D1-D7 Upsets…..maybe it’s not so bad after all.

[coop]

So I have seen a lot of talk about “anyone outside the top 8 being a waste of time, and how none of these games will be close”, and while most of the big dogs held serve. I think that some of these teams are better than records indicate. Anyways it’s an argument that will Always be there, so decided to research all the upsets across the board.

There were 224 Higher seeds in playoff games last night across 28 regions, and if those teams 43 of them lost for around a 20% clip. Personally I think that’s well worth the format. 44 teams who would have been told to stay home are playing next week. Scores below:


D1 R2
#11 Marysville 28
#6 Dublin Coffman 24

D1 R3
#11 Hilliard Davidson 17
#6 Grove City 7

#10 Westerville Central 27
#7 Hilliard Darby 21

#9 Hilliard Bradley 42
#8 Thomas Worthington 14

D1 R4
#9 St Xavier 42
#8 Fairfield 28

D2 R6
#9 North Royalton 42
#8 Fremont Ross 41

D2 R7
#9 Canal Winchester 23
#8 Independence 6

D2 R8

#15 Little Miami 27
#2 Xenia 24

#10 Anderson 44
#7 Troy 7

#9 Hamilton Ross 41
#8 Cincy Northwest 7

D3 R9
#13 Kenston 40
#4 University School 33

#10 Aurora 27
#7 Cuyahoga Valley 24

#9 Geneva 49
#8 Gilmour Academy 48

D3R10
#13 Defiance 63
#4 Cloverleaf 28

#10 Padua 35
#7 Buckeye 7

D3 R11
#9 Washington CH 61
#8 Columbus South 58

D3 R12
#11 Trotwood Madison 40
#6 Chaminade Julienne 33

#10 Monroe 52
#7 Hughes 15

#9 New Richmond 29
#8 Tecumseh 28


D4 R13
#13 Buchtel 24
#4 Woodrige 21

D4 R15
#11 Cambridge 31
#6 Logan Elm 13

#10 Bishop Hartley 48
#7 New Lexington 13

D4 R16
#14 Eaton 31
#3 Bishop Fenwick 28

#13 Clinton Massie 38
#4 Unioto 0

#10 Archbishop Alter 21
#7 Reading 14

D5 R17
#13 Cardinal Mooney 45
#4 Edison 14

D5 R17
#10 Ridgewood 21
#7 Berkshire 0

D5 R18
#10 Tinora 37
#7 Highland 6

D5 R18
#9 Liberty Benton 63
#8 Archbold 35

D5 R19
#13 Columbus Academy 36
#4 Centerburg 14

#10 West Muskingum 22
#7 Fairland 21

#9 Portsmouth 26
#8 Union Local 22

D5 R20
#10 Preble Shawnee 33
#7 Greenview 28

#9 Blanchester 60
#8 Summit Coutry day 28

D6 R21
#10 United 62
#7 Rootstown 49

D6 R22
#10 Patrick Henry 18
#7 Ottawa Hills 10

D6 R23
#13 West Jefferson 49
#4 Newcomerstown 14

D6 R24
#12 Twin Valley South 70
#5 Williamsburg 38

D7 R25
#10 Lucas 36
#7 Toronto 25

D7 R26
#12 St Johns 55
#5 Arlington 24

#10 Jefferson 31
#7 Ayersville 26

#9 Pandora-Gilboa 42
#8 Upper Scioto Valley 8

D7 R27
#10 Fairfield Christian 42
#7 Bridgeport 24

#9 Notre Dame 45
#8 Green 36

[mattash]

I agree, keep it. Its just more football! The running clock should help with injury's

[Burg_Grad_77]

Piketon lost to Barnesville 21-14.

[coop]

Piketon lost to Barnesville 21-14.

Fixed I meant fairland lol

[Beergogglebluez]

#9 Portsmouth beat number 8 union local. The 9 seed beat the 8 a lot last night.

[SciotoCfootball]

These numbers show that the format isn't a waste of time, at least 43 teams proved the haters wrong. If someone thinks avoiding blowouts for a week is more important than giving teams like these a shot, then you are no true sports fan in my eyes.

[coop]

Make that 44 teams…missed Portsmouth

[fortdawg]

These numbers show that the format isn't a waste of time, at least 43 teams proved the haters wrong. If someone thinks avoiding blowouts for a week is more important than giving teams like these a shot, then you are no true sports fan in my eyes.

Amen. I agree with your take.

[SciotoCfootball]

2 seed took a loss, 3 seed took a loss, and quite a few 4 seeds took a loss.

[91raider97bobcat]

Based on that, I would say the original proposal of 12 teams in would be the right idea. A total of 9 teams that were 13-16 seeds won. Now some of those games were close, or maybe even closer than the final indicated. But without really digging into it, I have no idea how many of those 9 might be able to win a second game.

[SciotoCfootball]

7 and 8 seeds with losing records is an interesting stat when it comes to the debate on expanded playoffs.

[smurray]

Upsets will happen in every sport at every level. 16 teams in each region is way too many for High School football. It's watered down and has teams playing 15-16 games to make it to the final 4 and championship game. No bye week for teenagers playing that many games yet college and pro have bye weeks playing less games. Why don't more pro teams make the playoffs? Why don't more college teams make the playoffs (yes they are expanding but it won't be near that much in comparison).

For the Massie's of the world who at the 13 seed destroyed Unioto at the 4 seed. Those are going to happen - we all knew Massie would probably win, but those situations are going to happen in an imperfect playoff formula. 12 teams per region is plenty while 8 is about right. According to those figures from the first round the top 6 is about right. It drops off significantly after the top 6.
No one was really crying about being number 9 or 10 and not making it pre-covid. Everyone knew top 8 was about right (not perfect) but then COVID created a situation where ALL teams made the playoffs because of the "shortened" regular season in 2020 (LESS GAMES). That opened the door for the OHSAA to expand - Of course 12 teams were suggested but the OHSAA expanded upon that to 16.

According to this thread, it proves to me 8 is about where it needs to be (possibly 6).. season needs to start last weekend of August and end before December.

[Vegeta]

I liked when the OHSAA expanded to 7 divisions. I felt like it created more balance and parity between the big schools and the small schools. However, expanding to 16 teams per region was a bad move. Sure, there are going to be a few upsets here and there. It happens at all levels in all sports. 8 teams per region is the sweet spot in my opinion. 16 teams create way too many blowouts, injuries, and running clocks. The season is already very long and grueling without the extra week. These are high school kids. They are not young men in college or grown men in the NFL. Not to mention it makes the regular season more exciting when making the playoffs is basically not guaranteed.

[smurray]

I liked when the OHSAA expanded to 7 divisions. I felt like it created more balance and parity between the big schools and the small schools. However, expanding to 16 teams per region was a bad move. Sure, there are going to be a few upsets here and there. It happens at all levels in all sports. 8 teams per region is the sweet spot in my opinion. 16 teams create way too many blowouts, injuries, and running clocks. The season is already very long and grueling without the extra week. These are high school kids. They are not young men in college or grown men in the NFL. Not to mention it makes the regular season more exciting when making the playoffs is basically not guaranteed.

Echoing what I said, couldn’t agree more….

[coop]

12 teams is where it should be, def not 6 or 8

[SciotoCfootball]

You guys mention college and professional playoffs, and I honestly don't know why.. This is HS, these are kids, there's more to life than just winning (don't take that comment so serious) I feel like you are viewing it soley from a competitive standpoint, and pushing for quality games and trust me I get that. At the same time, giving some of these teams a shot means the world to some of these kids and their parents, it's another chance to play the game. End of the day the expanded playoff debate is similar to people who are against participation trophys, and stuff of that nature. Some people will always want sports to be as competitive as possible, while some focus more on the other aspects sports have to offer. I find myself somewhere in the middle.

[Bozo]

It should be 8 or 12. If you are not at least .500, you don't get in.

[mattash]

If you do 12 then top 4 are missing out on concession and parking money. I think most voted 16 over 12

[TigerBob]

Is the OHSAA paying schools back who make trips? Have to imagine Rock Hill’s trip north wasn’t cheap.

[smurray]

You guys mention college and professional playoffs, and I honestly don't know why.. This is HS, these are kids, there's more to life than just winning (don't take that comment so serious) I feel like you are viewing it soley from a competitive standpoint, and pushing for quality games and trust me I get that. At the same time, giving some of these teams a shot means the world to some of these kids and their parents, it's another chance to play the game. End of the day the expanded playoff debate is similar to people who are against participation trophys, and stuff of that nature. Some people will always want sports to be as competitive as possible, while some focus more on the other aspects sports have to offer. I find myself somewhere in the middle.

You missed the point totally when I referenced college and pro. College doesn't play that many games, and they all have a bye week. HS kids 14-18 years old playing 10 weeks straight (college would have a bye before that) and then another 5-6 weeks if you make the final 4 and championship game. 15 to 16 weeks straight... lengthened season beginning middle of August now and going into December - and less time to acclimate in pads before the first game. There has been no consideration for the health of the student athlete - many players in this area playing both ways (offense/defense and special teams).