were awful both ways so that’s not even a factor.

It felt like one of those games where Waterford had the chance but didn’t quite have the rhythm or discipline they showed against River Valley and FF.

The offense definitely got stagnant and one-sided at times. When your PG is getting double teamed and there are wide-open lanes, the ball has to move. Southern basically dared Waterford to make the extra pass, and too often it didn’t happen and the turnovers were forced by bad decision making. Those are back-breakers in a close game like that.

Southern deserves a lot of credit though. They were just more balanced. Brinegar was tough — he doesn’t waste motion and finishes through contact. The matchup with Heiner was fun basketball to watch. skill vs. intensity. Heiner’s motor and physicality are already there, and if his offensive game keeps growing, that matchup next year could be must-see. I think they are both juniors.

Chandler stood out to me too for all the “quiet” reasons. Those guards don’t always pop in the box score, but he controlled tempo and consistently made the right read — which is exactly why Southern’s offense looked steadier when things got tight.

Lang getting pushed inside instead of living on the perimeter definitely made a difference. He did have some good passes tonight to draw the defense away from him and he would get the ball back and make the shot. Those give-and-go actions were some of Waterford’s cleanest looks, and his ability to advance the ball quickly really did force Southern to scramble and switch.

Fairchild and Roberts underneath were workhorses. Roberts especially is such an interesting player to watch: strong, smooth, and still scratching the surface. Waterford needs more intentional touches for him and Fairchild inside - that could pay dividends.

Bottom line: Waterford didn’t play their best, but they weren’t outclassed. Southern was just more composed and more efficient in the moments that mattered. If Waterford cleans up the decision-making and keeps building on what we saw the last couple weeks, they’re absolutely trending the right way.

Well said. The game deserved more than what the 3 clowns in stripes offered. I have seen that same crew a few times over the past couple years and have yet to see them ref anything close to a good game. Reffing is in a very poor state imo.

Waterford with some early foul trouble really changed things up for them in quarters 1-3. Their rebounding wasn’t great either, probably the worst I have seen from them in the last 5 games and maybe even further back. I did gather from some parents tonight that they have been battling some illness this week and only had 1 full practice between sickness and snow/ice Wednesday night. Not making excuses but maybe some of why they seemed a little off at times tonight. Southern is a tough team and a tough place to play. Still a good game both ways for the most part.

In total agreement that the bigs have to get more inside touches, the coaches are going to have to start forcing that hand a little more. The 3 bigs don’t fight for position enough. Defensively I thought Lang killed them but I know he was one of the sick ones this week.

Time to get back work! Waterford has a tough couple of weeks coming up!
You said it, “Waterford with some early foul trouble…” Go back and check and you’ll see that’s exactly what I predicted would happen LOL. Seems to happen in pretty much every big game at Southern. They have a way to get the opponents best players on the bench. 3

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 7:38 am
by meatswinger
meatswinger wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 11:30 am
SEOsportchamp23 wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:37 am Any thoughts on this?
I know Southern took the first matchup 55-46
But I think Waterford is a different team this time around.
Chandler and Brinegar are playing really good basketball.
And southern is a tough environment to play at.
The Waterford interior is strong and athletic. If they play smart- it could be a real battle. Heiner, Fairchild and Roberts are a strong trio.
Would love to hear some views from both sides.
Come on man. It’s at Southern. Nothing else matters. If those interior players you mentioned or any others are hurting Southern, they’ll soon find themselves sitting in foul trouble. LOL
As I predicted LOL

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 8:08 am
by Honey Caadwell
My man recruited the best player on the floor and built the teams best game plan of the season. He gonna get a nice reward from me.

Re: Waterford @ Southern

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 8:33 am
by Farmer Yoder
riddlemejohnny wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 1:04 pm
SEOsportchamp23 wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 12:46 pm
meatswinger wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2026 11:30 am

Come on man. It’s at Southern. Nothing else matters. If those interior players you mentioned or any others are hurting Southern, they’ll soon find themselves sitting in foul trouble. LOL
Well, that wasn't the response I was looking for.
Hopefully there is a great set of Ref's slated for tonight's game because the matchup deserves it in my opinion. Hopefully the game is decided on the floor by the players and not the Ref's. Hopefully both teams are healthy, and it's the barn burner of a game that everyone expects it to be. Waterford holds a sharp edge on the interior. Southern's guard game is probably a little stronger. I would say the atmosphere will be lively, just seen where admission is free for everyone tonight. I know it sounds cliche to say but I really think it comes down to who takes care of the ball better and who stays out of foul trouble. 2 very good ball clubs that have played tough schedules, Waterford probably takes a little bit of an edge on strength of schedule looking down through them both. Regardless, schedules don't matter tonight! Lace them up and see what each team brings!
I am a little too old and fat to call games every week anymore. The TVC was gracious enough to hire me as league assigner. With no money involved I am as good as they come. That being said last night both booster groups tried to grease my palms. I always watch games through a live feed on hudl and then make calls through an earpiece I give to my refs. The only fair thing since both teams ponies up was for my crew to be terrible both ways. Southern gets the win cuz they greased me a little better than wolf creek did. That is the best possible analysis of this game. It wasn’t cuz Howie can Reed, it wasn’t Jeff listening, it wasn’t about waterfords talent. It was all about me!